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S0091: Thanks. I am pretty sure I will get to a decisive point before six months are up. I have found two thorough, 20-page retrospective articles, one from 1989 and one from 2006. But unless someone unknown to me is writing a book on Burdick, I'm not likely to find more. So I'm mentally composing a defense of my sources, the main point being that exhibit design, unlike, say, architecture or painting, is ephemeral. Charles and Ray Eames, the master exhibit designers, are famous for their furniture and their film, not their exhibits. No one beside Burdick himself could have seen all his exhibits, which all had an expiration date. Photos of the exhibit hardware don't give the slightest measure of a vast interactive exhibit, crowded with engaged visitors. And Burdick's name does not crop up in news coverage unless the report is about an opening, when Burdick was likely to be there. How many exhibit designers can the average museum visitor name? Two of his works -- the Burdick Group desk system and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum -- got spectacular coverage, for years even, but reporters reaching for the big picture have to rely on interviews with Burdick. Taking all of that into account, I think that a flock of brief items on particular exhibits is the only way to signal the magnitude of Burdick's accomplishments. Please reserve judgment until you see my new effort.

P.S. I put a conflict of interest box and brief explanation at the head of my talk page. I didn't see how to trigger a questionnaire.

Basgar Peverel (talk) 23:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Basgar P.

@Basgar Peverel oh, I did not intend my action to be construed as a judgement so please do not take it that way. I have not looked at the draft again from a review perspective. In the back of my mind, if you walked away from it for whatever reason (life happens) I wanted to it stay around for a longer period than normal. I would not do that unless I thought the subject had potential. S0091 (talk) 23:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Stromae's New Album 'Multitude'

You beat to me to it! I was planning to change the tense. Thanks anyways lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDoctorOfFire (talk • contribs) 03:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Request on 19:34:24, 5 March 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Junedude433

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Strong disagreement with the rejection comment, in part because you did not specifically address what made the subject fail notability. While yes, it is true that there are sources cited that might not necessarily be the most reliable, the sources that are cited for what makes him notable (i.e. his film producing and acting credits, along with his medical credentials) do come from reliable sources. In addition, for much of the information that said unreliable sources were used for, they were used in conjunction with other, more reliable sources. I ask you this, if all the information that is only cited by problematic sources were removed, do you believe that the subject would still totally fail notability? The core of his notability is that he is a film producer and an actor that has created multiple feature films and has a strong medical background. I can simply delete everything that is cited by IMDb, Linkedin, and Vimeo and resubmit. ~Junedude433(talk) 19:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Junedude433 to clarify, the draft was declined, not rejected. Rejection means it will no longer be considered while decline is "not yet". The sources listed in the decline are not reliable so should not be used. Both WP:NACTOR and WP:NCREATIVE required "significant" or "major" roles acting in or creating multiple notable works. For the work to be notable it must also meet Wikipedia's notability criteria (see WP:NFILM) which generally means there is already a Wikipedia article about it. The Black String is the strongest from a notability perspective but is likely not enough. His scientific publications do not meet the citation criteria (see WP:NPROF). That leaves WP:BASIC which requires in-depth coverage about him from multiple independent reliable sources which currently do not exist in the draft. I suggest focusing less on his medical background and more on the his most significant work along with sources that have written about him/his role(s). For example, I would remove his publications, trim and combine his medical and military background, remove minor roles such as an intern, small acting roles, etc. so it is more clear. Regardless, you are welcome to resubmit and have another reviewer review it. S0091 (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't his production involvement in both The Black String and Devil's Whisper count as multiple notable works? ~Junedude433(talk) 18:41, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Junedude433 Associate Producers generally are not consider a "major role" like main or Executive Producers (too far down the totem pole) and multiple is often interpreted as more than two but that can also depend on the significance of the work. For example, an Oscar Award winning film is automatically meets the "critically acclaimed" bar. Outside of that type of acclaim, it is the significance of the overall body of work and the significance of the person's role in creating that body of work. S0091 (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Shepit, Chernivtsi Oblast

