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Autoreviewer

Hi, after seeing a few of your articles at newpage patrol, I think you are ready to have your account flagged as an wp:Autoreviewer. So I've taken the liberty of doing that. ϢereSpielChequers 16:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! I'll do my best to make sure that this decision is justified! P Aculeius (talk) 22:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Quintus Pomponius Secundus

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		Awarded on April 20, 2010 to User:P Aculeius for his excellent work on Quintus Pomponius Secundus. Gaius Octavius Princeps (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

You turned an ancient Roman stub into something informative and sourced. Quintus would be pleased. Thanks for the effort! Gaius Octavius Princeps (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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	i am studying the origin of pomponi Paolo Pomponi (talk) 11:13, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello P Aculeius, I apologize for the delay but i take a my holiday. Is very interesting what you say to me. I would like you to visit Earthology as i am writing it. I am sure that your question it will be.. but what that match with Pomponia GEN? good question. Well the root of this world it seems to be replicated during the history. Please inform me if you are confident to use google earth i can share as well the wiki project into geo browser and show you that Mr. Pompous Pienomos is a man that can teach history in Geo Space. Of course we have a laboratory of artificial intelligence research and it will be my pleasure to cooperate with a Man that have huge knowledge about Pomp Words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pumpu (talk • contribs) 09:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Belated greetings for the new year

Best Wishes for a Happy New Year! May 2013 bring you rewarding experiences and an abundance of everything you most treasure. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2012 (UTC) Victory, Janus, Chronos, and Gaea (1532–34) by Giulio Romano

Ack! I was leaving new year's greetings the other day, and I had this terrible feeling that in my haste I was skipping someone whose contributions and collegiality I rely on and wanted to acknowledge. You always take the time to make well thought-out comments, and it's much appreciated. Best wishes, Cynwolfe (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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		I happened across your major expansion of Curiatia (gens) during a recent changes patrol and thought it deserved recognition. Awesome work! Stalwart111 04:58, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

• Oh, and apologies for the unhelpful change at List of Roman gentes - just random link "fixing". You obviously have a good system going! Keep it up! Cheers, Stalwart111 08:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem, considered just rewriting the original when making the new article, but didn't want to throw out the contents, and decided merger would be easier than gradually reforming a relatively short article. P Aculeius (talk) 14:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely; understood that when I saw your subsequent work. Cheers, Stalwart111 21:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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... to say after your years of awesome contributions to classics on Wikipedia: Welcome!  davidiad { t } 05:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Filiation question

Hi P Aculeius! Looking at Annia gens, I notice that some of the filiations are in parentheses--which I assume means the relationship is inferred, not attested--while some I would expect be in parentheses--I know some of these are inferred--aren't. Do you try to note this? Do you care? (I'm content either indicating this or not.) -- llywrch (talk) 00:08, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I usually followed the sources I was using at the time. If it's pretty clear and not disputed, the parentheses aren't necessary. But of course some sources take for granted what others consider dubious, and some authors are more scrupulous about reporting doubts. Feel free to revise them accordingly, if you feel sure about any of them! P Aculeius (talk) 01:09, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

"... a misguided effort at NPOV"

Nope (diff). My edit summary said "poor style", and that's what it is, as far as I'm concerned.

In Chapter 6 of How Wikipedia Works, the point is expressed this way:

A discovery may be called highly significant or just significant. If you think about it, significant can be more impressive. Why? Perhaps because the general reader doesn't want to be bombarded with superlatives but would like to understand the main stages of a development.

