Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions

Autopatrolled approval rate

I've gone through the last 12 months of archives to check how many applications there are for autopatrolled and at which rate those get approved. Here are the results:

month	approved	denied
Apr-21	4	4
May-21	13	14
Jun-21	6	8
Jul-21	5	5
Aug-21	9	11
Sep-21	2	14
Oct-21	3	8
Nov-21	16	8
Dec-21	36	8
Jan-22	17	5
Feb-22	5	5
Mar-22	2	5
total	118	95
	55%	45%

There are some editors who, after receiving feedback, are encouraged to try again a few months later. So some are in those stats twice. Schwede66 09:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Review of autopatrolled

Moved to WP:AN

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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User:Sakiv, I assigned autopatrolled back in January 2020 and given the ping from your talk page, I went to have a look at your latest contributions. What I see are several new articles without any references. What's up with that? You would be aware that unreferenced articles is a no-no. Can you please let us know if you would like to do something about it? Because if this isn't rectified, autopatrolled would have to be removed. Schwede66 02:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

I've gone through a dozen articles now. I try not to leave any article without a source, but most of it is about seasons before 2010, so it takes more time.--Sakiv (talk) 14:51, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Based on the poor conduct I've highlighted on my talk page, I would advocate for revocation of autoreviewer as a minimum, with removal of reviewer being a distinct possibility for apparently not being able to distinguish vandalism from good-faith actions. I recognise, however, I should not be the one to do it based on his statement that I am engaging in harassment for criticism of conduct. Sdrqaz (talk) 16:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Schwede66 It seems that no action has been taken on this situation yet. (t · c) buidhe 23:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

If someone really wants to follow up on this, this isn't the best forum - WP:AN can handle it as it requires an admin to change it, and it is about the behavior of a specific editor. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Sakiv, I've set autopatrolled to expire in late August 2022. At that point, or shortly before, please post at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled and somebody will review your latest contributions. For anything else, please take action as per xaosflux's suggestion if you consider this necessary. Schwede66 23:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding your complaint on my talk page, Sakiv:

• Please keep discussion in one place and don't start a new one elsewhere.
• I had looked at maybe five of your recent articles and, if my memory serves me right, three of them had no references. And that is totally incompatible with being autopatrolled. Since you asked about it on my talk page, at the time of my review, the following articles were unreferenced:

• 2004–05 Deportivo Alavés season
• 2022–23 Stade Malherbe Caen season
• 2022–23 S.S.C. Napoli season

• Please add categories to Latvia national football team results (1991–2019)
• Please omit empty headings as I've done for you at 2022 WAFF Futsal Championship and many other articles I've just looked at; this is a frequent issue with your articles
• Please don't leave bare URLs behind, e.g. at 2022–23 S.S. Lazio season (and that's not the only article I had to tag)
• Many of the articles that I've looked at had a single reference only

Regarding your note I didn't create any articles lacking references after that notice, I did not accuse you of doing so. I told you that you should never do that in the first instance and that I found 3 out of 5 unreferenced is a major red flag. When users do this, chances are they may continue with this, hence it is necessary to keep an eye on this. And now that I've had a closer look at a good number of articles, I find an issue with 1 out of 2. That is not good enough and for now, I shall remove autopatrolled. Please do come back at some point in the future (even the near future; say once you've created another two dozen articles) and ask for a review. And just a reminder what autopatrolled is for: this is a flag given to users who consistently create clean articles that do not require review by others. Please try and create clean articles. The rate at which you pump out new articles gives the appearance of a rushed job. I suggest you aim for more quality over quantity.

And regarding your note The dispute with the administrator is not even related to Verification, but rather the nomination of pages for speedy deletion, I have no idea who you refer to by "administrator". But regardless, you are right. The issues that I'm raising are totally independent of any other disputes that you may have; this is all about the requirements for meeting autopatrolled. Schwede66 01:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

All of this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't pinged you on his talk page. I don't know what its purpose was but I feel like something inconvenient. I can't continue my work here feeling like everything I'm doing is bad and unwanted. This is not the atmosphere I want to work in. I am not the only one who creates articles that need some tags. This is expected from many. I have been an autopatrolled for more than two years and have not misused this permission. Your way of tracing my contributions is not convenient and indicates that I am disruptive not an active user for seven years. What happened today will be followed by actions on my part because I do not know what is happening. At first you convert the autopatroller to temporary and then revoke it completely. This is not encouraging at all to me.--Sakiv (talk) 01:33, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Autopatrolled is not for your benefit but for the benefit of reviewers. Autopatrolled articles essentially need to be "perfect" and if they need tags, then they do need some review, so autopatrolled is not appropriate. Galobtter (pingó mió) 01:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

You say: everything I'm doing is bad and unwanted. No, that is most certainly not the case. You add a lot of value. You create many new pages. That's all very commendable. But you focus on quantity over quality and it's not in line with the requirements of autopatrolled. It's still a most valuable contribution. It's just that it requires review by others. I suggest you slow down a bit, do a more thorough job, and you'll get autopatrolled back in no time. Schwede66 01:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Schwede66 said in his summary discussed with user that unreferenced articles is a no-no and this has now been rectified; will review the situation in three months' time. I don't know that happened afterwards.

• Midnight Cop, created by an autopatroller, contains no sources since 26th.
• 2022 UEC European Track Championships, created by an autopatroller, no citations.
• 2022 Leinster Senior Hurling Championship Final, created by an autopatroller, no citations.
• Lot (fineness), created by an autopatroller, no citations.
• List of ports in Iran, created by an autopatroller, no citations.
• Sara Fernández Roldán, created by an autopatroller, no citations.
• Pierre Pasquier (colonial administrator), created by an autopatroller, no citations.

I demand an explanation from @Schwede66: to my concern about what happened after the first action.--Sakiv (talk) 02:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure. After you posted on my talk page (asking me to explain: where are the articles without references?), I took the time to have a closer look so that I could answer your query. That's when I discovered that the problem went further than what I had seen previously. Schwede66 02:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the Latvia results, I was busy developing the article and added the category minutes after your edit. I also filled in the URLs for the Lazio, Alaves and PSV articles minutes after your edit as well. Regarding section headings, these sections will be filled with information after a short period of time, and this is regular with many of my fellow editors. The bottom line is that I have responded to all your concerns and have not ignored them. We are here to cooperate and discuss and nothing has to be done quickly. I think it is a misunderstanding. My comment on your discussion page was before I realized that you just switched the autopatrolled from permanent to temporary. And I thought that the topic was related to the most recent articles after the notification.--Sakiv (talk) 02:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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Interesting Handling of Rollback

I find it quite interesting, that rollback is a rank/right granted basically only to admins by default.

The German Wiki allows rollback by everyone. I can't quite understand why confirmed users don't get access to this feature, as it basically equals going to an older revision, copying the source and pasting over existing source.

Or did I get that wrong and other rights are associated with this as well.

Btw. (temporary) Edit protection would still stop rollback-vandalism/editwars.

Do you have a statistic on manual (e.g. copy over existing source with older source) reverts?

Why have you decided to manage rollback rights in this manner?

I also have some unrelated questions which you can answer on my User page:

- How can you import version history or complete articles from other language wikis (into userspace)?

I assume that you have right tools and I dont quite get the translation tool, either. The German wiki has a import request page (and associated rights "Importeur" can import any version length articles and Admins by default up to I thing 500 or 1000 edit history entries. Feuerswut (talk) 22:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)