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'''Nagorno Karabakh Republic''' ([[Armenian language|Armenian]]: Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետություն), short name '''Nagorno Karabakh''' [[Azerbaijani language|Azerbaijani]]: '''Dağlıq Qarabağ''' or '''Yuxarı Qarabağ''', literally "mountainous Karabakh" or "upper Karabakh"; [[Russian language|Russian]]: '''Нагорный Карабах''', [[Transliteration of Russian into English|translit.]] '''Nagornyy Karabakh'''; [[Transliteration|translit.]] '''Lernayin Gharabagh'''), historically known as '''[[Artsakh]]''' ([[Armenian language|Armenian]]: '''Արցախ'''), is a region of former [[Azerbaijan]] Soviet Socialist Republic, in southern [[Caucasia]], located about 270 km (about 170 mi) west of the Azerbaijani capital of [[Baku]]. This predominantly Armenian populated autonomous region had been placed under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan by an arbitrary decision of Stalin in [[1923]]. Karabakh has declared independence from [[Azerbaijan]] on [[December 10]], [[1991]] and established Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR). The NKR's [[Sovereignty|sovereign]] status is not recognized by any country in the world.
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| align=center colspan=2 | ''Map of the region. ''<small>(Orange area indicates Armenian-controlled territory)</small>
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| [[Stepanakert]] / Xank&#601;ndi''
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| [[Arkadi Gukasian]]
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| [[Dram (currency)|Dram <small>(AMD)</small>]] (Armenian)
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| [[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]] +4 ([[Daylight Saving Time|DST +5]])
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| '''[[Top-level domain|Internet TLD]]'''
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This is [[User:Tony Sidaway|my]] '''[[User_talk:Tony Sidaway|talk page]]'''. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Tony_Sidaway&action=edit&section=new Click here to leave a new message.]</div>
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==Manchester/Birmingham==
Well done for deleting this nonsense. Hope you don't run out of energy to keep doing so. [[User:Cutler|Cutler]] 22:19, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)


The region's area is 4,400 km&sup2;.Last official demographic data for this region have been received as a result of the Soviet population census in [[1979]]. At that time the general population of Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region was 162,200 persons from which 123,100 were Armenians (75,9 %), and 37,300 - Azeri (22,9 %). The region had no border with the neighboring [[Armenia]], being separated from it by a narrow strip of the [[Azerbaijan]] land (so-called [[Lachin corridor]]). The capital is called ''[[Stepanakert]]'' (''Xank&#601;ndi'' in Azeri).
==Robert the Bruce's RFAr==


The name of this small region, which was a little known outside of the Soviet Transcaucasia up to the end of 80th years of [[XX century]] century, now has concentrated in itself fierce ethno political and geopolitical disputes which in combination with other reasons have led to disintegration of Soviet Union.
Yes, I had the same thought on receiving Calton's message. I naturally assumed that this was an allegation made as a result of past conflicts, and repeated during the case, rather than a new and unexpected suggestion - I thought that Calton and Exploding Boy would be fully aware of the suggestion from past interactions with Robert the Bruce. That was probably naive on my part. In future I will be more careful to ensure that those involved are fully aware of such allegations. Live and learn... -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 13:11, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


The war for Nagorno Karabakh became the longest and one of the bloodiest conflicts in states-successors of [[Soviet Union]]. According to last estimations, it has killed 15000 people, and the number of refugees has exceeded one million.
Whatever, Tony, it was just a joke, if you take offense, make it gone. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 14:20, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


From the point of view of international law this conflict is an example of contradictions between two fundamental principles: on the one hand, rights of people for self-determination, and on the other hand, a principle of territorial integrity according to which the state borders can only be changed under the peaceful agreement of parties involved.
== My user talk page ==
I was asked not to remove things from my user talk page? I archive them. Like line above. :P
Anything that happens in my Talk is my problem. I want to archive all my comunications. My talk is after all mine :P. I merely want to keep a history. People are welcome to clarify and add stuff to their words, fix xpselling errors etc if they care. Ther are welcome to pull their arguments back. I dont see why I shoudlnt. Archive them. If they submit COPYRIGHTED work or items that are not allowed on wikipedia, I definately will not archive them. I'll remove them myself. I however welcome spelling and grammer corrections. --[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]] 18:12, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


