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Bit-part actor, doesn't meet WP:NACTOR and sigcov. scope_creep^Talk 19:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

• Keep - Considering the nomination has come from an esteemed editor like scope_creep, I will try to give a detailed rational and try my best indeed. WP:NACTOR requires 'significant' roles in multiple notable films. I accepted it on the basis of Mahanubhavaru where she is the leading lady and second Karshanam, again the female lead. What's significant and not in WP:NACTOR has been debated over various AFDs etc. I have been part of many of them and my understanding of that is - if the actor is in the lead or at least second lead, it should count. Indian films (and here we are talking about Kannada films) are portrayed as male dominated so I can understand why they would feel like that roles of the female actor ere not significant - since the plot doesn't talk about the female leads much. But it's nothing but patriarchy - not giving right attention and credit (and even pay) to female co-stars despite the fact that they are equally important and play a significant role in the films. There are her other projects which I feel are notable but people have not created pages for them so far; but I guess a few of them are likely to pass WP:NFILM. The other reason I accepted it was WP:BASIC which doesn't particularly need sigcov. I saw a few print sources cited that were in local language with her pictures [1], [2]. I opened those and found that there are a massive number of local print sources on her. Check here [3]. I have felt that reliability of print is higher than online (my own opinion) and local sources should always count and have equal value as English sources. National English media is unlikely to report and of course there is a political battle between Hindi (the allegedly National language) and local southern languages in India. So for subjects belonging to such industries, local sources should be considered valuable. Considering these local ones, WP:BASIC seems to be crossed and in my opinion, even WP:NACTOR is achieved. Apologies for such long response; I have a 100% track record at AFC and I am very careful in accepting/rejecting articles and I hope I will maintain my record. Thanks! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:BASIC/WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR, as well as the thorough analysis from Nomadicghumakkad. Independent and reliable sources are focused on her, her biographical/education background, as well as her multiple significant roles, e.g. The long road to acting (Bangalore Mirror, 2018), This hudugi is ‘RAI’Ding high (Deccan Chronicle, 2018), The new princess (Deccan Chronicle, 2018), in addition to the sources described by Nomadicghumakkad. Beccaynr (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
• Delete WP:TOOSOON; appear to have played some minor roles in major productions or vice versa and sources provided above are insufficient to satisfy WP:GNG (see WP:IV). Also, please note that the draft was moved to the main namespace after being rejected multiple times by multiple reviewers. Also, Indian media write about anyone who claims to be an actor (see Paid news in India) and for that fact we don't keep articles on actors just because of their appearance in the media unless they satisfy WP:NACTOR for example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janhvi Kapoor and many more. GSS ^💬 04:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC) (updated 05:06, 19 September 2021 (UTC))
• Comment I don't think these are minor roles. The coverages clearly indicate that they are leading roles, as also explained by Beccaynr (whom I give credit for my understanding of WP:BASIC after losing a number of AFD battles to them!) About interviews, my understanding has been that what is outside double quotes can be considered for notability and that's why, my rational is linked with WP:BASIC and not necessarily WP:GNG. I definitely agree that journalism in India is now plagued with paid news but that doesn't mean that all news is paid news. The sources cited here are credited to journalists. Again, would focus back to value of sources in local languages and that they should not be overlooked. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • None of her films is independently notable. The notability of her debut film Mahanubhavaru is questionable and can be challenged by anyone. The film was released in 2017 and only received 1 review which is insufficient as per WP:NFILM and there is no significant coverage in reliable sources except the announcements etc. Her another film Karshanam was released in 2018 and I can't find a single full-length review by a notable critic about it. Google yield merely 15 results for "Karshanam" and most of them are not even about the film. GSS ^💬 14:27, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
• Comment They are minor roles. She is currently a bit-part actor at a very very early stage of her career. They're is not one staring part, not even a part in a major series, where she wasn't a support actor. The references offered are all PR. The references offered in archive.org state: New Comers Karshanam by Yuva Chethana in late 2018. It is PR as well. They are all junk references. She doen't meet WP:NACTOR. scope_creep^Talk 07:24, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I have posted the film Karshanam to Afd as well, since it is non-notable. scope_creep^Talk 14:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

The editor has indeffed block. 10 of the article have created have been rejected at Afc or deleted. Two seems to survive and seem to be linked to this actor. scope_creep^Talk 14:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Falls short of WP:NACTOR which needs "significant roles in multiple notable films." Without the presence of critical reviews, neither significance nor notability can be duly assessed. Two films have articles but their notability is shaky. Also, the concerns about the independence of the sources cannot be ignored when nearly all of them are interviews . -- Ab207 (talk) 16:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Interesting inputs. Bit part is being defined as A bit part is a role in which there is direct interaction with the principal actors and no more than five lines of dialogue, often referred to as a five-or-less or under-five in the United States, or under sixes in British television, or a walk-on part with no dialogue. A bit part is higher than that of an extra and lower than that of a supporting actor. An actor who regularly performs in bit roles, either as a hobby or to earn a living, is referred to as a bit player, a term also used to describe an aspiring actor who has not yet broken into supporting or leading roles.

