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:Agreed [[Special:Contributions/2603:6000:C609:59A:8C50:707B:9BFC:EAF|2603:6000:C609:59A:8C50:707B:9BFC:EAF]] ([[User talk:2603:6000:C609:59A:8C50:707B:9BFC:EAF|talk]]) 00:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:This is a mass of [[WP:OR]] unfortunately. You'll need to provide some reliable secondary sourcing that makes this analysis. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 01:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
:This is a mass of [[WP:OR]] unfortunately. You'll need to provide some reliable secondary sourcing that makes this analysis. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 01:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::heres some of the sources of things i mention above, ill be able to find some more stuff tommorow. heres the basics at least |
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::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDQ7m2L9sK8& animated backstory cutscene (official youtube channel)] |
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::[https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Husk_of_Opulent_Dreams Genshin wiki containing his backstory text, taken directly from the game. Contains two of the quotes I reference above, as well as another chunk of lore referring to him as having been "born with a face fairer than any other." ] |
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::Profile dialogue copied directly from character "Ei/Raiden Shogun", his creator: (About Kunikuzushi): "He came about as a byproduct of creating the Shogun. Perhaps it's because I feel like I owe him something, but I do not wish to assert control over him." [https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Raiden_Shogun/Voice-Overs source 1] [https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/shougun_052/?lang=EN#delim_6 source 2] |
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::[https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Yae_Miko/Voice-Overs related character referring to him as Ei's creation, as well as referring to him as "It"] |
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::[https://art.seattleartmuseum.org/objects/9922/veil-kimono-katsugi-made-for-theater;jsessionid=8CC25C343558EB17C319DFEFE2D7D7BA;jsessionid=8CC25C343558EB17C319DFEFE2D7D7BA?ctx=50091244-97d8-4aa6-97af-4ea43d8ff3e5&idx=717 appearance of a katsugi veil, a female accesory. he is shown wearing one in the animated cutscene.] [https://dailyjapanesetextile.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/friday-august-31-2012/ (image of its appearance when worn)] |
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:: "Archon Quest, Chapter III, Act III - Dreams, Emptiness, Deception, Part 2: The Gaze From a Certain God" ingame contains the reveal of him as the Shoguns prototype. [[Special:Contributions/73.36.127.156|73.36.127.156]] ([[User talk:73.36.127.156|talk]]) 02:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Koi Boi
Koi Boi is a canonically trans superhero from The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and should be added to the list 70.19.50.150 (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. Do you have a reliable source to show that is the case? Historyday01 (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
sakura ōgami?
maybe add Sakura Ōgami from Danganronpa (Trigger Happy Havoc)?
"Some would say that a woman is incapable of becoming the strongest human alive. I want to prove them wrong." Inukoinu (talk) 08:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not particularly familiar with the source material but as far as I can tell she's just an extremely muscular cis woman? --Pokelova (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Scaramouche?
I would argue that Scaramouche from the game "Genshin Impact" should be included. He is intentionally written to imply he is Female to Male, though the word "transgender" is never brought up due to the publishing location of the game and their laws. The game tells you he was created by a female goddess to act as her vessel, but was tossed aside for being overemotional. The vessel we see her use during the events of the game is female, and idenitical to her goddess form, implying he must have been created as female as well; this is especially bolstered by the fact he was created (subconciously or conciously) to imitate the goddesses deceased sister, through narrative and design implication. Many of his accessories and various clothing items we see in both animated flash backs and in-game are historically female japanese costuming. It is also stated he was "changed" in some way by a mad scientist character, "Dottore", of which we are never exactly told what underwent (besides various 'power' video game lore jargon). Another character in his written backstory says the words, "you are neither man, nor mechanism." when speaking about his nature as a puppet, which can also be read as a double entendre. Another quote from the same/related text reads: "In Inazuma's traditional theater, there is a certain character known as "Kunikuzushi." Such characters are often schemers and usurpers of nations. At the end of his wanderings, he chose this name as an act of his own will. And as for the name he had once used, even he no longer remembered it."
Personally, I believe that he is at least a transgender allegory, and at most a clear representation of a trans male/genderqueer character in a censored video game. What do you guys think? 73.36.127.156 (talk) 00:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- agreed 204.83.108.66 (talk) 00:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed 2603:6000:C609:59A:8C50:707B:9BFC:EAF (talk) 00:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- This is a mass of WP:OR unfortunately. You'll need to provide some reliable secondary sourcing that makes this analysis. -- ferret (talk) 01:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- heres some of the sources of things i mention above, ill be able to find some more stuff tommorow. heres the basics at least
- animated backstory cutscene (official youtube channel)
- Genshin wiki containing his backstory text, taken directly from the game. Contains two of the quotes I reference above, as well as another chunk of lore referring to him as having been "born with a face fairer than any other."
- Profile dialogue copied directly from character "Ei/Raiden Shogun", his creator: (About Kunikuzushi): "He came about as a byproduct of creating the Shogun. Perhaps it's because I feel like I owe him something, but I do not wish to assert control over him." source 1 source 2
- related character referring to him as Ei's creation, as well as referring to him as "It"
- appearance of a katsugi veil, a female accesory. he is shown wearing one in the animated cutscene. (image of its appearance when worn)
- "Archon Quest, Chapter III, Act III - Dreams, Emptiness, Deception, Part 2: The Gaze From a Certain God" ingame contains the reveal of him as the Shoguns prototype. 73.36.127.156 (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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