'''Not going down deeply in ancient and medieval history, nevertheless, it is necessary to notice, that the Armenian party can present impressing number of neutral sources which testify, that Armenians prevailed in region during more than millennia. The Turkic population has appeared there not earlier the beginning of [[XVIII century]] century, having established eventually the board above the Armenian majority in the form [[Karabakh khanate]], included in structure of Russian empire in 1813.''' During soviet time, as well as in imperial Russia, administrative borders of Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region do not coincide with ethnic borders.
==[[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|No personal attacks]]==
Please do not restore personal attacks. If you do so, you're party to the original attack. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 11:39, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
* Perhaps you should let a neutral 3rd party decide if that was a personal attack, or censorship on your part. It looked like the latter on my part so I restored the speech. &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']]) 18:27, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Nagorno-Karabakh became a subject of the dispute between [[Armenia]] and [[Azerbaijan]] in [[1918]] when both countries declared independence from Russia. Azerbaijan claimed sovereignty over the province and sought to conquer it with help from the [[Young Turks]]. Territorial dispute has not been resolved until [[1920]], when both young states became part of the [[Soviet Union]], and actually lost their independence due to the actions of Russian communists (Bolsheviks). In [[December]], [[1920]] the Azerbaijan communistic government has dropped former complaints on Nagorno-Karabakh and some other territories populated by Armenians, recognizing these territories as part of the Soviet Armenia.
==Censorship==
The template on [[Oral sex]] is no censorship, since I didn't remove anything, only added --[[User:J heisenberg|J heisenberg]] 11:59, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)


However, later the Azerbaijan new Soviet government has renewed the complaints and has addressed them to Moscow for support. On July, 4, [[1921]] so-called Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party has voted for inclusion Nagorno-Karabakh into structure of Armenia. But next day, on July, 5, the new session of Caucasian Bureau has reconsidered its first decision in favor of Azerbaijan and ordered to place this territory under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan. This part of resolution of the Caucasian Bureau has been implemented in [[1923]], when Autonomous Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh was formed.
:''I removed the templates because they are misleading. See the site content disclaimer. Wikipedia as a whole is emphatically not child-safe.''


Supporters for the Armenian position frequently emphasize, that resolution of the Caucasian Bureau from July, 5, [[1921]], was obviously accepted under the Bolsheviks pressure, and, in any case, this resolution contradicts with the principle of self-determination and cannot be considered as valid: the problem should be solved by the countries, which it directly involves, and not by the Committee created specially for this case and inside the ruling party of the third country.
::How is [[Monetary policy]] not child-safe? Prolly 95% of WP are perfectly child-safe.--[[User:J heisenberg|J heisenberg]] 12:07, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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:::''Whether [[Monetary policy]] is child-safe is neither here nor there. Wikipedia as a whole is not. It would be wrong to state that any part of Wikipedia can be browsed by an unattended child. Links within Wikipedia can take the child to sections that are not "child safe". --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 12:13, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)''
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::::Neither here nor there I don't understand: disputed? However, if, as I would say, many sections of WP are perfectly child-safe, it would be correct and factual to mark others as not so. A link would take you to a page with the message, so no problem there.--[[User:J heisenberg|J heisenberg]] 12:17, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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==Acting as a proxy for Everyking==
When [[Mikhail Gorbachev]] has come to power in Moscow and has started the campaigns of publicity and democratic reforms in the end of 80th, the question of Nagorno-Karabakh reemerged. Encouraged by universal relaxation of political restrictions after decades of government repression, Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh now have decided to address the problems to the international and Soviet heads. Complaining about "forced Azerification" of the region, the majority Armenian population started a movement to transfer it to Armenia. The conflict has been strongly burdened by the massive anti-Armenian pogrom organized in the Azerbaijan city of [[Sumgait]] at the end of February, [[1988]] - the first explosion of ethnic violence in the newest [[Soviet]] history.
I believe if you assist Everyking in violating an Arbitration Committee decision you could fairly be subject to the penalty he would have been subject to should that be the determination of any administrator. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 02:21, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

== My profile page ==

Thanks for the edits, feel free to add other wikipedia articles that I should enforce :) --[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]]|[[User talk:Coolcat| My Talk]] 15:35, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)



== Everyking clarification ==

The Everyking clarification is finalised. Basically, the AC meant the harsh version: if it's information relating to [[Ashlee Simpson]], it's included - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 17:10, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Rutgers redirect==
Thanks for doing what I would have done had I the time earlier, and would have probably done later this evening. &mdash;[[User:ExplorerCDT|ExplorerCDT]] 21:44, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Personal attacks==

I don't really like that you removed the personal attacks, because not only is that bit about removing them not even policy yet, it seemed germane in proving to others that Everyking may be goaded into doing some of the reverts he does, by Calton's unfortunate and inconsiderate behavior. [[User:TheCustomOfLife|Mike H]] 22:46, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

== [[Ondes Martenot]] ==

Boy do I feel stupid. Sorry about that, and thanks for fixing. I'll try to be more careful. -[[User:Lethe|Lethe]] | [[User talk:Lethe|Talk]] 23:31, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

No problem. It made me laugh out loud, I have to admit, when I finally realised what had happened.

By the way, I don't think Christiaan deliberately removed the comment. Probably just an edit conflict that he missed. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 00:01, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==User page==
You're welcome, Tony. Hope it all works out for you. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] 20:51, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

==[[Kemal Atatürk]]==
Hi - sorry, all I did was archive the talk from [[WP:RM]] - I didn't move anything, and I hadn't noticed that the talk was on a different page to the article! But I've tried to reunite the talk and the article, and merge the history of each from [[Mustafa Kemal Atatürk]] back into the main article. HTH. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User_talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 15:38, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==RFA nomination==

* All stuff related to [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tony Sidaway|my RFA]] went to [[/RFA]].