That small style guide is something I co-authored. It goes onto say "Understatement also helps with neutrality", which is also true, and why I think our house style should favour it. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Except that in this case, it's not merely a detail worth noting, but a very important distinction—in fact just about most important there could be. There's no issue with neutrality here; nobody's being puffed up or diminished by emphasizing how important the distinction is. Unlike your edit summary, which was personal and insulting, and on which you've doubled down on the target's talk page. Your appeal to authority is ill-advised. "I wrote the rules, therefore I decide whether something offends them", is a lousy way to defend hypercorrectness—and rudeness. If you think something could be better worded, there are better ways of going about it—and better ways of explaining what you're doing without insulting other editors. P Aculeius (talk) 17:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm. Firstly, here is your edit summary:

Undid revision 1020131939 by Charles Matthews (talk) Evidently a misguided effort at NPOV. The adverb in question doesn't harm neutrality; it emphasizes the importance of the thing—saying merely "significant" actually seems to downplay it.

Secondly, I'm not often reverted. When I am, I always follow up, because if there is something to be learned, I want to learn it. Not clear I have learned anything so far. I could have cited MOS:PEACOCK, but the range of examples there doesn't cover the particular point.

So, I said nothing about NPOV. There was nothing personal in my edit summary. There was in yours, which was off-beam also.

I _think_ "highly significant" would be better as "very marked", because social distinctions often seem highly significant in an insider way, but have trivial significance to outsiders.

I also think the significance can be dealt with better in the body of the article. In fact if you want a timeline, highly significant -> somewhat significant -> not so significant, I imagine it is more helpful to the reader if you do so in a verbose way. The lead can be concise on such matters. It gets question-begging otherwise.

The last time I had this kind of hostile experience in coming to a user talk page for a revert discussion, it was for replacing a "however" by a "but". Honestly, I think Wikipedia generally needs tighter writing.

Charles Matthews (talk) 19:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps if you adopted a less hostile stance when people disagree with your choice of wording, you might not find them responding in kind. The fact that you chose an insulting way of making your change, and then responded to its reversion by coming to my talk page, quoting my edit summary, and taking absolutely no responsibility for your own, while repeatedly asserting that you're a better writer and that other people simply aren't up to your standards—or Wikipedia's, by implication, simply comes across as haughty and dismissive. Perhaps you should consider that other people's opinions might be just as entitled to consideration as your own.

But you could have avoided this confrontation simply by choosing a less-combative way of dealing with the situation: instead of telling everyone how bad the wording was—thereby giving the impression that the use of an adverb to suggest great importance was inherently wrong—you could have explained that you felt that "highly significant" would have no more, and perhaps less impact, than "significant" in itself. But not only didn't you do that, but you failed to consider, and still seem unwilling to consider, the fact that "significant" may not sound that important to many readers, who regard it as no more than the opposite of "insignificant"—not necessarily of paramount importance. Your edit might still have been reverted, but at least it would have been reverted due to the actual intent of the edit, rather than due to the belief that you objected in principle to the use of an intensifier—which certainly would have been hypercorrectness.

Coming to my talk page would have been justified if you wanted to clarify your point. But instead it was mainly a complaint about how such a block-headed writer could revert an edit by a shining light of Wikipedia, when the wording I thought preferable was so obviously bad. Alluding to policies that clearly don't apply in an apparent effort to prove that you should never have been challenged, claiming that you're the great authority who should never be challenged, and that being challenged is such effrontery as to be a memorable occasion in itself, is simply arrogant. It may surprise you to know that other writers are just as careful with their wording as you, and that you're no less prone to ambiguous wording, subject to improvement, than they are. I find that if something is a distinct improvement, I generally leave it alone; but in this case the meaning or emphasis of the passage was changed in a way that appeared to undercut the intended meaning, and that seems like a suitable reason for reverting the edit.

If you had come here simply to suggest a better wording, or ask for my reasoning, this conversation might have gone very differently—but instead you wrote that your wording was right, my wording—or at least the wording I reverted to, as I have no idea whether I originally wrote the sentence that way—was wrong, poor style, harmful to readers, and that you're the best judge of whether you're right or wrong, so how dare I revert you? I suggest that a different approach would be more productive. P Aculeius (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, that's a certainly a rhetorical mouthful, which does not (however) address two concrete points I made about the wording of patrician (ancient Rome). Let's sum up, beyond the bristling:

• Per the comment you have made "I have no idea whether I originally wrote the sentence that way", the concept that all of this discussion is to be personalised seems ill-founded.
• My reference to "poor style" is to do with concision rather than anything else. That article gives some commonplaces from standard style books on superfluous words. What I cited from HWW was introduced as a personal take. It turns out that you disagree with the idea that the word "highly" is superfluous in this case.