Dolishniy Shepit and Shepit are two different villages, they have different articles on the Ukrainian Wikipedia. I mean, it could be another reason why the draft is not suitable, and this is why I was hesitant accepting it myself, but I do not think this one is valid.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter thanks for letting me know. I have reverted my decline so the draft is back in submitted status and removed the decline from the user's talk page. S0091 (talk) 16:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sure, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:25, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter for my education, is their a specific meaning associated with the words/terms "Shepit" and/or "Dolishniy"? S0091 (talk) 20:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I think Dolishniy is "lower" or "in a valley"; about Shepit I do not know.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter Thanks, that's helpful. So something like Shepit Valley versus Shepit, distinct places which are likely neighbors given they appear to be in the same district. S0091 (talk) 20:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, exactly.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Submission Declined: For We Are Many (Film)

Hi there,

I wanted to double check the meaning of your comment "Needs reviews". Do you mean that if fans of the movie left their reviews on, say, IMDb, that would be sufficient?

Many thanks

Jo Pawson JoJoPawson (talk) 01:40, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @JoJoPawson apologies for not being more clear. It needs reviews from nationally known critics, per WP:NFILM. IMDB is not a reliable source so should not be used (see WP:IMDB). Thanks for asking! S0091 (talk) 16:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @S0091

Thanks for letting me know, it's much appreciated! Will get that sorted, then resubmit.

-Jo JoJoPawson (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Add photo to new Wiki page

Hi S0091 - thanks for all your help to get this new page published (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Phan). I can't figure out how to add a photo + the quick summary that I see on many wiki pages for Biography of Living Persons. For example, I'd like to add a photo + the details below in the square that's often on the right hand side of wiki pages for persons.

Born: July 30, 1962 (age 59) Da Lat, Vietnam Education: University of California, Berkeley Occupation: Chef and Restaurateur Spouse: Angkana Kurutach Children: 3 Website: https://slanteddoorgroup.com

Tried searching for the how to but couldn't find. Appreciate your guidance, thank you!

Hi @Aduong810: you are looking for what is called an infobox. I found one specific for a chef, {{infobox chef}}, which contain parameters (fields) for Cooking style, Restaurants, etc. You might want to play with it your in sandbox first which is your own practice area (top right of your screen you will see a Sandbox link, click on it to create a your sandbox). The easiest way to add an infobox is in the editing window using Source editor (pencil icon off to the right) select the puzzle piece icon (Insert a template). A search box will come up search for "infobox chef", select it, then the parameters will appear (Name, Date of birth, etc.). Images are tricky because of copyright laws. Generally, you need to be the person that took the photograph. See the Image use policy for more information. Also, the Teahouse is a great place to get help if run into issues as their are editors around 24/7 so likely to get quicker answers. Of course, you are always welcome here too. Don't forget to sign your messages with the four tildes (see sign). S0091 (talk) 16:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Submission Declined Draft; Priya Ahuja

I have given every possible article and details about Priya Ahuja career. Please check once again. And if possible please let me know how can I correct it so that it can moved to mainspace. Qpms (talk) 15:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

tech question, notes to article prepared for resubmission

Dear S0091:

Technical question: I managed to create a table of contents that works, but the wording then reappears unnecessarily nearby in the article. Could you tutor me here?

I am ready to resubmit Bruce Burdick Designer. Some of the defects you called attention to (listed below) are solved or partially solved. Some, despite my best efforts, can’t be. I may, of course, also have failed to understand some of your suggestions.

1. Find three reliable sources and make them your principal databank. I found two lengthy retrospective articles with many full-page photos – one in Graphis magazine (2005) and one in Print (1989). I cite each one multiple times. Unfortunately neither one is available online. I could send you pdfs if I knew how. There is no single exhaustive source, such as a biographical book, that I could selectively cite to document everything that needs to be said. I know this is a black mark on the notability score.

Why? Exhibits, even in museums, do not stay up forever. Burdick scattered exhibits across the globe in a period of 40+ years. No one except Burdick could have seen more than one or two. No scholar or curator could ever revive them, much less experience a visit. Both of the longest articles are basically interviews, illustrated by photos. I do think Burdick’s huge body of work deserves to be acknowledged in Wikipedia. But I can only document the exhibits and the attention they attracted via multiple mentions in many different (reliable) publications.