== [[Talk:Gdansk/Vote]] ==

Hi. In case you didn't know it yet, I am one of the organizers of this vote, so i guess it's my ''sloppy job''. In hindsight, I would have worded the last vote differently. My goal was not to have it declared as vandalism, but to exempt enforcement of community consensus from the 3RR. I have re-worded the results accordingly, as many voters commented to this (see [[Talk:Gdansk/Vote#Results on VOTE: Enforcement]]. Many opposing voters also stated that they would have agreed to a 3RR exemption. About 50% majority: Most votes had a clear majority over the 2:1 ratio you mentioned. Only #4 and #10 fell below, the latter one close. My feeling is that if i would have reworded the vote, it would have been above the 2:1 ratio.

While i agree with you that it is better to have a consensus, many people tried to achieve consensus on the Gdansk issue since 4 years, so far unsucessfully. This vote was started to stop edit wars. If you can achieve a better consensus, be my guest. Also, next time feel free to ask me on my talk page before complaining. Happy editing -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 01:37, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for your understanding. The vote was a rather tough task for me, and it will be probably a few month before i stick my neck out in a similar fashion again. (Only he who does nothing does nothing wrong). As you said, I hope the whole thing will not be crashing down on my head in a month because someone takes the results to its extreme. I will, however, enforce the vote on the few articles that i am involved in ([[Arthur Schopenhauer]], [[Lucas David]]...), plus look at other articles if i am asked to. About the wording of the voting results: If you have any comments about the worrding or so, please let me know, and I'll see if it can be included while still maintaining the community consensus (whatever that is...). Good luck with your RfA. -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 02:01, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
::Addendum: After considering it for a few days, I just supported your adminship. Best wishes, -- [[User:Chris 73|Chris 73]] [[User talk:Chris 73|Talk]] 11:21, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

== ArbCom case opened ==

The case brought by [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] against [[User:172|172]] has been opened: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/172-2]]. - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 15:16, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)


== Signpost correction ==

Thank you for calling this to my attention. I have now fixed the article, and since it's buried in the archives I also added a correction to the current issue. If you find any factual errors in the future, I also don't mind if you correct them yourself, although the notice in this case was particularly helpful because I don't watch the articles once they get archived. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 21:08, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)


==[[User:Coolcat]]==
Dear Tony Sidaway,

If I'm not mistaken then you have repeatedly erased vandalism of the Wikipedia page on the PKK (Kurdistan Worker's Party, simply type in PKK and you'll be redirected) by user 'CoolCat' in the past, at least judging by the page's history. I would very much like your (or whoever's) version of the article to be posted back up, as CoolCat's version is poorly written (lots of typos, spelling and grammatical errors) and seems heavily biased. I myself am not that familiar with the Wikipedia process but something needs to be done to protect the PKK article (in its previous, not its current, version). Take a look at the editing history and you'll know what I'm talking about.

I think the version of the story that is supposed to be up (Neutral) is

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kurdistan_Workers_Party&oldid=10261209

Rather than the version that is up now (CoolCat's) and cannot be changed as he keeps reverting edits to it and calling them "vandalism".

Best wishes,

New User

== Thank you! ==

Dear Tony,
Thank you for your help. I can need it. You are a true friend!!! '''100 per cent'''.
After all we must cooperate, fighting those racist and preoccupied vandals, with one single agenda! --[[User:Tabib|Tabib]] 19:48, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:'''TONY AND ALL!: This is NOT MY POST! This "user" "-Tabib" is another mock user created to discredit me. Never in my life I saw such meanness! Please, see the diff from the talkpage history log when this person after signing under "-Tabib", later removed "-"(dash) to make it look comletely like my post.([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATony_Sidaway&diff=11067384&oldid=11066760]) Please take appropriate measures!

:p.s.Initially, we occasionally posted simultaneously with him, that is why I did not see his malicious post when posting my initial message below.'''--[[User:Tabib|Tabib]] 20:25, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

== Evidences for Rovoam's conduct ==

In response to your post in [[User_talk:Tabib#Format_for_arbitration_evidence|my talkpage]]:

Hi Tony,

Thank you for your care and attention. I was away for several days and couldn't get to Wikipedia. I'm fine, although a bit tired of all of this, but firm as never in my intention to pursue the case I started till its logical end.

Tony, I am grateful to you for your wikiformatting of my evidences. You formatted my evidences and even provided new ones for LIGerasimova Osmanoglou Baku Ibne. Btw, I never seriously thought that LIGerasimova (who passed himself off as a Russian female) could be Osmanoglou (who is a male, definitely of Persian background), although I had some suspicions that LIgerasimova may not be the one who "she" pretended to be. So, this finding was quite surprising to me.

