Talk:Vangelis

Duplicate discography

I've moved the duplicate discography here for review. JFW | T@lk 13:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

This below is chronology of all Albums by Vangelis, Jon and Vangelis, Demis Roussos and Vangelis, Irene Papas and Vangelis (it does not include some best of, compilations) neither does it include Aphrodites Child albums and early recordings with Formynx.

• 01 (1970) Sex Power (Soundtrack)

• 02 (1971) The Dragon (recorded in 1971-Released in 1978) Released by Charly Recods Not authorized by Vangelis

• 03 (1972) Fais Que Ton Rêve Soit Plus Long Que la Nuit

• 04 (1973) L'Apocalypse des Animaux (Soundtrack)

• 05 (1973) Earth

• 06 (1975) Ignacio – Do You Hear the Dogs Barking

• 07 (1975) Heaven and Hell

• 08 (1976) Fête Sauvage (Soundtrack)

• 09 (1976) Albedo 0.39

• 10 (1977) Spiral

• 11 (1977) Ignacio

• 12 (1978) Hypothesis Not authorized by Vangelis

• 13 (1978) Beaubourg

• 14 (1979) China

• 15 (1979) Opera Sauvage (Soundtrack)

• 16 (1979) Odes – Irene Papas and Vangelis

• 17 (1980) See You Later

• 18 (1981) Chariots of Fire (Soundtrack)

• 19 (1981) The Friends of Mr Cairo – Jon and Vangelis

• 20 (1982) Blade Runner (Soundtrack)

• 21 (1982) Missing (Soundtrack)

• 22 (1983) Antarctica (Soundtrack) JAPAN IMPORT (1988 : THE NETHERLANDS)

• 23 (1983) PRIVATE COLLECTION – Jon and Vangelis

• 24 (1984) Soil Festivities

• 25 (1984) Best of Jon and Vangelis

• 26 (1984) The Bounty (Soundtrack)

• 27 (1985) Mask

• 28 (1985) Invisible Connections

• 29 (1988) Direct

• 30 (1990) The City

• 31 (1991) Reprises – Best of (1990-1999)

• 32 (1992) 1492: Conquest of Paradise (Soundtrack)

• 33 (1995) Voices

• 34 (1995) ATTITUDES – Demis Roussos and Vangelis

• 35 (1996) Oceanic

• 36 (1996) Jon and Vangelis Another Page of Life

• 37 (1996) Portraits – (Vangelis, Jon & Vangelis – Best Of)

• 38 (1998) El Greco

• 39 (1999) Reprises 1990 – 1999 (Best off)

• 40 (2001) Mythodea for NASA Mission: 2001 Mars Odyssey

• 41 (2004) Alexander (Soundtrack)

• 42 (2007) El Greco: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

• 43 (2007) Blade Runner Trilogy: 25th Anniversary (Soundtrack)

• 44 (2012) Chariots of Fire – The Play from The Stage Show)

• 45 (2012) Trashed (Soundtrack) Not released on CD by Vangelis

Transcription of pronunciation

The Greek pronunciation of Βαγγέλης is transcribed using [ɲ]. Surely this should be [ŋ]? This page shows that <γγ> is pronounced [ŋɟ]. — 91.238.123.116 (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Aristotelis Koundouroff

In the article lead is mentioned that Vangelis "having taken piano lessons from renowned Greek composer Aristotelis Koundouroff". Is there a reliable source(s) to confirm he taken lessons from Koundouroff? The information was removed from the lead until reliable source is found.--Crovata (talk) 12:58, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Solo career breakthrough

This section needs work, I don't have time at the moment to do it but the English is written quite poorly.Dobyblue (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Lessons

Actually he didn't take piano lessons and went to a music school. His parents tried to enroll him but he refused. Sources: [1] [2]. a quote provided by the telegraph confirms this info: "I was lucky not to go because music schools close doors rather than open them". too bad those claims will not fixed since no major editors are working in this article as we can see by clicking the page's history. but i have faith that one of our recent editors, @SMcCandlish:, who fixed the transliteration, will take the lead. Hakken (talk) 13:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Hakken: Just do it. You already have the sources! :-) Your first sentence is confusing though; I think it means "he didn't take piano lesson or go to a music school", but implies "he didn't take private piano lessons, but instead went to a music school", which appears to be contradicted by the rest of your post.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  13:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: yeah thats what i was trying to say. as you can see i'm not a native speaker so i'm not adequate for editing this article. Hakken (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Hakken: I totally do not understand what you do not understand about the revision, and your edit in which removed a significant part of the information on his early life which was reliably sourced and cited was without any valid argument.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Miki Filigranski: The issue with the first section is that it lacks consensus on whether Vangelis went to a music school in his early years. For instance, it's mentioned he attended school to study music when he was a kid but Vangelis himself refuted this claim when asked if he had taken piano lessons, stating "My parents tried to push me to go to the music school, but they failed. It was just an attempt." Again, in a The Telegraph interview, he further refutes this question with a quote that conflicts with what's being said in the article: "I was lucky not to go because music schools close doors rather than open them".

