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Leonardo Spinazzola

In late 2018, he played two matches for Juve Primavera after an cruciate injury. Should there be Juventus and next to it 2018 in his infobox (youth career section)? Dr Salvus 08:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

No. A 25 year old playing with the youth team as part of coming back from injury is not a youth career! GiantSnowman 08:18, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand why we keep brining back the topic of the youth career in the infobox in the form of small unrelated discussions. We need an actual RfC for this. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 23:06, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd only asked just to know what should be done in this situation. Dr Salvus 06:21, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, we should make a final RFC and then just add to template somewhere for clarities sake.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Template:Belgian FA player

Yesterday night, I created this template. However, there's a problem I can't solve. I first used the template at Koni De Winter but it added this category Category:Belgian FA template using numeric ID. Can anyone fix this? Dr Salvus 08:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

First of all, you have to create a request for a new property at Wikidata, as you are currently using one that belongs to Soccerway's template. Furthermore, your syntax seem fine. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't know how to. Can anyone else explain me what should be done and do what you've said? Dr Salvus 16:07, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Done, there was already a property related to a template from the Belgian FA in the Wikidata, I've just linked them and fixed the template. About the cats, they needed to be created to feature as "hidden". Now the page will not show the cat (it will only appear when editing). BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Dr Salvus 16:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

What is the minimum standard for page creation now in light of the RFC eliminating appearance criteria

I know GNG has always trumped all, but in light of that is there/should there be a minimum standard for quality/quantity of references for new articles. Given the current time of the year, many North American leagues that were on the WP:FPL list have just started up leading to several new articles being created for many players (likely many creators may be unaware of the RFC). I give myself a high standard and have only created articles for players where I could find multiple non-trivial sources so that GNG could undoubtedly be met. Here are my recent creations: Luka Gavran, Kairo Coore, Jacob Carlos, Zakaria Bahous, and Alonso Coello Camarero. I ensured there were multiple non-database/stats page references beyond a passing mention as my criteria for creation (Note for that last article on ACC, everything that's unsourced+the picture were not added by me, but what I assume is a family member based on the username).

Comparatively, here are some recent articles not created by me that contain minimal referencing and/or referencing primarily based on Stats Pages/Player Database/Team profiles: Tyler Moss (soccer), Eduardo Jesus, Daniel Bloyou, Samuel Owusu (footballer, born 2000), where the articles basically read as "In 20XX, he played A games for B team scoring C goals. In 20XX, he played X games for Y team, scoring Z goals."

I know my own standards for articles I create are high, but just wondering what is the minimum? Are those other ones sufficient or should there be more in there to be created (ie. surviving AfD). For example, there are other players who've made their debuts, who if I could not find what I deemed to be sufficient sourcing, I did not bother to create articles for, even though I could have used database/stats pages/trivial mentions for. RedPatch (talk) 20:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing only to stats sites etc. is not enough - WP:NBASIC applies. GiantSnowman 20:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I think overall we need to bring up our own standards. One liner microstubs sourcing only Soccerway aren't good enough, we have to meet WP:GNG as it stands. When I first started I was guilty of making some of these same microstubs, so I'm working on improving my old pages and I'd encourage anyone else who creates pages to do the same. And I think I've seen some improvement from other page creators as well, so I guess that's good news.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Philipp Beigl

Hello, Football folks,

This article is tagged for CSD G4 deletion because it was deleted in an AFD in 2020 but I think he might qualify now as since then he has played for professional soccer teams in the U.S. I just wanted to get a second opinion here about whether there have been sufficient enough changes in the past two years that would make CSD G4 no longer apply. Thanks Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

The last AfD was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philipp Beigl (2nd nomination), less than a year ago. Beigl had already made one appearance at the time, but the article was deleted anyway. He's made one more appearance since then, but fundamentally nothing has really changed. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I only saw the first AFD. Thanks for the information, Sir Sputnik. Well, I won't untag the page. CSD G4s tend to not get deleted very quickly so there may be time to add some new sources. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I think this needs to go back to AFD. GiantSnowman 09:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I found a few sources, but haven't had the time to look at them. I'll try to see tomorrow if there's enough there to make an article RedPatch (talk) 02:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I updated the article. Found a few good German sources. RedPatch (talk) 22:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Two of the references were the same article, one was just an updated version of the other. I've consolidated them into one named reference. BigDom (talk) 06:09, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Updater template

Hi, I've found a thread Module talk:Sports table/Archive 1#Standings Updater Excel Template, but the link to the excel template is dead. What are you guys currently using to assist Module:Sports table updates? Will appreciate pointers to the right places to read up.Wolfmartyn (talk) 16:46, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm using what the source says. Gricehead (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Poland national football team

The honours section disappeared! Couldn't figure out who did it or why. I am off to work now! :/ Govvy (talk) 07:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not sure why that was removed with the edit summary saying that was vandalism i.e. this edit but I'm glad that has been restored by someone else, hopefully. The person who removed that honors section has been blocked as well as multiple accounts belonging to the same individual. Thanks, Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 20:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

The article gets surprisingly heavy editing traffic! A good chunk of the editing history don't seem that helpful, don't know if it would have to semi the article or not. Govvy (talk) 05:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I would do if the problems increase. NGS ^{Shakin' All Over} 16:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Generic goal

When's a goal scored not notable enough to be included in the prose of a footballer's article? Dr Salvus 14:38, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

When it is routine match reporting. I'd go the other way completely: justify why a particular goal is notable enough to include.Spike 'em (talk) 14:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Most goals are not individually notable. Winning goals in major matches (eg cup finals or games which clinched the league title) are probably notable. Almost all other goals are not -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Could a goal scored in a special way (bicycle kick or free kick for example) be notable. For example, today Matías Soulé has scored his first goal from a free kick in his career. Is this notable? Dr Salvus 15:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

No, because it isn't uncommon. As Chris said above, a winning goal in a major final might be noteworthy but that's about it. Goals are routine and I see them as, in effect, statistics. You shouldn't exclude a goal from the narrative if doing so will somehow lose context but that comes back to Spike's point about the goal being notable enough for inclusion. NGS ^{Shakin' All Over} 16:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

No, unless for some reason the specific fact that he scored a free kick attracted a lot of publicity (as in, far more than any other goal would get). Otherwise that 100% isn't notable -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Pierre Lees-Melou

I noticed this article about a Premier League footballer has been massively neglected. There is no written prose except for the lead section, with nothing on his life or his career. The stats table is also not updated as of writing this comment (I will take care of that), and overall it really is surprising that an article about a Premier League player has been neglected this badly. I don't know if there are any more articles like this, but it really is something we as editors need to watch out for more often. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Probably because until this year he played in France. I notice his French wiki page has quite a bit of info. It would be easy to write prose based off that, since the French article is well sourced. It's not uncommon for players in non-English language leagues to have less prose simply due to viewers/sources. A French person is probably more likely to make a French article about a French player in a French league than an English-speaking person would simply due to what they follow/read/write/etc. Easier to find sources in your own language, etc RedPatch (talk) 23:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

The French article strangely had highly concentrated information in his amateur years with a club that doesn't have an enwiki page, and mere lines to mention his transfers as a professional. I have expanded the English article, mainly based off a source from the Norwich fansite Pink Un, which was quite detailed in the bigger picture and not just "he played, he scored" 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:E9BB:2653:9024:7560 (talk) 09:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)