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Happy New Year, David Gerard!

Happy New Year!

David Gerard,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Reston5

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Happy Nineteenth First Edit Day!

Hey, David Gerard. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. Hope you are doing well. I'd like to know If any hidden purpose to delete the newest article on Gregory Duralev's page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rasputin2024 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Primary Source from Article

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Optionally, nominate a page for deletion if the information therewithin can be reasonably argued as unworthy detail for encyclopedic concern, rather than removing validly placed sources while referring to the subject matter itself as not notable. MJHTrailsolid (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

and yet, if it wasn't in an RS, it wasn't worth noting, specious talk page templating aside. Do you have an independent third party RS? (That's a yes or no question.) - David Gerard (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting the primary sources citating a statement of fact without a talk discussion or in-line template, and without being bold and removing the content itself, in effect allows for follow up content deletion on subjective basis. It should be noted that other primary sources on that page are still present. No, a third-party source was not sought, as a first party source for this specific circumstance was sufficient to Wikipedia sourcing policy, the citation itself is a simple memorandum of the events.

As has been noted to you before in other warns on this talk, there is also the matter of preserving the page edited and how depreciated sources should still be retained per site policy. MJHTrailsolid (talk) 03:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

depreciated sources should still be retained per site policy What do you mean by that? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's the opposite of the case. He's claiming "warns" that were also the opposite of the case. Deprecated soures should be removed. If you have a deprecated source, you don't have a source and the claim shouldn't have been present in the first place. He's also adding Fox, which isn't a usable source for politics, but at least it's not specifically deprecated - David Gerard (talk) 11:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Careful

If you're going to remove a quote on grounds of WP:DAILYMAIL, you should probably remove the content leading up to that quote, so that we're not left with a sentence that ends "Melissa Anelli said: ".

(Also, I think Anelli / TLC is a reasonable source for an article on JKRiana, regardless of what the Mail said afterward, but I won't fuss if you remove that entire section.) DS (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

whoops, thank you! - David Gerard (talk) 20:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Net Nima

Is there any particular reason why you blocked this user without talk or email access, given they've abused neither? I'm not even sure that an indef block is the best course of action. This isn't your ordinary spambot, but rather is someone with a clear conflict of interest, who, at least in the AFD, appears to be trying to understand the proper way to do things, even if they are currently falling way short. I would have thought that additional discussion/instruction might have yielded positive results, or possibly a partial block just from the AFD if they were repeating the same arguments over and over again. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 17:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

they are literally here for paid advertising and repeatedly pushed spam into the article after it was removed, not to build an encyclopedia. There was no realistic chance of them transforming into a Wikipedian and not a waste of volunteer time cleaning up after the commercial mess they were here to make. Assume Good Faith does not mean In The Face Of The Clear Evidence - David Gerard (talk) 17:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While I disagree with your assessment, I appreciate your justification for the indefinite block. However, that doesn't explain why you blocked without any appeal access - that kind of extreme "hard block" isn't usually done for spammers AFAIK... I was of the impression that talk page and email are only removed for cause after the user has abused one or the other, or occasionally for blatantly obvious LTAs may be done preemptively. While this account may be a commercial/promotion-only account, it certainly isn't an obvious LTA. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still utterly unconvinced it'll go anywhere useful, but sure, I'll remove the talk/email block - David Gerard (talk) 00:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Collaboration on a Malta page

Hi. I need some assistance with the editing of a page relating to a Maltese entrepreneur. Can I discuss this with you @David Gerard? DigitalArchiver2020 (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Undeletion Req

Hello sir, I hope you are great can you please restore this page to draft so I will fix the ambiguous text i.e it was looking earlier as COI/advertising, Promotion. I want to make it neutral in all the possible way.

Dhanireddy Sudharshan Reddy IntelisMust (talk) 12:01, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Restored at Draft:Dhanireddy Sudharshan Reddy - David Gerard (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Neutron jf

Thanks for your advice on not using MBFC as a source for the article Live Science. I'm a new editor, and am learning the ropes - this was actually my first real edit. Neutron jf (talk) 21:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of CryptoDickbutts Wiki Page

Hello David, hope you are doing well!

I just wanted to have some clarity on why you deleted the CryptoDickbutts Wiki page on January 1st, 2023 based on deletion criteria A7, G11.

This was my first edit and I was trying to write a wikipedia article for a notable NFT project. Just wanted some feedback on how it met those criteria and how I can make it better so I will be able to revise and publish it again.

Thank you for your time! :D 0 MoneyMitch 0 (talk) 00:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly that there was no sourcing in reliable sources whatsoever - it was crypto sites and tweets. All the RS sourcing was not about CryptoDickbutts.

