Talk:List of Super Bowl champions

Wild Card indication

I think we should add an indication to the wild card teams (like the World Series article has) and change this:

Super Bowl championships

Game	Date/Season	Winning team	Score	Losing team	Venue	City	Attendance	Ref
XV	January 25, 1981 (1980)	Oakland RaidersA (3, 2–1)	27–10	Philadelphia EaglesN (1, 0–1)	Louisiana Superdome (2)	New Orleans, Louisiana (5)	76,135

to this (for all 10 wild card super bowl teams, can change Buccaneers after Super Bowl is over):

Super Bowl championships

Game	Date/Season	Winning team	Score	Losing team	Venue	City	Attendance	Ref
XV	January 25, 1981 (1980)	Oakland RaidersA (3, 2–1) [W]	27–10	Philadelphia EaglesN (1, 0–1)	Louisiana Superdome (2)	New Orleans, Louisiana (5)	76,135

And for the 1969 Chiefs change this:

Super Bowl championships

Game	Date/Season	Winning team	Score	Losing team	Venue	City	Attendance	Ref
IV	January 11, 1970 (1969 AFL/1969 NFL)	Kansas City Chiefsa (2, 1–1)	23–7	Minnesota Vikingsn (1, 0–1)	Tulane Stadium	New Orleans, Louisiana	80,562

to this:

Super Bowl championships

Game	Date/Season	Winning team	Score	Losing team	Venue	City	Attendance	Ref
IV	January 11, 1970 (1969 AFL/1969 NFL)	Kansas City Chiefsa (2, 1–1) [S]	23–7	Minnesota Vikingsn (1, 0–1)	Tulane Stadium	New Orleans, Louisiana	80,562

And add this after the references list:
^S Indicates a team that made the playoffs as a second-place team (rather than by winning a division).
^W Indicates a team that made the playoffs as a wild card team (rather than by winning a division).

References

Super Bowl LVII incorrect date in table

While reading through the article, I noticed that there is an error in the table that shows when each Super Bowl was played. If the Super Bowl will now be held annually on the second Sunday of February instead of the first Sunday of February, then that means the date for Super Bowl LVII (57) would be on February 12, 2023, not on February 5, 2023, as listed in the table. Someone should correct that. JdhWrGrad2020 (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of 17:19, 23 January 2022‎ by Sabbatino ‎→‎Super Bowl wins by conference

@Sabbatino:

user:Sabbatino says breaking out "Wins by conference" information is: "That's completely false. Super Bowl and NFL Championship Game are two different things + the win-loss by conference is already listed in the section below"

===Longest streak by conference===
*[[National Football Conference]] - 13 wins, [[Super Bowl XIX|XIX]]-[[Super Bowl XXXI|XXXI]] ([[1984 NFL season|1984]]-[[1996 NFL season|1996]])
*[[American Football Conference]] - 5 wins, [[Super Bowl VII|VII]]-[[Super Bowl XI|XI]] ([[1972 NFL season|1972]]-[[1976 NFL season|1976]])

This argument for removal is inconsistent. First, if it's false, then the win-loss record needs to be corrected in the rest of the article. If it's not false, but anything listed elsewhere is superfluous, then everything beyond the first section "Super Bowl championship (1966–present)" is superfluous.

The purpose of a listing article is to apply different algorithms to a table of information into smaller and more useful snippets of information without the reader having to physically calculate the larger table for each field themselves.

Breaking out a section for conference wins & losses is just as informative, if not just as superfluous as breaking out wins & losses by team, or calculating consecutive wins & losses by team.

The information in each of those sections is laid out in the table at the top, but has been broken out for ease of use, but if the reasoning for not including something is because it's already available, then all the sections beyond the original table is unnecessary and should be removed as well.

