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Mild promotional article of a non notable singer who unfortunately at this point do not meet any criterion from WP:SINGER and a WP:BEFORE shows they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them thus an overall GNG fail. Celestina007 (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Vermont-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

More content and references have been added. Colliedog (talk) 23:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC) Awards section added. Meets Wikipedia:Singer criteria no.9 "Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colliedog (talk • contribs) 02:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Added independent, verifiable references that substantiate WP:Singer criteria 1 and 4. Please note: Colliedog has not received any compensation in any form for writing this article. I'm a college librarian practicing and upgrading my Wikipedia skill since it has been several years since I participated with a Middlebury College class in the Art+Feminism: Wikipedia Edit-a-thon (hence my interest in improving Wikipedia's coverage of women by adding an article about a female artists). Colliedog (talk) 14:39, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment — Please show what criterion from WP:MUSICBIO is met or show any reliable sources that shows GNG is met. Thank you. Celestina007 (talk) 15:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I have already listed the criteria met earlier in this talk page. Content and references I added that substantiated this were removed (not by me), including very legit independent reliable sources. For example, I'm not sure why the reference to a substantial interview from the Burlington Free Press was removed, especially since it verified a lot of basic bio and performance info. It is a very reliable source - it's the newspaper of Vermont's largest city, with the largest circulation, and was started in 1827. It's an official newspaper of record for VT. I'm also not sure why the text stating she performs with Tune-yards was removed. She is listed as one of the musicians they tour with right on their wikipedia page, so I thought linking to notable musicians pages on Wikipedia that list her as a performer helped substantiate that. She sang on the TV appearances with Tune-yards that I had listed, but those also got removed. Artist in residence at Yale University was removed as were other less notable ones (their removal makes sense). Her band VIDA won a national championship for a capella (criteria 9) and that got removed. So I'll re-add these and be as explicit as I can in the comments about the rationale. thank you. Colliedog (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Colliedog ”I'm not sure why the reference to a substantial interview from the Burlington Free Press was removed” [an interview isn’t reliable material] I'm also not sure why the text stating she performs with Tune-yards was removed [because you were using the article to promote her thus all promotional statements that were unverified by the inline sources were all removed as promo and fake referencing]. She sang on the TV appearances with Tune-yards that I had listed, but those also got removed [because it was Promotional and an archetypal example of WP:NOT]. Her band VIDA won a national championship for a capella (criteria 9) Not quite, read this from #8 of WP:MUSICBIO Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition [the competition they won isn’t a notable one. So please Do not include promotional material in that article, further attempts to violate our TOU and I’m afraid you leave me no option than to officially report this. If you have a WP:COI with the subject please indicate so, how exactly did you get the image of the subject of your article? Furthermore you predominantly still using unreliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Above: "the competition they won isn’t a notable one". This is about Harmony Sweepstakes A Cappella Festival, which as you can see has an article. I'd say that the article is very feeble, but it does make the festival itself sound non-trivial. What are the criteria for festival/award notability? (Incidentally, MS seems also to have won another award.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 "the competition they won isn’t a notable one. So please Do not include promotional material in that article, further attempts to violate our TOU and I’m afraid you leave me no option than to officially report this." Before adding the Harmony Sweepstakes award I searched to understand it's prominence independent of the festival website and I found this article which I thought established it as a notable festival https://www.marinarts.org/organization/harmony-sweepstakes-a-cappella-festival/. (I also saw the festival has it's own wikipedia article - hence I've been trying to do due diligence with the articles I've found. Colliedog (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

p.s. I just found this article on Harmony Sweepstakes festival which is from a more reliable source https://www.marinij.com/2014/05/15/lib-at-large-with-harmony-sweepstakes-marins-the-heart-of-a-cappella-universe/ Colliedog (talk) 15:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 "how exactly did you get the image of the subject of your article?". I was going to add a photo of the musician and the WP add image editor had a checkbox that said I had to own the copyright / have taken the photo itself or have written permission I can submit from the copyright owner. I checked wikimedia creative commons but there was no photo of her there and I couldn't find one online elsewhere using google image advance search. I knew I couldn't grab one from the artist's website so I used this photo I had taken when I ran into her on a local hiking trail so as to abide by WP policy. I tried to get a photo of her at her last concert but venue didn't allow photography. Please understand I'm trying to follow WP guidelines. Colliedog (talk) 15:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Added content and a ref. Do not know enough about music notability criteria to state a recommendation. David notMD (talk) 15:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• Keep, as, I think, satisfying notability requirements. -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. Seems to me that she meets the requirements, especially with the improvements by Colliedog. WestCD (talk) 03:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:57, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Meets requirements for notibility. It also has been improved.Super (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2021 (UTC)