You need a page that's sourced entirely to mainstream high quality sources where the sourcing is actually about CryptoDickbutts.

I've restored the page at Draft:CryptoDickbutts if you want to keep working on it - David Gerard (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhhh okay I see. I'll go and fix it now so it will include this. Thank you very much for the clarification! 0 MoneyMitch 0 (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest running it through Articles For Creation for a second opinion before taking it live again - David Gerard (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I'll be sure to do this David thank you once again for the help and explanation! 104.167.134.73 (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also could you clarify what you mean by "crypto sites"? Does Crypto Sites mean the OpenSea links I had or does that entail other sources? Thank you once again for your time. 104.167.134.73 (talk) 21:33, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't use crypto sites as reliable sources. In rare cases, it might be ok to references specific sites that might add additional context, as long as the information is supported by non-crypto sites as well. However, don't rely on any crypto news publications (even CoinDesk, Decrypt, etc.) to establish notability. Please also review WP:GS/CRYPTO to understand general sanctions against crypto. --Molochmeditates (talk) 22:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thank you very much for the info! 0 MoneyMitch 0 (talk) 22:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this is absolutely not any sort of policy yet, but Wikipedia:Notability (cryptocurrencies) is an essay that talks about what's gone well in the past and what hasn't with crypto articles.

Most things about Wikipedia's attitude to cryptos makes more sense when you realise the whole area's been a firehose for spam - David Gerard (talk) 00:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

February 2023

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I think that templating me for flagging what appears to be a massive COI on your part will not work for you - David Gerard (talk) 18:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Nguyen Van Hung

Hello! I am Vietnamese with Taiwanese nationality, please change the picture for this entry, thank you!

File:Peter Nguyen Van Hung 2015-12-13 a.jpg → File:Peter Nguyen Van Hung 2015-12-13 b.jpg

--George Bui (talk) 14:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked as a sock of LTA User:Nipponese Dog Calvero. Favonian (talk) 17:03, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question about a revision you made

Greetings, for this revision, I'm curious how [1] is not valid to verify that someone starred on a program? Thank you J04n(talk page) 17:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of List of longest novels for deletion

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Deletion review for Artfi

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Jessica Sutta interview deletion

Hi, you just reverted a quite small edit that was previously removed because of a missing source. The comment of the edit explained that the source was there. The source is a "deprecated source" that cannot be generally used, but there are exceptions to that rule, and that is explained on a topic on the talk page (that was already there when you reverted the change). I would expect you to make a mention on the talk page before making such revert if you think that the exception do not apply in this case.

You explain your change saying that: "Epoch times is deprecated, absolutely unusable on a BLP", but in this case the reliability of the source as it is not supporting an external claim, and "even extremely low-quality sources, such as social media, may sometimes be used as self-published sources".

In this case: the only claim is that she said something on an public interview and the source of this claim is the published interview, the reliability of the source is not important.

Please, revert your reversal. Thanks.Eloyesp (talk) 22:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This precise question just came up recently on WP:RSN. The answer is: no, we don't trust deprecated sources for interview quotes either - David Gerard (talk) 00:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point to that precise question with a more precise link?

Following the link provided there are only two mentions of interviews, one of them mentions a similar case and says something like: "It feels like a relatively safe thing to use in [X] article, as it is an interview with [X] himself. I'd avoid using it for a biography of [Y], and it might not be reliable enough to be due in a [different article], but in [X]'s own article it seems safe enough."

So it seems to me, that you seems to make some claims about some resolution that was made that is final, but you are not backing those claims with proper links.

On the other hand... who are "WE" that make that claim? - Eloyesp (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I meant Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_400#Is_the_New_York_Post_reliable_when_used_for_a_direct_quote? - that's a GUNREL source, but the same applies. If you think you can argue that there's no "we" on this point of not trusting deprecated sources for quotes, you should take it to RSN, but I predict you will be told we don't trust deprecated sources for quotes - David Gerard (talk) 11:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sputnik and RIA Novosti

They are separate entities with their own entries in WP:RSP. My edit to Wikipedia:Deprecated sources was prompted by Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Amigao keeps mass deleting content and sources; pages originally published on the RIA Novosti website several years before Sputnik existed were moved to Sputnik and the URLs in the citations had been updated by a bot. Peter James (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hm, fair enough. I also asked about its status on RSN - David Gerard (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Solana

Hello David. I apologise for re-adding the IB Times reference, my aim was to restore the Slope text with a better reference (although that didn't go to well either, so sorry for that as well), and I somehow missed that there was also the removal of the IB Times reference in the previous version.

