Talk:Afghan conflict

Double Pictures

Why are there two pictures of the same image where President Karzai poses with the US troops? Aeazer (talk) 8:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 16 August 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved, early closing per WP:SNOW. No such user (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – See Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–present)#Requested move 15 August 2021. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose- it's highly unlikely that all conflict will cease now after it's been ongoing for 43 years, and important to wait until there's evidence of it being over. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 00:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Source needs to be explicit about the end of the 43 years old ongoing conflict. Ratnahastin ^tålk 04:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose While the 2001 phase of the war definitely ended with the fall of Kabul on 15 August 2021, the Afghan conflict is not over: the Northern Alliance and other anti-Taliban groups are creating a stronghold in the Panjshir Valley and have promised to fight.--Karma1998 (talk) 10:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose While the U.S.-led phase of the conflict is ending and will almost certainly be over by the end of this month, I haven't seen any reliable sources claim that the larger Afghanistan civil war is totally over. On August 17, 2021, Amrullah Saleh claimed that he is the country's legitimate leader. The BBC's live online coverage has repeatedly posted news briefs about the "uncertainty" surrounding Afghanistan's future. Based on what RSes are saying, I think it's too soon for Wikipedia to claim that this long-standing, multi-phase conflict has totally ended. CoatGuy (talk) 15:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Basically exactly what CoatGuy said. There is no evidence saying that the continuous conflict in Afghanistan is over, nor any reliable source to support such a claim. The US phase of the conflict has a separate move discussion occurring at Talk:War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)#Requested_move_15_August_2021, but this article is covering the overarching series of conflicts, thus it is too soon to make any such move. 98.217.255.37 (talk) 18:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Comment Just adding this source indicating that already there have been two postwar states declared in Afghanistan, fighting between the two is likely. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210817-defiant-afghan-ex-vp-vows-new-fight-with-taliban 98.217.255.37 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Very Strong Oppose We are on the verge of starting a new Afghan Civil War (or in a more official term a new phase of the existing Civil War) which is a part of the overall conflict. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:b005:60fa:2570:54a:2e91:38b4 (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest speedy close per WP:SNOW per all of the above. Lennart97 (talk) 13:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose I understand the argument when it comes to the recent war but before acting like all conflict in Afghanistan will end you need proof for it.SteffooM (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Very strong oppose While the War in Afghanistan (2001–present) may be over, the conflict is not. The Panjshir conflict is still ongoing and we don't know how long it will last. BnC78 (talk) 19:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• With new developments making it clear the overarching conflict is not over, I request for this discussion to be closed. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 20:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Strong oppose The phase of the conflict that started in 2001 may be over, but the overall conflict continues as a resistance is formed against the new Taliban government. EkoGraf (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rewrite/Addition

This article needs a major rewrite, specifically about the 2001-2021 phase. The section is too particular, talking about bomb blasts in Kabul and such. It should have a broader focus and should include the end of the war. A new section about the Panjshir fighting, however long that war will be, should be added as well. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CDEB:8B09:CB62:FF14 (talk) 15:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Rename to Afghanistan Conflict (1978-2021)

The Taliban and the Panjshir resistance have signed a ceasefire with one another, so I think it is safe to say that all continuous conflict in Afghanistan has ended at the very moment, and the war is over. Justrz (talk) 14:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I would oppose that move - a ceasefire isn't a peace treaty and it still has to be seen how long it's going to last - after all, conflict is still happening (including the Taliban cutting off internet access and armed clashes between the groups). Like, compare to the Korean conflict - the Korean War as such ended with a ceasefire in 1953 but there's still no long-lasting peace process and so it's still described as an ongoing conflict. NHCLS (talk) 14:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

A country not a war, at last]SAMBLAman (talk) 07:02, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 6 September 2021

Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – Termination of conflict SAMBLAman (talk) 09:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose it apparently isn't 100% confirmed yet. Super Ψ Dro 17:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Regardless of whether or not the Panjshir conflict has ended, the ISIL–Taliban conflict is still ongoing. Furthermore, there is no deadline, so there's no reason to rush to declare an end to a 43-year-long series of conflicts. Surachit (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

We don't include the ISIL–Taliban conflict in the lead as one of the phases of the 1978–present conflict, so maybe it wouldn't be counted if the Panjshir conflict ended soon. Super Ψ Dro 08:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Super and Surachit, agreed with user arugument Uttarpradeshi (talk) 08:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per the user's above, particularly the point about "no deadline." I think we should learn from the renaming debacle of War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) and not be overly hasty in renaming this article. Many users pushed to have Wikipedia "declare" the end of the War in Afghanistan after the Fall of Kabul on August 15, 2021. But there were additional skirmishes and deaths following the Fall of Kabul, and most reliable sources now agree that the 2001-2021 war ended on August 30, 2021, when the last US troops left—nearly two weeks after Wikipedia declared the conflict to be over. In retrospect, one of this site's most high-traffic articles was inaccurate for two weeks, because we were too quick to interpret a situation that was still developing. The BBC recently reported that some resistance fighters are still active. Furthermore, I do not think we can treat Taliban claims of victory as a reliable source; the Al Jazeera clip that SAMBLAman provided says as much at 0:20. CoatGuy (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)