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== Arrow in the knee ==

I removed this sentence and citation as the citation didn't support the claim at all. I'm not sure when it was entered as it seems to have been there for a long time. The citation is freely available on archive.org here[https://archive.org/details/genghiskhan0000manj/page/158/mode/2up] for those who wish to read the cited text. To be thorough, when I noticed the claim went back past 2010 when this book was published, I did some more digging and found another edition of the book published in 2004 (and titled slightly differently). This version[https://archive.org/details/genghiskhanlifed0000manj_q4g0/page/158/mode/2up] of the book does mention him being wounded by an arrow, but makes absolutely no mention of it hitting his knee at all. Just simply that he was wounded. I'm not quite sure how to treat that. If a later edition of a book removes something an earlier edition mentioned, there could be a reason for it, like it was found to not be verifiable.--[[Special:Contributions/222.109.91.138|222.109.91.138]] ([[User talk:222.109.91.138|talk]]) 02:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

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Britannica

http://books.google.com/books?id=RGMIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=zMcnAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false

Perthensis

http://books.google.com/books?id=SarP2aI0RvsC&pg=RA1-PA526#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=oUdQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA437#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=KXTv75spY7YC&pg=PA514#v=onepage&q&f=false

Londinensis

http://books.google.com/books?id=JlUMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA440#v=onepage&q&f=false

Han, Khitan and Jurchen defectors in the Mongol armies

Han, Khitan and Jurchen defectors helped the Mongols fight the Jin

Yelü Chucai, Puxian Wannu, Yelü Liuge (耶律留哥) http://books.google.com/books?id=6UaeL64p-ukC&pg=PA75&dq=mongols+khitan+chinese+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PA5vUp1LocPgA57AgeAG&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mongols%20khitan%20chinese%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=TV48AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA195&dq=mongols+khitan+chinese+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PA5vUp1LocPgA57AgeAG&ved=0CEsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=mongols%20khitan%20chinese%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=AZIJAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT368&dq=mongols+khitan+chinese+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PA5vUp1LocPgA57AgeAG&ved=0CF8Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=mongols%20khitan%20chinese%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=NQ2_byGXWFUC&pg=PA70&dq=mongols+khitan+chinese+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PA5vUp1LocPgA57AgeAG&ved=0CGsQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=mongols%20khitan%20chinese%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=A1nwvKNPMWkC&pg=PA168&dq=mongols+khitan+chinese+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PA5vUp1LocPgA57AgeAG&ved=0CHAQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=mongols%20khitan%20chinese%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=j8lLD2Pd3pIC&pg=PA116&dq=mongols+khitan+chinese+jin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PA5vUp1LocPgA57AgeAG&ved=0CGYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=mongols%20khitan%20chinese%20jin&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=PDjWpqU55eMC&pg=PA24#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=XnIIbzweN7IC&pg=PA184&dq=Han'er+Khitan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uU8qVPHNBNP-yQSuuYHwCA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Han'er%20Khitan&f=false

These northern Han Chinese defectors were used by the Mongols in their Central Asian, Middle Eastern, and European campaigns.

http://books.google.com/books?id=esnWJkYRCJ4C&pg=PA58&dq=transoxania+chinese+gunpowder+catapult&hl=en&ei=pvLTTs3XH8Ho0QH866g4&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=transoxania%20chinese%20gunpowder%20catapult&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=X7e8rHL1lf4C&pg=PA46&dq=Chinese+engineers+operating+trebuchets+(catapults)+throwing+gunpowder+bombs.+Their+progress+was+rapid+and+devastating+until,+after+the+sack+of+Baghdad+in+1258,+they+entered+Syria.+There+they+met+an+Islamic+army+similarly+equipped+and&hl=en&ei=zLPVTvKoJ-rt0gGusumeAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Chinese%20engineers%20operating%20trebuchets%20(catapults)%20throwing%20gunpowder%20bombs.%20Their%20progress%20was%20rapid%20and%20devastating%20until%2C%20after%20the%20sack%20of%20Baghdad%20in%201258%2C%20they%20entered%20Syria.%20There%20they%20met%20an%20Islamic%20army%20similarly%20equipped%20and&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?ei=EOvhTZ-vFubb0QGCx-CeBw&ct=result&id=fmptAAAAMAAJ&dq=mongols+chinese+general+baghdad&q=thousand+chinese+archers+crossbow+fire+arrows+iraq+baghdad