Subject is on the poster of the first film [4]. I don't think a bit part actor would be given space on the posters. On Karshanam, I was able to locate a dubbed link on youtube [5]. A quick skim through was sufficient to gather that this is not a bit part or a supporting role. For Mahanabhavaru, I found a review at TOI, rated 2 out of 5 [6]m one at Chitraloka rated 3 out of 5 [7]. I have a feeling there will be more local (Karnataka) sources. On Karshanam, there is one in Asia Net news [8] and one in Cinibuzz [9]. Both are local languages. Also, film reviews is not the only criteria. If there is regular reporting on updates of the film, the film can still pass WP:GNG of it's own - which is how we end up having wiki pages of many films that are not even released yet. Google search results would still give limited results because it won't pick a lot of Kannada material. The last argument circles back to WP:BASIC. Archives [10] illustrates her journey, various roles and her biographical details in English, Kannada and Malyalam. I don't agree they are paid unless proven otherwise. I agree they are interviewish. But like mentioned before, there is enough material outside that she is saying herself as a primary source. Not having reception of work is not ideal indeed. I have myself opposed this for authors and actors. But I have lost many of those AFDs where I voiced against not having proper reception. WP:BASIC was recognized over the issues of absence of reception. I think that's all I got on this one unless I find something fascinatingly new! Would have been really great to have some Kannada reading editors weigh in. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

• I would take your word for having significant roles but for notability, its not unreasonable to expect atleast two full-length reviews of good quality. Print sources are usually the best ones per WP:NFSOURCES. TOI is acceptable, along with Asianet (which is originally published by Kannada Prabha) can also be considered. I believe film reviews are an easier route to notability than GNG. If properly scrutinized, many of the unreleased film articles wouldn't meet WP:NFF. Overall, I think its still borderline. -- Ab207 (talk) 08:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate your trust; that being said, I haven't made statements without a suitable rational. And thank you for saying it's borderline - which is different than non-notable. I agree that it's not unreasonable to ask for full length reviews. My only worry is that it's difficult to figure reliability of sources like chitraloka and others since we don't have enough editors who would be able to read Kannada. This holds true for hundreds of other languages. I feel strongly towards notability in context of WP:BASIC considering there is regular print coverage about her through out years. 02:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

• Delete - Fails WP:ENTERTAINER. User:GSS has a good point with WP:TOOSOON. Gentleman wiki (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Elaborating further on my argument below:

• Nischith N writes The long road to acting in Bangalore Mirror and writes Actress Anusha Rai pursued engineering in electronics and communication at Acharya Institute of technology and dreamed of working n a multinational company. But she soon started receiving offers from sandalwood and is now working on her third film titled karshanam in which she plays role of a journalist…Anusha made her dubet with the movie Mahanubhavaru which recently released and is also part of popular teleserial like Naagakannike.

• Shashiprasad SM writes in Deccan Chronicle with title The New PrincessHer love for dance drew her to learn the art, which eventually led her to movies. But soon, television embraced her and she got busy with multiple teleserials in other languages too including Kannada. Actress Anusha Rai, is back with yet another exciting venture titled Rajakumari for Kasturi channel, which is produced by Mrs Anitha Kumaraswamy. That apart, the actress is playing vital roles in movies too including Damayanti wherein she shares screen space with Radhika Kumaraswamy...In the movie Karshanam, an action suspense thriller which recently released to positive reviews, Anushaplayed the role of a journalist. Further, in her upcoming venture titled BMW, she is a college student and in the most expected horror venture Damayanti, she shares the screen space with the talented Radhika Kumaraswamy.
  

• Vinay Lokesh write in Times of India in article titled Anusha Rai features in an English hip hop music videoActress Anusha Rai is extending her horizons beyond Sandalwood. The actress will be seen in her debut English hip hop music video called Aicha. The song which is crooned by Dubai-based singer Sanoof Mohammed, will be released next month. The actress has also signed an anthology film, Pentagon. Apart from this, there is coverage about her in Vijay Karnataka [11], Vijayavani [12], Kannada Prabha [13]. I can't read the language but I don't see the double quotes so we can presume these are not necessarily interviews. All of this can even be considered contributing to WP:GNG like Beccaynr first asserted. And if not, WP:BASIC is still easily qualified. I have not even considered repeat coverages by these publications which talks about her in different roles and events.

About the last comment: roughly around 500 edits, no page creations, use of twinkle, a Blitzkrieg of 70 AFds in last 4 days with knowledge of diverse guidelines doesn't really add up. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

• I have corrected and improved hundreds of pages since 2009. This is what I do. I do not create pages on non notable topics but I see dozens of those every week. Gentleman wiki (talk) 01:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)