Finally, nowhere in the article is consecutive wins by conference calculated, however it is a valid question that should be answered without the reader having to physically calculate the streak every time they wish to figure it out (as happened to be the question posed in a bet the night before I added the information to the article. - 399scout (talk • contribs) 22:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@399scout: I have not received a ping from you (but I see that it is here). First of all, NFL≠NFC and AFL≠AFC, which is a clear violation of WP:OR. Secondly, the very first table at List of Super Bowl champions#Super Bowl championship (1966–present) lists the wins by NFL and NFC versus AFL and AFC. Thirdly, there is a List of Super Bowl champions#Consecutive wins section, which lists the consecutive wins by teams so I do not see the reason why the same information regarding NFL/AFL and NFC/AFC could not be listed in that section. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: - Just because you don't like the information doesn't make it false or irrelevant. WP:DBF WP:OWN. Your argument conflicts with the commonly accepted (and retroactively applied by the NFL) standard that the first 4 Super Bowls have been recognized by both the individual teams and conferences as legitimate Super Bowl wins. You can't claim WP:NOR when the information presented is basic arithmetic (WP:CALC) of the information offered in the article itself. I'm happy to work with you to find acceptable wording to present the figures but if you're stuck on continuing to simply removing the edit without making a valid argument why it isn't relevant, or where it should be placed instead, I'm happy to take this up on WP:DRN. - 399scout (talk) 00:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@399scout: You should refrain from making personal attacks towards me (accusing me of WP:DBF and WP:OWN). Meanwhile, I assume that you used to edit under a different account, because you certainly know what you are doing by mentioning policies and guidelines... Moving on to Your argument conflicts with the commonly accepted (and retroactively applied by the NFL) standard that the first 4 Super Bowls have been recognized by both the individual teams and conferences as legitimate Super Bowl wins. – this can already be found at List of Super Bowl champions#Super Bowl championship (1966–present) ("Championships table key and summary" and "Super Bowl championships" tables). There is absolutely no need to repeat the information that is already present on the page. In addition, consecutive wins by conference can easily be listed at List of Super Bowl champions#Consecutive wins, because there is no mention that this section is solely about teams (however, I am still against listing such trivia). And keep your threats with WP:DRN to yourself, because you ignored WP:BRD and thought that WP:EW is the way to go. I also notified the editors of WP:NFL about this discussion (since this page is directly tied to that WikiProject), because you did not notify them (or did not want to). – Sabbatino (talk) 15:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: - Speaking of personal attacks, I am a relatively new editor and this has been the first time anyone has ever reverted an edit of mine and accused me of including fake information. I'm only following your example in regards to proper protocol and have actually read they redirects you refer to. You're the one who started the personal attacks by stating my calculations were false, and started the WP:EW by failing to follow your own recommended WP:BRD that states WP:ROWN. If you had simply said "consecutive wins already listed, streak would work better *here*", this would have been over. I KNOW the the conference wins are already listed. you're the one that said it was wrong (which I thought you meant I needed to clarify with the citation). The point is that no where in the article are the conference streaks listed and just hanging out by its own seemed weird. As for WP:NFL, I have no idea who they are so am happy you have included them. - 399scout (talk) 09:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

...You're the one who started the personal attacks by stating my calculations were false... – that is not a personal attack nor did I say that anything is false. WP:BRD specifically says that you must start a discussion when you get reverted (ant not the other way around). I will repeat again that if you want to list the streak then do it at List of Super Bowl champions#Consecutive wins but do not create a new section that duplicates the already existing information. WP:NFL is a project that handles American football pages (articles, lists, categories, etc). You can read more about what a WikiProject is at WP:PROJECT. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: - ...nor did I say that anything is false... - You literally said "That's completely false" at 17:19 on 23 January in the summary of your revert. Frankly, I'm over the lecture about proper protocol from you since you still deny accusing me of putting up false information, and that is absolutely a personal attack. Had you started out more diplomatically, followed WP:ROWN, and conducted this discussion in a civilized manor, there never would have been any suggestion of fanaticism. I couldn't care less about about this page or most of the stats presented here. I simply followed WP:BRD by adding information I came to wiki to find (how long was the NFC streak in the 90s?), and not finding it anywhere else, assumed someone else might be interested and boldly put it up on the one page that gave the information to calculate said information. Your actions have completely soured my experience here and don't care if anyone else comes looking for that information again, I want nothing to do with this page. If you actually want anyone to take your advice regarding wikipedia seriously, I suggest looking in the mirror and following your own advice rather than attacking other contributors. 399scout (talk) 20:30, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

The article's called "List of Super Bowl champions" & that's what the content is & should be. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want, add such info to the List of NFC champions & List of AFC champions articles. GoodDay (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay: - I'm sorry, I don't understand what position you're arguing. Are you saying everything beyond the raw data is superfluous and should be removed...because that was my question above. If you're saying which conference has the most championships doesn't belong in a list of champions, then neither does "Teams with no Super Bowl appearances", "Teams with long active Super Bowl appearance droughts", or "Teams with Super Bowl appearances but no victories". If only champion teams should be listed, the name of the article should be "List of Super Bowl championship teams", and should not include "Consecutive losses" or "Consecutive appearances" either. Also how would a tabulation of Super Bowl wins by conference be more appropriate in List of NFC champions & List of AFC champions? - 399scout (talk) 09:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I'll the two of you figure it out. GoodDay (talk) 15:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2022

I want to fix the box where it lists the NFC and AFC wins and losses and update them to 56, NFC 29 and the AFC 27 Bigman4566 (talk) 18:18, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done casualdejekyll 14:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

undone, it was correct as it was, the AFL-NFL Super Bowls doesn't count here--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh. Whoops. Didn't catch that. casualdejekyll 18:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Mistake on Champion of Super Bowl XLIX (2014 season)

As a Seahawks fan the Malcolm Butler Interception is still very present. The score is the wrong way around, the Patriots won 28-24 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLIX) TheoBa (talk) 19:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

The New York Jets were the 1st AFL/AFC team to win a Super Bowl. The Packers were part of the NFL and today a part of the NFC.

See above and correct.

I actually believed everything on wikipedia was “fact” 209.172.251.101 (talk) 04:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)