On the other hand, the page in general is improperly sourced, with non-authoritative references such as fan sites being cited, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. I mean look at we have as sources: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. They are not reliable, not because of their looks but because they lack a fact checking structure, mostly because of their nature: websites whose content is self-published and user-generated. That said, i think it's our duty as editors to remove these sources and any claim that goes against what the author says. Hakken (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

You removed a whole paragraph of which only one part was relevant to this possible issue. However, it is stated that they enrolled him, he obviously went because of the quote in which he mentioned teachers, but he was lucky not to go i.e. to continue. It does not mean he never went to a music school. As for these other sources, can you write along these links the reference number because currently, I am not able to check them as and understand what they support? I do not support removing possibly relevant claims if a reliable source can be easily found, it would be unnecessary to make so many reverts.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 19:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

• Took a stab at a rephrase, reflective of the source and proportionate weight of the claims above. Not watching, please {{ping}} if you need additional feedback. czar 15:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Source Substitutions

One of the articles cited is from an online encyclopedia, "Musician Guide". Although the source is decent, referring to the sources cited in the "further" reading would be more beneficial. As it is an online encyclopedia, I don't think that it is a good source to cite on Wikipedia. Today, I substituted a citation from that site to the actual Life article in regards to the statement, "When the teachers asked me to play something, I would pretend that I was reading it and play from memory. I didn't fool them, but I didn't care." I will plan to add more sources from the following sources listed on that site:

• Commonweal, November 20, 1992.
• Down Beat, February 1992.
• High Fidelity, August 1983.
• Library Journal, May 1, 1983.
• Life, July 1982.
• New Yorker, July 12, 1982; June 11, 1984.
• People, April 19, 1982.
• Playboy, January 1983.
• Rolling Stone, May 13, 1982.
• Stereo Review, March 1982; January 1983; December 1983; June 1985.

Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 16:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Song(s) inspired by Vangelis

On one Photo Mr.Evangelos looks quite sad, so I sent one of his fanclubs this album (the 2nd song!) to send it to him, in return. The 3rd song is also amazing. Probably inspired by Vangelis, as nearly everyone in electronic or any genre.. ;-)

( I do not have a facebook account..PErhaps someone could send the album to him,there !? )

The Midnight - Endless Summer [Full Album]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pUL7u-mYqA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.75.93.122 (talk) 21:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

upsilon/beta spelling of the name

why is the υ in his name pronounced as a β, and in fact replaced by β in his stage name?

according to the greek alphabet wiki υ is equiv to english "i". shouldn't the pronunciation be "eˈiaɲɟelos" or something?

or SPELLED with a β if indeed it is read as "eˈvaɲɟelos"?

if it's some basic language rule like, say, "β is written as υ in non-initial position" pls clarify. maybe not in article but here at least -- really confusing why "vang..." and "evang..." are written so differently. 66.30.47.138 (talk) 23:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

It is a language rule.

The Greek letter "υ" is normally a vowel but it also forms two digraphs: "αυ" and "ευ". In that context, the "υ" becomes a consonant, pronounced like English "f" or "v", depending on the word. See Upsilon.

I am not sure what determines whether the "υ" in these digraphs gets pronounced like English "f" or like English "v". Maybe it depends on whether it is followed by a continuous or syncopated sound? Native speakers pick up the accepted pronunciation for such words from elders and peers, then just remember it.

In the case of Vangelis's name (Ευάγγελος), the "υ" is pronounced hard, like English "v". "Ευάγγελος", is the full, formal name. It is what you would see in his birth certificate. In everyday speech, most people so named prefer the abbreviated form "Βαγγέλης". This inherits the "v" sound from the formal name, then gets back-spelled phonetically. The change in spelling is necessary because a "υ" without the preceding "ε" would read like English "i" (as in "in").
— Black Walnut ^talk 03:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

ok, got it. incl the need for the spelling change once the "E-" is stripped. but are there also any who spell the full form "Εβάγγελος" to begin with?

also...u state that "most people prefer" Βαγγέλης. so this is a standard pet form of the name, not a stage name specific to HIM?

should be made clearer in the article. especially as the FINAL vowel also changes (-ος to -ης); it is more than simply an "abbreviated form".

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btw, does modern greek completely lack a "b" sound? when referring to Boston or Berlin, say, do they indeed render these as /v/? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 16:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)