If I hadn't thought that my edit was a typical subedit, I wouldn't have made it a minor edit. Charles Matthews (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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It may be of your interest that I merged two articles you wrote, with the result being Appius Claudius Crassus Inregillensis Sabinus. Avilich (talk) 17:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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Accidental revert

Sorry about the revert, I misclicked after realizing too late I was in the wrong place. Avilich (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Umbrians, Picenians and Celtics

The complete name of the region where Pisaurum is was called "Umbria et Ager Gallicus": the wiki-map you talk about shows it: it included two different areas, and Pisaurum was in the second one. Pisaurum (please, read about this town, even on wikipedia) has never been an Umbrian town. Even if you want to believe the region denomination was already in use during Accii's life, this WAS NOT an ethnical denomination: Pisaurum was never part of Umbria: was a Picenian town. The complete name of that subregion was but was Ager Gallicus Picenus (it means: ager gallicus previously controlled by Picenians). I think you should find a good source to say that Accii could have Umbrian blood: we couldn't say that Welsh people has Anglic blood because Welsh is in England, could we? Sabinettus (talk) 18:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. You're looking at the wrong map. It's clearly labeled "Umbria" and includes Pisaurum. The label "Ager Gallicus" crosses the border between the regions of Umbria and "Cispadane Gaul", and refers to neither a geographic division nor a component of Umbria. But more importantly, the fact that the town was in Umbria doesn't mean that everyone who lived there was ethnically Umbrian; Umbria included many other peoples, including Etruscans from very early times, Gauls from around the beginning of the fourth century BC, and doubtless Picentes. The article you want to change to fit your preferred nomenclature—or to reject some you dislike—isn't referring to Augustan regios or later Imperial subdivisions, but to general historic areas as shown on the map I've been referring to—which shows Picenum extending south and east of Umbria and Sabinum along the coast from Ancona to Hadria.

From your continuous reversions, it sounds like it's very important to you to prove that the Accii weren't Umbrians. Do you have any reliable sources for this? If so, please identify and cite them in the article. Simply insisting that Pisaurum wasn't part of Umbria, when our reference sources show that it was, isn't good enough. P Aculeius (talk) 18:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't really know were Accii were from, but surely, if they were from Pisaurum, they did not live in Umbria. You can read many books about Pisaurum'region, and nowhere you read it called simply "Umbria": if you read it, you read "Umbria and Ager Gallicus". If the map seems to exclude Pisaurum from the Ager Gallicus, I think that Titus Livius is enough to say that the map is wrong:-) Sabinettus (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

• where Accii were Sabinettus (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, in my opinion, the previous text, saying "of Umbrian origin" let it think of an ethnical identity: the phrase "of that region" (however we call it) can solve the ambiguity Sabinettus (talk) 20:02, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

A last word about the map you talk about: you can find it under the wiki-page "Roman Italy" and it is shown with these words: "Northern and southern section of Italia under Augustus and successors". Sabinettus (talk) 20:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

It agrees with me that we should not use it for the Republican age, and the map actually seems to show the same boundaries of Augustean division.