2. Find articles or other sources that cite Burdick by name. This is kind of impossible. None of these exhibits was signed in some splashy way by Burdick, only in the fine print somewhere. Every reference is about something designed by Bruce Burdick, whether he is named or not.

3. Make the article sound like an encyclopedia, not an essay. Here I am in the dark, I admit. I pruned out a little redundancy. I tried to make the article a little more pointed, emphasizing Burdick’s pioneering effort to use computers to make exhibits interactive.

Suggestions?

Basgar Peverel (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Basgar Peverel

Hi @Basgar Peverel Much better! I am not sure what you mean about the Table of contents. Its placement is the default placement (under the lead section). Sources do not need to be online and you have appropriately cited them with adequate information so someone can verify it so you are good there. Also, interviews are fine to provide context, fill in gaps, etc. I understand what you are saying about exhibits. I liken to work by Christo and Jeanne-Claude or Banksy (his is signed but temporary in nature, no doubt much has been undocumented and lost) but, of course, they get press. The issue is verifiability which is a core Wikipedia policy so you do have to prove he is credited for the exhibits, which it appears you were able to do for some but maybe not all. I know you know it to be true but anyone needs to be able to verify via published sources. Still, what can be verified may be enough and I will some do some digging myself using sources provided by the WP:Wikipedia Library such as Newspapers.com, JSTOR, Proquest, etc. If you have already searched through any of these, let me know so I don't duplicate your efforts. Also, don't worry the prose. It does need some copy editing but most of the articles that exist now could benefit from some copy editing and it doesn't have to be perfect. Wikipedia is inherently a work-in-progress. This is going to take me some time, perhaps weeks, so I ask for patience. In the interim, you are welcome to go ahead and submit it. There are benefits in doing so such as getting another reviewer's take (could get accepted, at worst a decline with some additional suggestions) and others editors may make improvements while it is pending review (the benefits of crowd sourcing). As it stands now it could take up to three months for it to be reviewed. S0091 (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, very hopeful. If I understand you, the notability question and the reliable source problem is more or less solved. I will go to work on the verifiability question. I see your point. I don’t think it will be too hard. But won’t it clutter up my references? Could I just send my documentation to you, without adding to the article? Probably not. It sounds as if you are willing to power through to the finish line with this, and I appreciate it. I’ll hold off resubmitting.

The exhibits are easy. I think all the furniture and retail I list have been written up too. If there are exceptions they can be omitted.

I appreciate your offer of research! Let me do it, it’s mostly there, I suspect.

The Table of Contents problem, plus photo placement tips, were solved by another editor! Basgar Peverel (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Basgar Peverel the one thing to understand is that none of this is about me so you can send me documentation but that is meaningless for the other thousands of editors and millions of readers, so the if sources are not accessible (library, order the book, etc.) then it doesn't matter. In this instance, I don't that is an issue. Largely, you have cited the sources appropriately so anyone that wanted to find them could. From a reviewing stand point, reviewers are tasked with assessing if an article is likely to be nominated for deletion by any editor at any time because it does not meet notability (see WP:AFD, several articles are nominated daily, some years old). With that said, I have found sources to help with verifiability so please see the changes I made and my edit summaries in the history. I have also started a discussion with you on the draft's talk page page so can continue our our discussion there. The benefit of the draft's talk page is it will remain for eternity with the article where anyone can see it (now or 10 years later) so if either of us have sources we are not sure about they can be put there so later someone may be able to utilize them along with the discussion as a whole. Here is it just you and me. Based on what you have added and what I have found, please do click that submit button. S0091 (talk) 23:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I did click resubmit.

Basgar Peverel (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Basgar Peverel

Resubmission of Draft:Eva B

Hi, You objected to Draft:Eva B for use of peacock terms, I have removed most of them and tried to reduce the impact of flash terms. Please review it again has been submitted. Also point out if there is some thing else wrong with the page. --Dr Shahzad Bhatti (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dr Shahzad Bhatti, you have resubmitted the draft so another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 19:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Can you explain me what is wrong with my page?