It is only a coincidence that I've stumbled upon a couple of Crypto articles recently, but I am quickly learning that it is a difficult area, and reliable sources are few and far between! All the best, MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it's a tricky one. There's an essay (NOT YET A GUIDELINE) on the topic: Wikipedia:Notability_(cryptocurrencies). But basically, sticking to mainstream finance press is the way - David Gerard (talk) 11:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Epic Cash

Hi David - you deleted my first Wikipedia article - Epic Cash.

But not only that - you also deleted my User sandbox for Epic Cash! Now the one-week worth of work I put into composing the article is gone! I really don't appreciate it, and consider it an act of pure vandalism. Like, you work on your garden for a week and some stranger comes and plows over it overnight in secret.

The article followed the Wikipedia layout, it was patterned along the Bitcoin, Monero and Litecoin pages and there were no value judgements in the article, just plain facts referenced from reliable sources. The article was actually better and more relevant than Bitcoin, Monero, and Litecoin Wikipedia pages.

If you knew anything about the cryptocurrency space, you would understand why the article was relevant.

There are thousands and thousands of Wikipedia pages like my sandbox-epic: they just in neutral way and with reliable references cover the subject. Is the page for my smart phone like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X4 an advertisement for Motorola company and my smart phone? No, it is not - it just offers referenced facts about Moto X4 phone in neutral way. Etc., etc. ...

— Preceding unsigned comment added by FreemanIntel (talk • contribs) 15:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Literally none of the sources were Reliable Sources that talked about Epic Cash. They were all primary, or to crypto blogs, or not even about Epic Cash. There was also the huge section which was an essay on securities regulations concerning cryptos, none of the cites being anything to do with Epic Cash.

That is: it closely resembled run of the mill crypto spam. I urge you to review WP:GS/Crypto.

It's a speedy, so I've restored it as Draft:Epic Cash with its history intact. I urge you to run it past WP:AFC before it goes live again. You really need solid RSes - finance press, that sort of thing. Crypto press is generally regarded as not reliable sources for Wikipedia. If Epic Cash has actual mainstream coverage, then there's something to base an article on - David Gerard (talk) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted my post

but I was there so the reference to the sun and mirror articles is incidental as it was a first hand account Willwatts23 (talk) 19:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

National Voter Registration Day

I noticed you posted "Lots of celeb blogs here ..." Do you have some suggestions on how I can improve the article? Gumballhead1of2 (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd stick to solid mainstream WP:NEWSORG-type sources - David Gerard (talk) 15:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ad Fontes an unreliable source.

Hi David, for future reference, could you link me to the RSP that points to Ad Fontes being an unreliable source. Thanks...Unnecessarily (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's right there on WP:RSP#Ad_Fontes_Media. There's a limit to which other editors can reasonably be expected to read for you after they've given you the page - David Gerard (talk) 09:46, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks David, I missed it on that. Quite an interesting list🤔

Unnecessarily (talk) 12:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

also I appreciate the condescension, nice one 👍Unnecessarily (talk) 12:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

you're welcome! - David Gerard (talk) 13:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yam Karkai

@David Gerard:, Can you please restore Yam Karkai or at least draftify it so I can improve it? If it looked like unambiguous advertising or promotion, that was definitely not my intention. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

sure, it's back now at Draft:Yam Karkai - David Gerard (talk) 07:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Currency Group Proposal Implementation?

Hi David Gerard, sorry to bother you on your Talk page but I’ve been trying to reach you about the proposal you weighed in on. Since the discussion about the proposal appears to have concluded, I was wondering if you would be able to implement the changes I suggested? Please let me know if I can be of any help, within the parameters of my COI. CertifiedTurtle (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 {{Ping|David Gerard}}, Can you please restore [[Yam Karkai]] or at least '''draftify''' it so I can improve it? If it looked like unambiguous advertising or promotion, that was  definitely not my intention. Thanks, [[User:Das osmnezz|Das osmnezz]] ([[User talk:Das osmnezz|talk]]) 07:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 :sure, it's back now at [[Draft:Yam Karkai]] - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard#top|talk]]) 07:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
+== Digital Currency Group Proposal Implementation? ==
+Hi [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]],  sorry to bother you on your Talk page but I’ve been trying to reach you about the [[Talk:Digital Currency Group#Corrections & Updates Needed|proposal]] you weighed in on. Since the discussion about the proposal appears to have concluded, I was wondering if you would be able to implement the changes I suggested? Please let me know if I can be of any help, within the parameters of my COI. [[User:CertifiedTurtle|CertifiedTurtle]] ([[User talk:CertifiedTurtle|talk]]) 16:44, 27 April 2023 (UTC)