Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fall Mountain Regional High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Fall Mountain Regional High School

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High schools don't get an automatic pass anymore. There doesn't seem to be anything that distinguishes this particular one. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and New Hampshire. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete I'm on the fence about this one because I did find some stuff but it's mostly local pieces, so I'm leaning towards delete, but only slightly. I did want to share what I found just in case someone else can build upon these sources and make an argument for keeping the article, but at present I don't feel it's quite enough. [1][2][3][4]. This book is a non-local source that uses the school throughout the book as an example, going into some level of detail in the way the school has done things. This book discusses the school and its students making efforts to help and document after a flood, but it's a book written by the local historical society with a small local publisher. If someone can find something a little more substantial (or ideally even national in coverage would be great) then I'd be more than open to changing my delete comment, but as it stands with what I was able to find, it's not quite there in terms of meeting WP:GNG for me; the sources I was able to find are for the most part local interest pieces rather than truly independent sources, and these I've shared are the best I was able to find, there's a lot of sports/theatre/band announcements and other noise that I wouldn't consider contributing to notability in any way. - Aoidh (talk) 05:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
• Keep: I added two sources quickly. An American high school of any size is very rarely if ever going to fail AFD unless there's been some recent radical change in AFD outcomes.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

• Some radical change, such as a February 2017 RFC (see WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES), which came to the conclusion "that secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist, and are still subject both to the standards of notability, as well as those for organizations."? Clarityfiend (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
• Those two sources are local interest and not high on independence of the subject. For the 1966 one it could not be more trivial of a mention, and for the 1967 one, a local high school has a graduation? That is as WP:ROUTINE as possible. Neither of those show notability for the subject. - Aoidh (talk) 23:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
• The 2017 RFC, oh, ok, I'm aware of that. I never understood to rule to be automatic notability. I don't know what y'all want, i could find more sources but based on Aoidh's most recent reaction, you're gonna need to spend the rest of your time on Earth at AFD trying to delete high school articles which will keep returning no matter what we do.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• The subject fails WP:GNG and the sources provided don't show otherwise, it's as simple as that. I really don't know what you mean about spending the rest of our time on Earth at AfD; this is a single AfD discussion about a single article which must stand on its own merits in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, especially those surrounding notability. If an article is constantly re-created after deletion when notability has not changed, the article title can be salted, so that's not a concern, nor is the threat of constant article re-creation a reason to keep this or any other article. - Aoidh (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• From my 15 years of editing on this website, I know articles get recreated all the time no matter what. but that's a feature of wikipedia, not a bug! I could add 100 more references to this article from regional newspapers, but I guess you'd say they aren't meaningful enough. Its ok for us to disagree, indeed its a tradition! The debate about high school articles on wikipedia is just shy of 20 years old, with the first known deletion discussion in March 2003, I actually dug through the history a few years ago out of personal interest, User:Milowent/History of High School AfDs.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 12:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• It's not that local sources can't show notability, it's that for this school the local sources that do exist are mostly routine things like graduation announcements and theatre productions in the local paper. I went into this AfD expecting to say "keep" because I do agree that prima facie, American high schools are generally notable. It's just that this particular one doesn't have any demonstrated notability. Believe me, I looked. I spent somewhere over half an hour looking for sources for this because I was in denial that I couldn't justify my keep argument. The above sources I shared are quite literally the best-of-the-best in terms of what I could find, and in my viewpoint that's not enough. I'm not being facetious when I say that I would be more than happy to have sources be shown that make me change my rationale to a "keep", but if those sources exist, I wasn't able to find them. - Aoidh (talk) 13:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

• I've added a bit more, and I do appreciate that your !vote is only based on leaning slightly in favor of deletion.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep, I guess per WP:IAR (how does deleting this article improve the encyclopedia?)—I prefer erring on the side of preservation for public secondary schools if notability is borderline. There are enough sources to write an informative start-class article, with nontrivial information about history in particular, not just trivial stuff about academics, and that's enough for me. Ovinus (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
• Keep - I missed Milowent's reply to my last comment above initially, and only just noticed when Ovinus commented above which showed up in my watchlist. I'm striking and amending my rationale from above. The JROTC/Washington Post stuff that was added since my last comment doesn't by itself make a super strong case for notability, but I think that when added with the third-party book it does create a weak argument for notability via WP:GNG in that it shows multiple different non-local sources discussing various different aspects of the school, so it's a broad enough scope of coverage that it does create an argument for notability. - Aoidh (talk) 20:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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