Dear, could it be possible to explain me what is wrong with my page so I can fix it and make it work. -InformationIsEverything2021-InformationIsEverything2021 (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@InformationIsEverything2021 I have reviewed hundreds of drafts but I am sure I left a note if I declined yours so please read through all the material in the message. S0091 (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Help!!

I have tried my best to add the sources regarding Priya Ahuja ( known as Rita Reporter on the show Taraakh Mehta Ka Oolta Chashma) , please let me know what other sources are needed to be added so that it can be moved to mainspace. Please help so that it can be moved to main space. Qpms (talk) 06:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Qpms you need to show she meets the notability guidelines for actors meaning that she has had significant roles in multiple notable films or shows. I do not think she meets the criteria because most of her roles have been minor but you are welcome to resubmit the draft for another review. S0091 (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

bruce burdick refinements

S0091: These are excellent ideas. I’m traveling now until April 5, but I would have some time to work on this next week.

All the things enumerated in the article won prizes. All the prizes sound pretty much the same: Design Excellence, etc. They are listed on the www.burdickgroup.com site. I think the Time Magazine recognition and your discovery about the film Wall Street are much better signs of the desk’s reception. For what it’s worth, Google also revealed that the desk was used as futuristic furniture in an episode of Star Trek.

About photos of the exhibits: I could get any of the photos in the Graphis article from 2005, I hope, from Burdick’s widow. She was a little vague about whether they were work for hire or whether permission from the photographer would be required. Most of the exhibits are documented with photos in my AIGA archive footnotes. I omitted exhibit photos for the following reasons: These commissioned photos look like furniture showrooms. There are no people in them, and they look very busy visually, because the photographer tried to get everything in. Further, the designs tend to look a little dated in 2023. So to me they do not read as an invitation to come in. In fact, because of their interactive character and the intensive work that went in, the exhibits were, in my experience, very welcoming and interesting down through several layers of commitment. Burdick says in one of his interviews that he learned from Charles Eames to hunt up clients with lots of money so that the exhibit budgets would be big. He did, and the exhibits were broad and deep.

Try looking at the Graphis article again and see what you think. They certainly document the fact that the exhibitions existed. I might be persuaded to substitute an exhibit photo for the poster. I was impressed that the poster is by Seymour Chwast, and it was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons by the Smithsonian Design Museum. Thanks and thanks again for your commitment to this.

Basgar Peverel (talk) 14:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Basgar Peverel

Despite my initial resistance, I am working on the changes you suggested. This requires getting hold of some pictures and getting them into the public domain. Basgar Peverel (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)Basgar Peverel

@Basgar Peverel please do not feel obligated to act on my suggestions, unless I state something is violates Wikipedia policy or something like that. At this point, to me, notability is not an issue but I do want another reviewers opinion thus the reason I am not accepting it myself. (That and there are different rules for you once it becomes an article). Anyway, the images will not determine if the article is accepted or not. Also, there is no deadline so take your time. I am assuming you did not imagine this would be the time consuming endeavor it has become and you, like the rest of us, are a volunteer even if you have a personal connection with the subject. As far as the exhibits looking dated, that is part of the historical record and helps to provide context so I wouldn't worry about that. Take a look at Apple Computer for which in part is what he was designed the desk to accommodate. :) However, you may correct in that the images available of the exhibits may not really convey his design in a valuable way. While Proquest did have the Graphis article, it did not it provide all the images (just 3 pages) so I cannot view them but that's ok. I will happily rely on your opinion. The Star Trek use a great find! Isn't it interesting these little tid bits you find when you dig around? We can't use his website for the awards but did find a source for the desk. I just didn't want add another source if it was already in one you cited. And speaking of the desk, I think it could be its own article but one thing at a time. Happy travels! S0091 (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

thanks for your consideration. On balance I don’t think I’m being a very good historian if I’m editing Burdick’s work to suit my own taste. So I’m trying to get a couple of suitable photos uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Basgar Peverel (talk) 14:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

draft: Alfred Milner timeline

Hi, this is the second time I've submitted this draft. It is unusual in that a normal wikipedia list will not work (a wikipedia list would replace the line item numbers with a list that updates automatically with editing. However, the software is limited. It will erase both the table of contents and bullet points I added throughout the work). I hope I can avoid damaging the file contents by leaving it as is. In its present form, it is user friendly.