But I also noticed that '''most of the evidences against [[User:Rovoam]] are missing.''' Right now he is my biggest headache, because he continues his disruptive actions and vandalism, which go far beyond the limits of [[Nagorno-Karabakh]] page. Please, see [[Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh]] and also history logs for [[Caucasus Albania]] page and [[Nagorno-Karabakh Republic]] redirect page. Tomorrow or on monday I will try to present more evidences on Rovoam and if needed on others too in the format you provided. Thanks once again and please, keep an eye on [[Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh]] and also on [[Caucasus Albania]] and [[Nagorno-Karabakh Republic]] redirect page. --[[User:Tabib|Tabib]] 19:53, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
== your protect ==

I checked it, looks like everything was done the right way. -- [[User:Curps|Curps]] 20:06, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== '''-'''Tabib on Talk:Autofellatio ==

While I am in no way mad at you for deleting '''-'''Tabib's unnecessary comments on [[Talk:Autofellatio]], I'll just have you know to be a bit more careful next time. You accidentally (I believe) deleted the header to my new comment, <nowiki>==Archive==</nowiki>. I've put it back and am not mad, but just be a bit more careful next time, 'kay? {{User:Mathx314/sig}} 22:57, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC) ''altered to make it plain that [[User:Tabib]] was not involved''. --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 00:27, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:Ah, thank you for archiving. And sorry about getting mad at Tabib. Sorry to you, Tabib! {{User:Mathx314/sig}} 00:38, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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==size matters?==
this is ridiculous. The balance of usefulness to annoyance of this image is tilted ''so much'' towards annoyance that it's simply reckless to claim it should be as big as possible. I'm sorry but I cannot believe that you defend this disruptive and probably copyvio'd image in all honesty. If we cannot get rid of it if some people are so much in love with it, or with getting their way, reducing its size is the least we can do to reduce its potential for abuse. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;'''</small>)]] 11:13, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:what is this childish bullshit? Who is [[User:Suckabloke]]? If you argue that the image is as encyclopedic as, say, [[:Image:Codex Argenteus.jpg]], how do you explain that vandals invariably pick Autofellatio, and not Codex Argenteus to disfigure articles? How is it that my userpage is never vandalized as long as I'm dealing with serious topics, but as soon as I meddle with this hopeless case, the trolls are swarming? I'll not try to convince you. I'll just say that I have serious doubts that you have any notion of encyclopedicity, and that I'll continue to reduce the image size as often as I can be bothered until Jimbo finally is annoyed enough to delete the image. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;'''</small>)]] 11:47, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
::ok, I'll grant you that you manage to sound matter-of-factly detailing your fallacies, while I probably sound slightly hysterical. Please ''do not'' abuse the term 'vandalism', though. Especially as you are, as I see, an admin. Content disputes are not vandalism. As far as I'm concerned this is only a content dispute by really stretching the term, as the image, in the words of Jimbo, is not even a borderline case, and should have been deleted on sight. Assuming that you are in good faith deluded enough to consider this image encyclopedic, you still have mis-characterized my statement as a threat of vandalism, and I expect you to acknowledge that. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;'''</small>)]] 12:03, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:::fair enough. See, I'm sufficiently fed up with the subject already to leave the image to you until its next use in front-page vandalism. regards, [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;'''</small>)]] 12:10, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:::PS, sorry to see you stalked by these vandals. We may disagree, but you're doing an important job for WP, keep it up! [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;'''</small>)]] 13:45, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Thanks for stamping me an ANDROGYN! Your secred desires?? ==

You seem to be silly enough, thinking all of 25 (plus) million German subscribers are socks of cunt Gerasimova! Strazd'vuitye Tavarishi Ibneler! Great detective work. One even thought to be dealing with a Kurd, because the latter speaks Turkish!!! Great logics. You know how many million Turkish compatriots live in Germany?? Kurds have their own Language, similar to Farsi. In Turkey we call them Mountain Turks.