Sorry for my too long posts. Sabinettus (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

The map appears to reflect general geographic designations of the Republic as well as during Augustan times—and more importantly, it doesn't use Augustan or later Imperial terminology for most of them. And you don't seem to be reading what the article says: it doesn't say that the Accii were Umbrians, it says they might have been Umbrians, or something else from one of the neighboring regions. We have reliable sources placing Pisaurum in Umbria, and none placing it in Picenum—all the article says is that Pisaurum was in Umbria, which is correct. The Clauss-Slaby Databank also lists inscriptions from Pisaurum as being from Umbria/Regio VI (using both Republican and Imperial-era terminology), and if you look at our article about "Regio VI Umbria" (which says "also called Regio VI Umbria et Ager Gallicus", meaning that "Umbria et Ager Gallicus" can be referred to simply as "Umbria"), there's a map at the very top that indicates geographic regions of Italy to the time of Augustus (i.e. the Republican period), which clearly shows Pisaurum within the boundaries of Umbria. So there really is no argument to be made that Pisaurum wasn't in Umbria, and no evidence of the origin of the Accii except that some of them were from Pisaurum and neighboring regions. As a result, I can't see why you're so dead-set against the article mentioning that Pisaurum was in Umbria and that it's possible that the Accii were Umbrians. P Aculeius (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

nothing of what I wrote is not corre t, so there is no reason to cancel it. My sources are Livius and Svetonius. I have no words Sabinettus (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

The Ager Gallicus is *not* a separate region—it's clearly labeled in the map as a small coastal area of Umbria and Cispadane Gaul. Please stop insisting that Pisaurum wasn't in Umbria when it's clearly so identified and treated by everyone else. P Aculeius (talk) 23:24, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

You deleted all my writings asking me sources (you could ask me them without deleting, but, however...). I gave you lots of sources, but you surely did not read them, because you deleted all them. I think I won't write on english wikipedia any more, where probably too few people are intested by these themes (you are the only writer of the page, I see, and we would carry on to delete each other's writing for ages... that's a lost of time!). I wish you could learn italian language, a day, so that you can understand the sources I gave you and you didn't understand. I really forgive you for your bad manners. I will not answer you anymore nor read these pages Sabinettus (talk) 01:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Please, the both of you, remember that the administrative reform that creates the Regio Sexta has nothing to do with an ethnic issue: Umbri, as an ethnic group, are not Piceni, and the reform doesn't enroll Piceni into Umbri. Simply, under a merely administrative point of view, with the reform Pisaurus is included in the Regio Sexta, that's all. When talking about people from Pesaro before the reform, you can simply call them Piceni, when talking about people after the reform, you could call them Umbri but only if you attach such an explaination to it (but however I would suggest to avoid confusion, the main and wide shared meaning for "Umbri" is the ethnic one). Greetings :-) --g (talk) 12:38, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Replied to your topic on the article's talk page, and revised the origin section in a way I hope will satisfy everyone... P Aculeius (talk) 14:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Roman naming conventions

The next time you make a rollback of this kind you should bring reasons that have some basis in fact. The image you rolled backed has nothing to do with Roman naming conventions, and as anyone with any knowledge of these matters knows it's not even a realistic image of an Etruscan. Which would be the reason to put the photo of a barbiton player in that page? Did the Etruscans spend all their time playing musical instruments? --Tursclan (talk) 18:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The facts were stated quite clearly in the edit summary. You replaced the image of an Etruscan—viewed by everyone but you as an appropriate image of one (but not a photo of one; photography had yet to be invented)—with a poor-quality, low-resolution image combining mismatched portions of a badly-damaged fresco stretching more than halfway across the page, and accompanied by a ridiculously long caption containing lots of details about Etruscan—not Roman—names, at a point in the article where the analogous topics about Roman onomastic practices had not yet been introduced. What possible reason could there be for the image that was selected, and which you've removed? It's a generic image of an Etruscan, at a much better scale and of much higher quality than the image that you've replaced it with, and unaccompanied by a long caption containing details that don't belong at this point in the article. Does the fact that the painting is of a musician imply that the Etruscans spent all their time playing musical instruments? Well, I didn't think so, but if that's the case, then your image implies that the Etruscans spent all their time murdering each other in violent civil wars. However, I assume that isn't your contention; so neither is the bizarre notion that the original picture was misleading because it depicts a musician. P Aculeius (talk) 04:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I completely disagree, it's a random image that has nothing to do with this article. The fact that it is of better quality has nothing to do with it as well, since there are dozens and dozens of images of better quality. I invite you to stop rolling back until consensus is found. --Tursclan (talk) 12:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