Next, I was told the file has too much intricate detail. With Alfred, I made the timeline as complete as possible. This will substantially aid future researchers, because at Doullens Town Hall, France, on March 26, 1918, Alfred Milner and Georges Clemenceau united the Western Front under the command of General Ferdinand Foch. This decision won the war, which would have otherwise been lost. It was Alfred's decision to select Foch; Clemenceau was against him, he preferred General Pétain, a defeatist general.

The previous editor thought I may have been biased in my writing. Although I use his namesake, I am not related to Lord Milner (I live in the United States). Also, each of the 883 line items in the timeline has at least one, but more often than not, more than one footnote. Also, I used over 50 sources, and most are used often, so the content is not confined to one, or even a few, books.

Last, I was told the information may appeal to only one, or a few people. With this, I can only say that Lord Milner was involved in a history changing moment, and his life and deeds should be recognized. Today, people forget that there was a First World War, an Edwardian Era, and even a British Empire. This file brings it all back, and allows those who are interested to relive the moments. Lord Milner made Empire Day an official holiday: Link

I hope I addressed all the issues. If not, I will add them below. Lord Milner (talk) 20:18, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the attempt at fixing the numbers. I have copies of the original file, so there won't be a problem reloading it. Again, the limitation here is with Wikipedia's rigid software. Lord Milner (talk) 06:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

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: Submission declined: Draft:Ruscism No sources.

Thanks for your recommendation. I have read all links that you recommend. I have add sources and some cites. Hope I am on right way and soon we would get new article maybe with neologism mark.13:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DmytroKov (talk • contribs)

Submission declined: Draft:Paul Lee (environmentalist)

I have made major edits to include only clauses that are heavily verifiable, and can included more sources corroborating if needed.... I have tracked down authority control links for Paul, on the Library of Congress, Worldcat and ISNI... Garrett.stephens (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Request on 05:04:55, 10 April 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Dopeious

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  • Draft:2022 Vienna Vikings season (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Are you serious? For every information there are other reliable sources. In this article, twitter is not the only source given. The submission should be accepted immediately.

Dopeious (talk) 05:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dopeious the suggestion in the AFD was to wait until the season started but you are welcome to submit again to get another reviewer's assessment. S0091 (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification. But I cannot understand then, that the article 2022 New York Jets season is cleared for submission with one generic source. Furthermore, the league officially started with mandatory activities. Dopeious (talk) 15:19, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dopeious I cannot answer why WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but I understand the frustration. Also, I could be wrong in my assessment of the AFD and the sources provided which is why I suggest resubmitting it. Although, I also suggest replacing Twitter with better sourced if possible. S0091 (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I followed your suggestion and removed the twitter sources completely. The process of adding sources and refining the article will go on. Thank you for your understanding and elaborating your point of view. Dopeious (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense @Dopeious. I also added a comment because I did not want it to come across as you being stubborn or disruptive with your resubmission. Good luck! S0091 (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Starting Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile Article

Do you trust these sources: https://www.ign.com/articles/rainbow-six-mobile-announced, https://9to5google.com/2022/04/05/ubisoft-is-bringing-rainbow-six-mobile-to-android-and-ios-registration-open-now/, https://charlieintel.com/rainbox-six-mobile/169947/? Also i can not remove the submisson rejected messages from the space to the infobox at.