Ye olde Wizard of Os
Father of 25 Milliion socks!
Osmanoglou, who just
--[[User:Hadagoodlaugh|Hadagoodlaugh]] 13:26, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
== [[Armenian Genocide]] ==
Since you have a talent dealing with newbs, and believe in wiki-neurrality (and are perhaps free), please look into this article and tell me what you think. I dont think its neutral at all, I have views on my own regarding the matter so I need a 3rd person's view is that article remotely neutral? --[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]] [[Image:Barnstar.png|15px]] [[User talk:Coolcat|<sup>My Talk</sup>]] 22:57, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The remote party acts like an infant and does believe the article is neutral. He has no respect to NPOV and his excuse is the NPOV violations on other articles...
::I am really disgusted of this thing. Not so long ago, I have visited the Karabagh entry and posted something, to then being jumped on by some user by the name of Tabib... that has called me a liar, and suggested that my ethnicity was an insult. And now, after justifying my entry with 160 pages of talks, Coolcat come in and revert my entry. And now what I do learn he comes here and insult me and claims I am acting like an infant. I really thought that Wikipedia was a serious place, I as well having read its policies, thought that there should be as much space left in the article for a position as the proportion of academics supporting it. The genocide entry is more neutral than it previously was, and is more closer to the French, German versions which are neutral. I don't understand, why should English be an exception for what regarding something being neutral? Is it because it's the international language and that we could find any wackos supporting any weird theories to have space in here? Afteral, I was the one requesting that the Armenian Genocide section should be moderated by a mediator... and I had as answer CoolCat that seems to want to sabotage every entries remotely close to Turkey. I've been already left an entry, because some fanatic by the name of Tabib acted as if we're in a boxing wring, and now I find myself with this. Disgusting really. [[User:Fadix|Fadix]] 00:41, 15 Mar 2005. (UTC)
I got my star I know beter. I am working on NPOVing the article. As far as I remeber I did not refer him as "childish" I revered to revert wars beeing childish and how much I want to evade one. I am urging my remote party, to read my edits carefully and stop acusing me with things. That article is NOT neutral. If you cannot deal with oposing views you dont belong to wikipedia. You are not right neither I am, this is a contriverisal topic. I dont care of your support. This article is based on a dispute, the article should not be for neither sies view. I amde a few edits, tell me what you think. BTW, please do '''NOT''' revert, overwrite, scream, whinine, swear, insult me/my edits. Instead please discuss. --[[User:Coolcat|Cool Cat]] [[Image:Barnstar.png|15px]] [[User talk:Coolcat|<sup>My Talk</sup>]] 01:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)


::That article is as neutral as the genocide entry in other encyclopedias, but it isn't anymore after you have edited it. Either you have no knowledge of the event, either you're trying to fool the reader, which would mean you have an ill intend. You can not edit my article without justifying it. You don't even participate in the talk page, you just sabotages the Armenian genocide entry when it does not fit your preconceived beliefs. You are not a moderator, a moderator can differentiate himself from his beliefs, you obviously can't... and your edits clearly show how that is the cases... and your claim of “Armenian propaganda” as well, you can't even restraint yourself by making such statements. Reread Wikipedia neutral point of view, it clearly state that both opposing positions don't need to be represented equally if one position is supported by most against the other. So, because of your involvement in every entry regarding Turkey, I oppose to your moderation, I ask a real impartial moderator, like the admin at the French entry of the Armenian genocide.[[User:Fadix|Fadix]] 15:19, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Congrats==
I saw you were recently promoted to admin. Congradulations. Please make sure you read the relavant policy before using your new powers. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 08:12, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

==User:Azeri NationalistVandal==
How do we block vandals if their blocking causes problems with other IDs? [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 08:33, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)


In November [[1991]], seeking to squelch this movement, the Parliament of Azerbaijan abolished the autonomous status of the region. In response the Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians held a [[December 10]], [[1991]] referendum in which the overwhelming majority of the population voted for outright independence. The Azeri community of Nagorno-Karabakh boycotted this referendum.
Unfortunately, I've never gotten so much as a reply from a single ISP that I've contacted about continued vandalism. At best I've gotten automated replies, which say that they need log dumps. [[User:RickK|Rick]][[User talk:RickK|K]] 08:36, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)


'''These events led to violent actions against Armenians living in [[Baku]], [[Sumgait]] and elsewhere in Azerbaijan. As a result, a vast majority of Armenians in Azerbaijan (except for Nagorno-Karabakh) were displaced. A land war between Armenia and Azerbaijan followed the events of civil violence. Military actions were heavily influenced by the [[Russian Federation|Russian]] military inspiring and balancing on the rivalry between the two neighboring nations to keep both under control.
== My opposition to your adminship ==


An unofficial cease-fire was reached on [[May 12th]], [[1994]] through Russian negotiation, and continues today. Today Armenians remain in control of the Soviet era autonomous region, a strip of land (called the [[Lachin corridor]]) linking it with the Republic of Armenia, as well as the so-called security zone--strips of territory along the region borders which had been used by Azerbaijan artillery during the war. At the same time part of Nagorno Karabakh Republic (Shaumyian, Getashen, etc.) are occupied by Azeri forces.
I hope you understand (as I've taken pains to make clear) that I have nothing against your personally nor do I wish your adminship taken away. This started as a comment by me to Cecropia that I thought he acted hastily in promoting you (and I was not alone in this opinion) and now it's grown into a larger policy discussion. It's not that I think there was consensus NOT to promote you, it's just that I thought that the significant number of Oppose votes from non-cranks and the narrow margin of passing indicated a lack of consensus to promote you. Personally I would not have promoted you when Cecropia did, but suggested an extension of the voting on account of the narrow margin. Now, you likely would have exceeded the 80% margin comfortably had that been the case, but I think it's better to project a certain degree of propriety. We don't want it to look like individual bureaucrats can conjure up consensus. Now, again, I am NOT saying Cecropia did this. I do not think he did anything inappropriate. However, given the borderline nature of the issue, it's easy for me to see how a different situation could end up abused. Given that there are currently no real procedural safeguards to prevent this, I thought it best to comment in the hopes that we could initiate some sort of standard for these sorts of situations.