http://books.google.com/books?id=OgQXAQAAIAAJ&q=Though+he+was+himself+a+Chinese,+he+learned+his+trade+from+his+father,+who+had+accompanied+Genghis+Khan+on+his+invasion+of+Muslim+Transoxania+and+Iran.+Perhaps+the+use+of+gunpowder+as+a+propellant,+in+other+words+the+invention+of+true&dq=Though+he+was+himself+a+Chinese,+he+learned+his+trade+from+his+father,+who+had+accompanied+Genghis+Khan+on+his+invasion+of+Muslim+Transoxania+and+Iran.+Perhaps+the+use+of+gunpowder+as+a+propellant,+in+other+words+the+invention+of+true&hl=en&ei=TgfUTtqlEZLD0AHC95QD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=AzG5llo3YCMC&pg=PA474&dq=Indeed,+it+is+possible+that+gunpowder+devices,+including+Chinese+mortar+(+huochong),+had+reached+Central+Asia+through+the+Mongols+as+early+as+the+thirteenth+century.71+Yet+the+potential+remained+unexploited;&hl=en&ei=gQrUToDEO4Hz0gHfi-SyBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Indeed%2C%20it%20is%20possible%20that%20gunpowder%20devices%2C%20including%20Chinese%20mortar%20(%20huochong)%2C%20had%20reached%20Central%20Asia%20through%20the%20Mongols%20as%20early%20as%20the%20thirteenth%20century.71%20Yet%20the%20potential%20remained%20unexploited%3B&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=H-k9oc9xsuAC&pg=PA510&dq=mongol+invasion+hungary+chinese+gunpowder&hl=en&ei=XGwzTuH4Ccb20gHbgtGQDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=LaV-IGZ8VKIC&pg=PA510&dq=mongol+invasion+hungary+chinese+gunpowder&hl=en&ei=XGwzTuH4Ccb20gHbgtGQDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBDgU#v=onepage&q=mongol%20invasion%20hungary%20chinese%20gunpowder&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=BZf_L1V7NLUC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=In+the+campaigns+waged+in+western+Asia+(1253-1258)+by+Jenghis'+grandson+Hulagu,+%22a+thousand+engineers+from+China+had+to+get+themselves+ready+to+serve+the+catapults,+and+to+be+able+to+cast+inflammable+substances.%22+One+of+Hulagu's+principal+generals+in+his+succ&source=bl&ots=RaWDREHE41&sig=3r7kd0nVlubg1VrorYfOeMdIQQA&hl=en&ei=P8PmTtqbHsLk0QG6_KmGCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=In%20the%20campaigns%20waged%20in%20western%20Asia%20(1253-1258)%20by%20Jenghis'%20grandson%20Hulagu%2C%20%22a%20thousand%20engineers%20from%20China%20had%20to%20get%20themselves%20ready%20to%20serve%20the%20catapults%2C%20and%20to%20be%20able%20to%20cast%20inflammable%20substances.%22%20One%20of%20Hulagu's%20principal%20generals%20in%20his%20succ&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=BZf_L1V7NLUC&pg=PA173&dq=Unquestionably+in+the+Chinese+the+Mongols+encountered+more+stubborn+opposition+and+better+defense+than+any+of+their+other+opponents+in+Europe+and+Asia+had+shown.+THey+needed+every+military+artifice+known+at+that+time,+for+they+had+to+fight+in+terrain+that+was+difficult+for+their+horses,+in+regions+infested+with+diseases+fatal+to+large+numbers+of+their&hl=en&ei=ccHmTofYOofe0QH64_SKCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Unquestionably%20in%20the%20Chinese%20the%20Mongols%20encountered%20more%20stubborn%20opposition%20and%20better%20defense%20than%20any%20of%20their%20other%20opponents%20in%20Europe%20and%20Asia%20had%20shown.%20THey%20needed%20every%20military%20artifice%20known%20at%20that%20time%2C%20for%20they%20had%20to%20fight%20in%20terrain%20that%20was%20difficult%20for%20their%20horses%2C%20in%20regions%20infested%20with%20diseases%20fatal%20to%20large%20numbers%20of%20their&f=false