Thanks, Jay852

Hi @Jay852: IGN is generally reliable but 9t05 is simply regurgitating what Ubisoft says about the game (not independent). Charlie Intel is a marketing/promotional site is is not reliable (per their site: "From media to custom branded content, we collaborate with partners to engage fans with credibility, leveraging our platform insights to inform our creative executions."). This is why I pointed to you to WikiProject Video games (see also WP:WikiProject Video games/Sources). The draft was not rejected ("never") but just declined ("not yet"). Once better sources are available you are welcome to resubmit but do not remove the notice as that is against guidelines and will get in you trouble. You are welcome to seek advice there or at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 20:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Jay852 (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

S0091 What did i do wrong i never used that website at all? Jay852 (talk) 20:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852 The content I removed from the draft was word-for-word what was in that blog. Wikipedia has a tool to find copyright violations and this one was a hit. It does not need to be a source used in the article. It was only a few sentences; however, we often find entire articles/drafts that are copied/pasted from some other source or website. In those instances, the entire page is deleted. For this one, only the revisions that contain the violation will be permanently deleted (referred to as WP:RevDel). Again, I don't think it was your intent to do anything wrong and overall the draft is structured and flows well so don't be discourage by the decline or the copyright issue. Of course, do not repeat the copyright violation again. S0091 (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

So what do i need to change? Jay852 (talk) 20:42, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852 This is what I removed. An administrator will review my RevDel request and if they agree it will be deleted, after which only an admin will be able see the deleted content so take a quick look. If the content was not important, then no need to do anything but if it does need to covered you will want to rewrite it. S0091 (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks good to me. Proceed. Jay852 (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It was in the works as soon as I "tagged" the draft as copyright violation, @Jay852. Once an admin deleted, you will a large portion of the history (see History tab on the draft) will be "struck through" and no one except another admin will be able to access those revisions in the history. S0091 (talk) 21:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Jay852 (talk) 21:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Is Tom's Guide a good source? Link to article: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/rainbow-six-mobile-just-got-me-excited-for-smartphone-games-again Jay852 (talk) 21:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852 I do not see it listed as an acceptable source at WP:WikiProject Video games/Sources but better to go to WT:WikiProject Video games as ask there. Just post a note like you did here stating you are trying to create a draft for Draft:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile (put double bracket around the the name like [[Draft:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Mobile]] so it will link) and you are having trouble identifying good sources. S0091 (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Link to article: https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ubisoft-has-announced-the-free-to-play-rainbow-six-mobile/ Jay852 (talk) 21:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jay852 Mostly what Ubisoft says so not independent. What they have to say (or any person/entity affiliated with them) does not matter. And again, you should ask for help at WikiProject Video games. They know what sources to use and how to find them. Also, I will not be available for a few days (we are all volunteers) so best to post somewhere where there are multiple editors likely around to assist. S0091 (talk) 21:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Jay852 (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your help. Jay852 (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Mistake.

Hi S0091.

I made mistake press Publish Changes, while editing my article. I'm making corrections to my article for approval, also wanting to change title. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:B9D0:4D50:1504:6E18:3287:D559 (talk) 22:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

The title can be changed when the draft is accepted so no worries about that or hitting Publish Changes by mistake (we have all done that). You can go into the History and click "Undo" which will undo the entire edit or simply update it. S0091 (talk) 22:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thankfully Yours! 2600:1700:B9D0:4D50:1504:6E18:3287:D559 (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Ha! I am wrapping it up for the day and will not be back on for few days. It may take a couple days or so for someone respond at the WikiProject so be patient and good luck! S0091 (talk) 23:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Ugh

Sorry that UPE went after you when they were aiming for me. So much anger over a spam article. Star Mississippi 01:22, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi No need for you to apologize. I have been called worse and likely you have as well unfortunately. Normally I would not respond but feared them resubmitting the draft then going after yet another reviewer when declined so I wanted some kind of record on their talk page. At the end of the day it was handled thanks to the community. Appreciate the note and all that you do around here. S0091 (talk) 22:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Happy to cleanup as needed. Have a great day! Star Mississippi 16:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Archives

Just a thought, but finding archived discussions on your talk page is somewhat difficult due to the lack of link to said archives. It's by no means mandatory, but I thought I would mention it since I had to go through quite the journey to find this discussion. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Primefac apologies for causing unnecessary extra effort. Clearly, it just never occurred to me. I have updated my header to the one you use, which I also had not noticed until I looked and one that is overall more helpful than what I had. Thanks for dropping by and bringing this to my attention. S0091 (talk) 22:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Declining the page Draft: Spick Media Network