Today Nagorno-Karabakh is a de-facto independent state calling itself the ''Nagorno-Karabakh Republic''. It is closely tied to the Republic of Armenia and uses its currency, the [[Dram (currency)|dram]]. Successive Armenian governments have resisted internal pressure to unite the two, fearing reprisals from Azerbaijan and the international community, which still considers Nagorno-Karabakh part of Azerbaijan. The politics of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are so intermingled that a former president of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, [[Robert Kocharian]], has become first prime minister ([[1997]]) and then the president of Armenia ([[1998]] to the present).
Anyway, I'm sure you'll be a good admin as I'm certain you're not taking the comments of your fellows lightly. It's not a big deal, to be sure, because if you suddenly went insane, there'd always be RfC. ;) I just wanted to make sure you knew that I bear you no ill will, heck I didn't even "strongly" oppose. :) --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 16:56, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)


At present, the mediation process is stalled and ongoing as both sides are equally intransigent. Azerbaijan insists that Armenian troops withdraw from all areas of Azerbaijan outside Nagorno-Karabakh and that all displaced persons be allowed to return to their homes before the status of Karabakh can be discussed. Armenia does not even admit that Nagorno-Karabakh is legally part of Azerbaijan, arguing that because the region declared independence at the same time that Azerbaijan became an independent state, both of them are equally successor states of the Soviet Union. The Armenian government insists that the government of Nagorno-Karabakh be part of any discussions on the region's future and rejects ceding occupied territory or allowing refugees to return prior to talks on the region's status.
== Autofellatio.jpg copyvio/deletion ==
Hi Tony. It seems [[User:AllyUnion|AllyUnion]] has listed [[:Image:Autofellatio.jpg|autofellatio.jpg]] on [[WP:CP|copyyright problems]] and deleted it preemptively. Would you mind weighing in? I seem to remember you emailed a webmaster about the (different but similar) picture. Cheers! [[User:Limeheadnyc|{{User:Limeheadnyc/Sig}}]] 01:30, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


In the latest episode, representatives of Armenia, Azerbaijan, [[France]], Russia and the [[United States]] met in [[Paris]] and Key-West, Florida in the spring of [[2001]]. The details of the talks have remained largely secret, but reportedly the sides discussed non-hierarchical relationships between the central Azerbaijanian government and the Karabakh Armenian authorities. Despite rumours that the parties were again close to a solution, the Azerbaijanian authorities, both during [[Heydar Aliyev]] and after coming into power in October 2003 elections of his son [[Ilham Aliyev]], have firmly denied any agreement has been reached in Paris or Key-West.
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Recent round of talks between Azerbaijanian and Armenian presidents, Ilham Aliyev and Robert Kocharyan, were held in September 2004 in Astana, [[Kazakhstan]] on the sidelines of the [[Commonwealth of Independent States]] (CIS) summit. Reportedly, one of the suggestions put forward was withdrawal of the occupying forces from the Azeri territories adjacent to Mountainous Karabakh and holding referendums in Mountainous Karabakh and in Azerbaijan regarding the future status of the region.


==Nagorno Karabagh==
== See also ==
Here is my take. I don't see why Tabib article should be the one locked on. While the factuality of the Armenian genocide(which is more recent than the history of Karabagh) is less debated than what happened thousands of years ago, Tabib is free to include only his point of view, while I have to include for the Armenian genocide the other point of view. I thought that Wikipedia should include every representative sides? Was it not that afteral? Was it not for that that my article was edited even thought I have justified it with 160 pages? I really don't like this idea of one rule for some, and another for others. And as well, I really hate this thing with nationals using Wikipedia as an extension of propaganda sites they have build. When I include a link in an article, I expect it to be left, and not deleted just because on the bunch of writers of the articles there happen to be an Armenian. I have read the exchange between Tabib and Rovoam, and with my experience with Tabib, I would say that Tabib is as much to blame for everything that happened, while I accepted what is Wikipedia and what it is not, he tries to hijack the article by including only his views and editing everytime that there is something that he does not like. One clear inaccuracy(among others) I have reported in the article is still there, and this inaccuracy is not only a point of view, but it contradict the article itself. In the same article it is written that Gregory has converted the Albanian king, which is accurate, and then, in the same article it is written that Albanians disappeared, and one of the two factors would be Gregorization. That information comes from the Azerbaijani foreign ministry publications, and they equal that to Armenization. Tell me Tony, how is it possible to Gregorize a population that is already Gregorian. Gregory is the founder of both church.[[User:Fadix|Fadix]] 14:54, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