http://books.google.com/books?id=esnWJkYRCJ4C&pg=PA58&dq=mongol+invasion+hungary+chinese+gunpowder&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=-UnWOmL1a48C&pg=PA28&dq=battle+of+mohi+chinese+gunpowder&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=_RsPrzrsAvoC&pg=PA492&dq=mongol+invasion+hungary+chinese+gunpowder&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=BxpaGuxtGggC&q=But+the+explosive+force+of+gunpowder+seemed+promising+as+well,+and+Mongol+armies+routinely+used+lengths+of+bamboo+filled+with+gunpowder+in+order+to+blow+open+city+gates.+In+this+primitive+form+gunpowder+weapons+reached+Europe+in+1241&dq=But+the+explosive+force+of+gunpowder+seemed+promising+as+well,+and+Mongol+armies+routinely+used+lengths+of+bamboo+filled+with+gunpowder+in+order+to+blow+open+city+gates.+In+this+primitive+form+gunpowder+weapons+reached+Europe+in+1241&hl=en



http://books.google.com/books?id=2aM1Kp--SXQC&pg=PA27#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=-hMtbFlKW5AC&pg=PT11&dq=mongol+invasion+hungary+chinese+gunpowder&hl=en&ei=cXUzTozgIqfb0QGPm42IDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBTge#v=onepage&q=mongol%20%20hungary%20chinese%20gunpowder&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=dwZzTvNwA84C&pg=PA250&dq=Moreover,+many+Chinese+were+in+the+first+wave+of+the+Mongolian+conquest+of+Iran+and+Iraq+-+a+Chinese+general,+Guo+Kan,+was+first+governor+of+Baghdad+after+its+capture+in+ad+1258.+As+the+Mongols+had+a+habit+of+destroying+irrigation+and&hl=en&ei=or_mTs-CIKP20gHriJ3jCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Moreover%2C%20many%20Chinese%20were%20in%20the%20first%20wave%20of%20the%20Mongolian%20conquest%20of%20Iran%20and%20Iraq%20-%20a%20Chinese%20general%2C%20Guo%20Kan%2C%20was%20first%20governor%20of%20Baghdad%20after%20its%20capture%20in%20ad%201258.%20As%20the%20Mongols%20had%20a%20habit%20of%20destroying%20irrigation%20and&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=NZRFAAAAMAAJ&q=The+name+of+this+Chinese+general+was+Kuo+K'an+(Mongol,+Kuka+Ilka).+He+commanded+the+right+flank+of+the+Mongol+army+in+its+advance+on+Baghdad+and+remained+in+charge+of+the+city+after+its+surrender.+His+life+in+Chinese+has+been+preserved&dq=The+name+of+this+Chinese+general+was+Kuo+K'an+(Mongol,+Kuka+Ilka).+He+commanded+the+right+flank+of+the+Mongol+army+in+its+advance+on+Baghdad+and+remained+in+charge+of+the+city+after+its+surrender.+His+life+in+Chinese+has+been+preserved&hl=en&ei=qMDmTvvVDYfY0QGq74zdCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?ei=oeThTY-nNujW0QGWxYmmBw&ct=result&id=NZRFAAAAMAAJ&dq=Chinese+influences+soon+made+themselves+strongly+felt+in+Hulagu%27s+dominions.+A+Chinese+general+was+made+the+first+governor+of+Baghdad%2C5+and+Chinese+engineers+were+employed+to+improve+the+irrigation+of+the+Tigris-Euphrates+basin&q=Chinese+influences+soon+made+themselves+strongly+felt+in+Hulagu%27s+dominions.+A+Chinese+general+was+made+the+first+governor+of+Baghdad%2C5+and+Chinese+engineers+were+employed+to+improve+the+irrigation+of+the+Tigris-Euphrates+basin

http://books.google.com/books?id=jqb7L-pKCV8C&pg=PA377&dq=mongols+chinese+general+baghdad&hl=en&ei=BubhTYTkM-Lj0gGgtqG1Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=mongols%20chinese%20general%20baghdad&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?ei=PO7hTdTsBeHv0gH339CgBw&ct=result&id=fmptAAAAMAAJ&dq=Throughout+this+period+and+for+some+time+after%2C+Chinese+influence+in+the+Middle+East+remained+strong.+The+first+governor+of+Baghdad+under+the+new+regime+was+Guo+Kan%2C+a+Chinese+general+who+had+commanded+the+Mongols%27+right+flank&q=guo+kan


Rajmaan (talk) 05:13, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide page references? Because these links often don't work after a while.