There is no consensus, the discussion has just begun, I remind you that the article is not your property, if you continue like this I will report you to the admins. I'm going to check the article as well, because at first glance there is also a problem with the sources. --Tursclan (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Please don't threaten to report people to admins just because you're not getting your way—you haven't responded meaningfully to anything I've said here or on the article's talk page, and it was pointless to carry this argument on in both places—as I said on the article's talk page. There is no "problem with the sources"; the article has been edited and reviewed by numerous editors with experience in Roman onomastic practices, who have read and are familiar with the sources. I'm not claiming that it's perfect or beyond improvement—but if you begin dismantling it in order to replace good sources with your own preferences, like you have with the picture, you'll simply be creating more problems for other editors to clean up later. Please discuss major changes on the article's talk page, and not here. P Aculeius (talk) 13:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright, we'll just continue in the article talk only. FYI I'm very busy these hours, and I'm not done with the discussion yet. So please wait until a consensus is found between the two of us, a consensus that does not yet exist. We continue in the page talk. I'll be back as soon as I can. Thanks.--Tursclan (talk) 13:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

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(Junia?) Aurunculeia

Hello P Aculeius, I would like to have your input on where (if anywhere) this lady should be listed. Her first name is seemingly disputed (per 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) so I am unsure of if she should be listed on any gens page.★Trekker (talk) 12:51, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

I was able to view all but one of the linked items—I'm going to assume that number 5 (or was it 4?) probably doesn't say anything that isn't in the others. PW probably doesn't give any additional clarity—did you have the chance to look? The numbers following one of the first sources might be references to both "Junius" and "Aurunculeius" in PW. My feeling is that she should probably be listed under both, with a footnote explaining the uncertainty about her name. Perhaps also under "Vinia gens" when that's created, but there's no rush on that.

As for an explanation of her name: I was going to say that I wasn't sure adoption could even be a likely possibility, since the chief purpose of Roman adoption—at least as mentioned by Roman writers—was to provide heirs to carry on the name and status of a man without surviving sons. But the one or two instances I see cited for the proposition that women could also be adopted into another gens make some sense, and the Junii were certainly important enough that adoption into that gens could have provided a significant advantage. The notion that she was a sister of Aurunculeius Cotta, and that he was replaced by a Junius after his death during the Gallic Wars might have something to say for it—there may be some important connection that we don't know about.

I would not dismiss the possibility of "Aurunculeia" as a metronymic—while these are mainly attested from imperial times, this could just be an early example; the Junii were a very large family, so it may have been a convenient means of distinguishing her from other Juniae.

Nor can we really be certain that "Vinia" is an erroneous emendation—certainly the reverse seems more probable than "Vinia" being mistakenly substituted for the more common "Junia". If it is correct, then the suggestion that it could also be an error for the praenomen "Vibia" makes some sense—this name does appear at Rome. However, women's praenomina are only infrequently attested in Roman families—and "Vibia" seems much less likely than more common praenomina, at least amongst the Roman aristocracy.

Ultimately, I think that "Junia" is likely either her name by birth or adoption; Aurunculeia either her father's name or a metronymic; Vinia a possibility, but perhaps an error for a praenomen. This doesn't really resolve anything, does it? But that's why I would list her under both "Junia" and "Aurunculeia", and perhaps "Vinia" when that's been created. You can probably use the same note explaining the uncertainty in each place. P Aculeius (talk) 14:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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I wanted to say a special thank you for your participation on Christianization of the Roman Empire as diffusion of innovation. I am so grateful! You are intimidatingly awesome! Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Artoria Gens and Lucius Artorius Castus

Hi Aculeius,

I don't know if you are the moderator/owner of Wikipedia.

an anonymous user 2603:8000:cf40:2edb:493e:259e:9091:86c8 states that LEGG means detachments. I found inscriptions where VEXILL LEG means detachments of the legion. In trismegistos LEGG is an abbreviation of Legions (https://www.trismegistos.org/abb/list.php?abb=LEGG&abb_type=exact&abb_word=&abb_word_type=exact&abb_length=&abb_size=&freq=&comb=AND&search=Search). I think this user is hiding important information by saying that my last edit is a per theory.