I'm not paid by anyone and i do not care about this page. The only error i did is, i created an article by researching them through recent articles that were published in a news website. But you are saying me that I work for them. Anyhow, Good Bye 🙏 RajendranMCV (talk) 17:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@RajendranMCV you state in your edit summary here "I'm rajendran from Spick Media. We've done a survey with a huge team and you can get the detailed report with caste wise data in our website. We've also done many more surveys before and our last one was for Tamil Nadu & Kerala Assembly Election. Kindly go through our reports before undoing it. We are in the field for more than 7 years and predicted 10+ elections correctly.". I don't think there could be any clearer indication you have financial interest with Spick Media. Being paid does not prevent you from contributing to Wikipedia but it does change how you contribute to articles in which you have a financial interest and you are required by the Terms to declare your paid status. That is non-negotiable and failing to do so will lead to you being blocked. S0091 (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm ready to share my bank data here. If you can prove that I was paid, then you can delete the page. The reason why I said that is, i wanted some more data's to be included in this draft page. But it was rejected. It's your wish to reject or accept. I feel the rules of wiki doesn't apply when you simply reject even after quoting the data's that are required to the article in the page. Thanks 🙏RajendranMCV (talk) 18:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@RajendranMCV please keep the discussion on your talk page. S0091 (talk) 18:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Rejection of Na'amod article

You have rejected the Na'amod article on th basis that there are not enough independent sources

and yet there are citations from Haaretz, the Jewish News, Dazed, and The Guardian over several years. The Organisation is quoted only when referring to its values

you appear to discount those citations because Na'amod members are quoted in those articles. That could equally be taken as a sign of the significance of the organisation. If an organisation has existed for several years and is regularly being quoted in significant British Jewish , Israeli or British Newspapers.

I'm puzzled as to how to get round this Catch 22. Neverseek (talk) 17:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Neverseek the Haaretz is an opinion piece so not usable for notability. It is fine to use to support content about that person's opinion, though (but it needs to be clear it is an opinion, not fact). I agree with your statement that being interviewed or quoted is a sign of significance but, per guidelines, not usable for notability because at the end of day Wikipedia does not care what a subject has to say about itself. For notability what matters is what reliable sources have to say about a subject. The trick is when reviewing a source is remove anything coming from the subject or their affiliates and see what is left. In reviewing the sources provided, there was not much left. Also, it is very important to understand the draft was not rejected, which means "no", but only declined, which means "maybe but not yet". Are there any additional sources available that have written in-depth about Na'amod? I suggest trying Google News (use quotes for the search, like "Na'amod") and the sources do not need to be in English. Choose the ones that have the most in-depth coverage (a guide is WP:THREE). Also, be mindful of the neutral point of view policy. If there has been criticism of the group that needs to be included as well (I noted there was mention of criticism in one of the sources provided). S0091 (talk) 18:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Could you review Draft:Ülo_Varul

Faster than Thunder (talk | contributions) 01:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Hall_(English_playwright)

Hello, I've done as you suggested and added four mainstream newspaper articles about my subject or his work as a note on the Talk page. Best wishes. SkylarWoodward (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC).

Gregory Hein

Hello, thanks for reviewing the article draft. I followed these notability guidelines (Wikipedia:Notability (music)), of which I believe Gregory Hein meets:

• Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.

Also, under recordings (regarding the notable composition requirement):

• The recording has been certified gold or higher in at least one country.
• The recording has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.

I believe the RIAA-certified Gold and Platinum status fulfils this requirement. Please let me know if you took these points into consideration when reviewing the article, and if I'm missing something with this.Jacobmcpherson (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Jacobmcpherson I did take the RIAA status and Grammy nomination into consideration but note the notability guidelines state "may meet" and further states Where possible, composers or lyricists with insufficient verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article should be merged into the article about their work. This is where I think Hein fell. There was no in-depth coverage about him to support what is generally expected of a biography and most likely would not survive WP:AFD. S0091 (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Can you please help me understand why the sources aren't verifiable? The sources link Hein to the notable works as a co-writer, and Grammy nomination. Jacobmcpherson (talk) 16:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)