*[[Elections in Nagorno-Karabakh]]
== Admin log ==


== External links ==
Hi Tony,


*[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/3658938.stm Regions and territories: Nagorno-Karabakh] from BBC
Congratulations on joining the kabal! I love your [[User:Tony Sidaway/Admin log|admin log]] idea. Looks like you've gotten to a great start, especially with blocking vandals.
*[http://www.artsakhworld.com/ ArtsakhWorld.com] &ndash; An Armenian site about Nagorno-Karabakh
*[http://www.karabakh.org/ Karabakh.org]&ndash; An Azeri site about Nagorno-Karabakh
*[http://www.nkr.am/eng/ The official site of the 'NKR Ministry of Foreign Affairs']
*[http://www.nkrusa.org/ 'Office of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic in the United States']
*[http://www.cilicia.com/rediscover.pl?Karabakh Karabakh Travel Guide]
*[http://www.caucaz.com/home_uk/pays.php?pays=7 Special Karabakh on Caucaz.com, Weekly Online about South Caucasus]
*[http://www.flashpoints.info/countries-conflicts/Nagorno-Karabakh-web/Nagorno-Karabakh_briefing.html Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict Briefing]


I liked your idea so much, I've started a similar log at [[User:Dbenbenn/Admin log]]. Mine isn't wikified yet, though.


[[Category:Armenia]]
Cheers, [[User:Dbenbenn|dbenbenn]] | [[User talk:Dbenbenn|talk]] 14:21, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[[Category:Caucasus]]
[[Category:Disputed territories]]


== Vandalism ==


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Tony - FYI, I've protected your userpage due to vandalism by [[User:Rovoam]] and his IP addresses. {{User:Rdsmith4/Sig}} 00:10, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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Nagorno Karabakh Republic (Armenian: Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետություն), short name Nagorno Karabakh Azerbaijani: Dağlıq Qarabağ or Yuxarı Qarabağ, literally "mountainous Karabakh" or "upper Karabakh"; Russian: Нагорный Карабах, translit. Nagornyy Karabakh; translit. Lernayin Gharabagh), historically known as Artsakh (Armenian: Արցախ), is a region of former Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic, in southern Caucasia, located about 270 km (about 170 mi) west of the Azerbaijani capital of Baku. This predominantly Armenian populated autonomous region had been placed under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan by an arbitrary decision of Stalin in 1923. Karabakh has declared independence from Azerbaijan on December 10, 1991 and established Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR). The NKR's sovereign status is not recognized by any country in the world.

Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետություն
(Lernayin Gharabaghi Hanrapetut’yun)
Flag of the NKR The NKR Coat of Arms
Flag of the NKR The NKR Coat of Arms
Map of the region
Map of the region. (Orange area indicates Armenian-controlled territory)
Political status Unrecognized
Languages Hayeren / Armenian
Capital Stepanakert / Xankəndi
President Arkadi Gukasian
Independence
 – Declared
 – Celebrated1
 – Recognition 		From Azerbaijan
 December 10, 1991
 September 2, 1991
 none
Area 4,400 km²
Population2
Ethnic Composition3
  		145,000 (2002 est.)
Over 95% Armenian
5% minorities
Currency Dram (AMD) (Armenian)
Time zone UTC +4 (DST +5)
Internet TLD none
Calling Code 374 ???
1,2,3 nkrusa.org

The region's area is 4,400 km².Last official demographic data for this region have been received as a result of the Soviet population census in 1979. At that time the general population of Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region was 162,200 persons from which 123,100 were Armenians (75,9 %), and 37,300 - Azeri (22,9 %). The region had no border with the neighboring Armenia, being separated from it by a narrow strip of the Azerbaijan land (so-called Lachin corridor). The capital is called Stepanakert (Xankəndi in Azeri).

The name of this small region, which was a little known outside of the Soviet Transcaucasia up to the end of 80th years of XX century century, now has concentrated in itself fierce ethno political and geopolitical disputes which in combination with other reasons have led to disintegration of Soviet Union.

The war for Nagorno Karabakh became the longest and one of the bloodiest conflicts in states-successors of Soviet Union. According to last estimations, it has killed 15000 people, and the number of refugees has exceeded one million.

From the point of view of international law this conflict is an example of contradictions between two fundamental principles: on the one hand, rights of people for self-determination, and on the other hand, a principle of territorial integrity according to which the state borders can only be changed under the peaceful agreement of parties involved.

Not going down deeply in ancient and medieval history, nevertheless, it is necessary to notice, that the Armenian party can present impressing number of neutral sources which testify, that Armenians prevailed in region during more than millennia. The Turkic population has appeared there not earlier the beginning of XVIII century century, having established eventually the board above the Armenian majority in the form Karabakh khanate, included in structure of Russian empire in 1813. During soviet time, as well as in imperial Russia, administrative borders of Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region do not coincide with ethnic borders.

Nagorno-Karabakh became a subject of the dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan in 1918 when both countries declared independence from Russia. Azerbaijan claimed sovereignty over the province and sought to conquer it with help from the Young Turks. Territorial dispute has not been resolved until 1920, when both young states became part of the Soviet Union, and actually lost their independence due to the actions of Russian communists (Bolsheviks). In December, 1920 the Azerbaijan communistic government has dropped former complaints on Nagorno-Karabakh and some other territories populated by Armenians, recognizing these territories as part of the Soviet Armenia.