Some users in the page of Lucius Castus deletes information coming from a peer-reviewed article on JIES published in 2019. I consider Wikipedia a serious encyclopedia. I hope I'm not wrong. Thanks. Emryswledig (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not taking sides between your edits and those of the editor opposed to them, because I'm not familiar with the sources cited and don't have sufficient expertise to evaluate them. There are ways to get input from other members of the community: I suggest starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, where our best classical scholars can suggest an answer. However, as a general matter, anything that isn't widely accepted by the scholarly community, or which depends on your own interpretation of a source, including the original inscription, is liable to be considered original research, in which case it may not be included in an article. The community determines whether a claim is backed up by scholarly sources, or appears to be the original research of editors, so your understanding of this particular inscription may have to be discussed, either on the talk page I linked above, or more specifically at talk:Artoria gens, although you may still wish to post on the WP:CGR talk page in order to draw other editors to the Artoria gens talk page to participate in the discussion there.

Your post here suggests that you're not that familiar with Wikipedia and its policies. Wikipedia doesn't have "a" moderator or owner, in the sense of a single editor—and there's no good reason why you should have thought that would be me. The use of article talk pages to discuss potentially novel or controversial ideas, and resolve disputes between editors, is standard procedure. Generally, when the inclusion of something proves to be controversial, you need to achieve some kind of consensus before it can be added to the article, and that usually means discussing the matter on the article's talk page. The fact that another editor disagrees with you doesn't mean that "important information" is being "hidden". It means that your understanding of the sources, or their reliability, is in dispute—and that's why you should discuss them on the article's talk page. Not everything that's published is reliable, and not every interpretation of a reliable source is reasonable—or beyond dispute. Try opening a discussion on the article's talk page discussing the specific issues in question, and perhaps notifying the community at Classical Greece and Rome about the discussion, so that more people can weigh in, and with luck, achieve consensus for one version or the other. P Aculeius (talk) 11:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for weighing in, P Aculeius. This individual is known to me and other WP editors - he is one of the co-authors of that JIES paper that he mentioned above and he has multiple sockpuppet accounts here on Wikipedia and on Facebook, where he has recently been publicly plotting with his co-authors to change articles on Wikipedia to push their bizarre, fringe theories. He is a very persistent troll! 2603:8000:CF40:2EDB:493E:259E:9091:86C8 (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not a troll. show your name please. Maybe you are a troll. And you hide known information. Emryswledig (talk) 07:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

This really isn't the place for you to battle it out. I suggest you do this at talk:Artoria gens, and stick to the specific points of disagreement, if you want anybody else to be able to follow your arguments (this goes for both sides). The more complicated you make it, the harder it will be for anyone else to weigh in, so try to reduce the arguments about the inscription to the most basic points—you can always provide further discussion if needed, but the more people have to read in order to grasp the issue, the less likely they are to participate in the discussion. What's needed here is external input. And bickering about each other and who's using what alias or pursuing what agenda won't help anybody else resolve the issue. P Aculeius (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Aculeius. Sorry for this. 95.251.1.22 (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Most of the debate (including proof of the bad faith editing of Emryswledig a.k.a. Artoriusfadianus a.k.a. Alessandro Faggiani, one of Linda Malcor's co-authors and attack dogs on Wikipedia, Facebook, and other online communities) is occurring in the talk page for Lucius Artorius Castus; Alessandro is editing any related article, embedding all sorts of crazy stuff in them, in order to support his and Linda's latest fringe paper and upcoming book on Lucius Artorius Castus, so multiple good-faith editors are involved in undoing the mess he has created. 2603:8000:CF40:2EDB:31EF:E809:1C73:5F3 (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)