Shi Gang (1237-1315)

Shi Gang was from a prominent Han family during the Yuan dynasty who deected to the Mongols and helped them onquer the Jin.

http://books.google.com/books?id=nCIPD1V39QkC&pg=PA14&dq=Shi+Gang+(1237-1315)&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ds5WU5-mC4_MsQTctICAAw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Shi%20Gang%20(1237-1315)&f=false

His father was Han, his mother was Jurchen and his wife was a Kerait. His father also had Korean and Han wives as well.

http://books.google.com/books?id=nCIPD1V39QkC&pg=PA15#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=FPzcTT-pBp4C&pg=PA47&dq=Shi+Gang+(1237-1315)&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ds5WU5-mC4_MsQTctICAAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Shi%20Gang%20(1237-1315)&f=false

Page 204

Meng Fanfeng iS^ll# "A study of the Yuan painter Shi Gang's epitaph" Tnttfc&SfettiE&Bi, WW, 1997:7, pp 71-74 ^ Discovered in the northern area of Shijiazhuang city, ... The epitaph reveals that Shi Gang's life spanned the years 1237 to 1315.

http://books.google.com/books?id=wkvrAAAAMAAJ&q=Shi+gang+1237&dq=Shi+gang+1237&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b88qUamoKufy0QG2iIC4Cg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw

His father Shi Tianze

http://books.google.com/books?id=nCIPD1V39QkC&pg=PA37&dq=hsiao+ch'i-ch'ing+1994&hl=en&sa=X&ei=D7VWU52OFILQsQTNoICgCg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=hsiao%20ch'i-ch'ing%201994&f=false

Shi Tianzi and his Jurchen, Korean, and Han wives.

http://books.google.com/books?id=FPzcTT-pBp4C&pg=PA47&dq=Shi+Tianze+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ac1WU8LQEMzgsASOroDQCg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Shi%20Tianze%201202%201275&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=kG45gi7E3hsC&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&source=bl&ots=uoldXccTd8&sig=yu_OyQhSMh9mu3FJQ_uwWDiuUBA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OLVWU-j_I6TksATD94C4Aw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Shih%20t'ien%20tse%201202%201275&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=kG45gi7E3hsC&pg=PA41#v=onepage&q&f=false

Other information about Shi

http://books.google.com/books?id=Pg8EGvilcLsC&pg=PA341&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Shih%20t'ien%20tse%201202%201275&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Pg8EGvilcLsC&pg=PA211#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=BxH0PqdGTVUC&pg=PA660&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAg

http://books.google.com/books?id=nCIPD1V39QkC&pg=PA311&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Shih%20t'ien%20tse%201202%201275&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=5aSrAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA814&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Shih%20t'ien%20tse%201202%201275&f=false

Page 200

http://books.google.com/books?ei=OsxWU_ypC9OxsASN24CwCA&id=7T4MAQAAMAAJ&dq=Shih+T%27ien-tse+%28+1202-1275%29%2C+among+others%2C+first+proposed+that+the+examination+system+be+restored.&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=T%27ien-tse+1202

Page 33

http://books.google.com/books?id=NpSOAAAAMAAJ&q=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg

http://books.google.com/books?id=NpSOAAAAMAAJ&q=One+of+Meng-ku+Pa-erh's+six+daughters+married+a+son+of+the+influential+Shih+T'ien-tse+(1202-1275),+a+member+of+a+Chinese+clan+that+was+recruited&dq=One+of+Meng-ku+Pa-erh's+six+daughters+married+a+son+of+the+influential+Shih+T'ien-tse+(1202-1275),+a+member+of+a+Chinese+clan+that+was+recruited&hl=en&sa=X&ei=msxWU4DeFdTRsQTno4DADg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

Of Meng-ku Pa-erh's seven sons, one was appointed to the office of Sung-chou ta -lu-hua-ch'ih/3 One of Meng-ku Pa-erh's six daughters married a son of the influential Shih T'ien-tse (1202-1275), a member of a Chinese clan that was recruited ...

Page 58

http://books.google.com/books?id=VfBtAAAAMAAJ&q=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwBw

Page 208

http://books.google.com/books?id=rBVHAAAAIAAJ&q=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&dq=Shih+t'ien+tse+1202+1275&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GctWU8zCOsbjsATb0YKYBw&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCA

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Arrow in the knee

I removed this sentence and citation as the citation didn't support the claim at all. I'm not sure when it was entered as it seems to have been there for a long time. The citation is freely available on archive.org here[1] for those who wish to read the cited text. To be thorough, when I noticed the claim went back past 2010 when this book was published, I did some more digging and found another edition of the book published in 2004 (and titled slightly differently). This version[2] of the book does mention him being wounded by an arrow, but makes absolutely no mention of it hitting his knee at all. Just simply that he was wounded. I'm not quite sure how to treat that. If a later edition of a book removes something an earlier edition mentioned, there could be a reason for it, like it was found to not be verifiable.--222.109.91.138 (talk) 02:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]