However, later the Azerbaijan new Soviet government has renewed the complaints and has addressed them to Moscow for support. On July, 4, 1921 so-called Caucasian Bureau of the Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party has voted for inclusion Nagorno-Karabakh into structure of Armenia. But next day, on July, 5, the new session of Caucasian Bureau has reconsidered its first decision in favor of Azerbaijan and ordered to place this territory under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan. This part of resolution of the Caucasian Bureau has been implemented in 1923, when Autonomous Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh was formed.

Supporters for the Armenian position frequently emphasize, that resolution of the Caucasian Bureau from July, 5, 1921, was obviously accepted under the Bolsheviks pressure, and, in any case, this resolution contradicts with the principle of self-determination and cannot be considered as valid: the problem should be solved by the countries, which it directly involves, and not by the Committee created specially for this case and inside the ruling party of the third country.

Current ethnic settlement pattern
Ethnic groups of the region in 1995: (See entire map)

When Mikhail Gorbachev has come to power in Moscow and has started the campaigns of publicity and democratic reforms in the end of 80th, the question of Nagorno-Karabakh reemerged. Encouraged by universal relaxation of political restrictions after decades of government repression, Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh now have decided to address the problems to the international and Soviet heads. Complaining about "forced Azerification" of the region, the majority Armenian population started a movement to transfer it to Armenia. The conflict has been strongly burdened by the massive anti-Armenian pogrom organized in the Azerbaijan city of Sumgait at the end of February, 1988 - the first explosion of ethnic violence in the newest Soviet history.

In November 1991, seeking to squelch this movement, the Parliament of Azerbaijan abolished the autonomous status of the region. In response the Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians held a December 10, 1991 referendum in which the overwhelming majority of the population voted for outright independence. The Azeri community of Nagorno-Karabakh boycotted this referendum.

These events led to violent actions against Armenians living in Baku, Sumgait and elsewhere in Azerbaijan. As a result, a vast majority of Armenians in Azerbaijan (except for Nagorno-Karabakh) were displaced. A land war between Armenia and Azerbaijan followed the events of civil violence. Military actions were heavily influenced by the Russian military inspiring and balancing on the rivalry between the two neighboring nations to keep both under control.

An unofficial cease-fire was reached on May 12th, 1994 through Russian negotiation, and continues today. Today Armenians remain in control of the Soviet era autonomous region, a strip of land (called the Lachin corridor) linking it with the Republic of Armenia, as well as the so-called security zone--strips of territory along the region borders which had been used by Azerbaijan artillery during the war. At the same time part of Nagorno Karabakh Republic (Shaumyian, Getashen, etc.) are occupied by Azeri forces.

Today Nagorno-Karabakh is a de-facto independent state calling itself the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It is closely tied to the Republic of Armenia and uses its currency, the dram. Successive Armenian governments have resisted internal pressure to unite the two, fearing reprisals from Azerbaijan and the international community, which still considers Nagorno-Karabakh part of Azerbaijan. The politics of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are so intermingled that a former president of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Robert Kocharian, has become first prime minister (1997) and then the president of Armenia (1998 to the present).

At present, the mediation process is stalled and ongoing as both sides are equally intransigent. Azerbaijan insists that Armenian troops withdraw from all areas of Azerbaijan outside Nagorno-Karabakh and that all displaced persons be allowed to return to their homes before the status of Karabakh can be discussed. Armenia does not even admit that Nagorno-Karabakh is legally part of Azerbaijan, arguing that because the region declared independence at the same time that Azerbaijan became an independent state, both of them are equally successor states of the Soviet Union. The Armenian government insists that the government of Nagorno-Karabakh be part of any discussions on the region's future and rejects ceding occupied territory or allowing refugees to return prior to talks on the region's status.

In the latest episode, representatives of Armenia, Azerbaijan, France, Russia and the United States met in Paris and Key-West, Florida in the spring of 2001. The details of the talks have remained largely secret, but reportedly the sides discussed non-hierarchical relationships between the central Azerbaijanian government and the Karabakh Armenian authorities. Despite rumours that the parties were again close to a solution, the Azerbaijanian authorities, both during Heydar Aliyev and after coming into power in October 2003 elections of his son Ilham Aliyev, have firmly denied any agreement has been reached in Paris or Key-West.

Recent round of talks between Azerbaijanian and Armenian presidents, Ilham Aliyev and Robert Kocharyan, were held in September 2004 in Astana, Kazakhstan on the sidelines of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) summit. Reportedly, one of the suggestions put forward was withdrawal of the occupying forces from the Azeri territories adjacent to Mountainous Karabakh and holding referendums in Mountainous Karabakh and in Azerbaijan regarding the future status of the region.

See also


az:Dağlıq Qarabağ ca:Alt Karabagh de:Bergkarabach et:Mägi-Karabahh fa:قره‌باغ hr:Gorski Karabah pl:Górski Karabach ru:Нагорный Карабах sl:Gorski Karabah

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