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==Alternative definition== |
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== It would be nice if definitions of tuple were attributed to specific authors == |
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''an n-tuple can be defined in terms of sets as (a1,a2,...,an)= {a1,{a1,a2},{a1,a2,a3},...,{a1,a2,...an}}'' |
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Although a few different definitions of tuple are offered, only one definition is attributed to a specific author: the definition by Kuratowski. It would be nice if the other definitions of tuple were also attributed. As it is now, the other definitions don't even have footnotes. The definition of tuple as a function from the natural numbers to the elements of the tuple is reminiscent of a definition given by Felix Hausdorff in a 1967 paper. I'm not sure if that would be a reasonable attribution or not. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.174.176.71|67.174.176.71]] ([[User talk:67.174.176.71#top|talk]]) 16:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Would that not give the same for (1,2,1) and (1,2,2)? - [[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 11:01 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC) |
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== Dyad? == |
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:Yes it would. At least the inductive definition seems to be able to cope with duplicate elements without losing information. |
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Is dyad legit terminology for a 2-tuple? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.40.48.159|96.40.48.159]] ([[User talk:96.40.48.159#top|talk]]) 01:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Sure. Monad, dyad, triad are valid words for 1-tuple, 2-tuple, and 3-tuple. "Pair" is much more common than "dyad", but that doesn't make dyad wrong. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 05:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Anyone notice... == |
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That this article is just a shortened version of [http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/N/N/N-tuple.htm this?] |
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:Did you notice :"The source of this article is Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The text of this article is licensed under the GFDL." at the bottom? --[[User:MarSch|MarSch]] 1 July 2005 10:14 (UTC) |
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== Proposal for a Name for Tuples with a Length of Googol: Googuple == |
== Proposal for a Name for Tuples with a Length of Googol: Googuple == |
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Alternative definition
an n-tuple can be defined in terms of sets as (a1,a2,...,an)= {a1,{a1,a2},{a1,a2,a3},...,{a1,a2,...an}}
Would that not give the same for (1,2,1) and (1,2,2)? - Patrick 11:01 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
- Yes it would. At least the inductive definition seems to be able to cope with duplicate elements without losing information.
Anyone notice...
That this article is just a shortened version of this?
- Did you notice :"The source of this article is Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The text of this article is licensed under the GFDL." at the bottom? --MarSch 1 July 2005 10:14 (UTC)
Proposal for a Name for Tuples with a Length of Googol: Googuple
Hello everyone.
I am writing to propose a new term for tuples that have a length of googol (10^100) elements. At present, there is no widely recognized name for such a tuple. I would like to suggest the term "Googuple" as a potential candidate.
While "tuple of size googol" or "googol-tuple" are commonly used terms for this concept, I believe that "Googuple" would be a more concise and memorable term. Moreover, it would help prevent confusion between the number googol and the tuple of googol length.
Although "Googuple" is not yet an established term in the mathematical or computing communities, I propose it as a clear and concise alternative to the current terms in use. I invite your feedback on whether "Googuple" has merit as a term for tuples of length googol. Jossy010 (talk) 14:09, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not the place to invent new terms. See WP:NOTFORUM. Dr Greg talk 14:17, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Names for tuples of specific lengths
This section is unsourced. Even if it would be sourced it would not belong to this article, per WP:DICT. Although this could suffices to delete this section, these are not the main reason for deleting the section.
The article is about a mathematical concept called a "tuple". Therefore, for appearing in the section, a word must be commonly used to denote a mathematical tuple. This not the case here. Most of the names are not commonly used, and most of those that are commonly used are not used for refering to a mathematical tuple. For example, a quartet is not a tuple, but a musical group. Also, the words with the suffixe "uple" that are not created specifically for this article refer generally to multiples rather to tuples. The few words that are used for tuples, either appear already in the lead (singleton, ordered pair), or are those with the suffixe "plet" (triplet, quadruplet, etc). They are used for tuples in French, but I am not certain that they have exactly the same meaning in English. If they have, it is easy to add them in a single sentence in the lead. No need of a specific section.
So, this section is not worth for this article. It is also very confusing, as presenting as synonyms words that are far to be synonyms.
As all what precedes is based on common sense and Wikipedia policies and guidelines, restoring this section requires to be strongly motivated here. D.Lazard (talk) 16:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Officially Wikipedia Has No other tuple list so for people to learn so either add a multiple list or revert to my version ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CD:C881:38C0:399F:6C25:28F4:ED10 (talk) 17:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia doesn't need such a list. You can host it on your personal website or social media account. quattuordecuple, sexvigintuple, milluple, ronnuple, googuple, etc. are somewhere between vanishingly obscure and just made up. –jacobolus (t) 01:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- For now, I consider it sufficient just to delete the section which is unsourced for 8 months. If somebody comes up with a reliable source, the discussion here may be resumed. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- I concur. "Googuple" was invented in the section immediately above, for heaven's sake. Wikipedia is not the place to deposit things somebody made up one day. XOR'easter (talk) 16:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- For now, I consider it sufficient just to delete the section which is unsourced for 8 months. If somebody comes up with a reliable source, the discussion here may be resumed. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia doesn't need such a list. You can host it on your personal website or social media account. quattuordecuple, sexvigintuple, milluple, ronnuple, googuple, etc. are somewhere between vanishingly obscure and just made up. –jacobolus (t) 01:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
As consensus appears to be running against this section, and the IP has been blocked, I removed the section again. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Having had a look at what was being put in I agree it doesn't belong. In fact I think 'Crush Kill Destroy!" from Lost in Space would about describe my feelings. :-) NadVolum (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
I agree with D.Lazard's argument above. In addition that table significantly impaired the readability/visual appearance of the article, Flooding the screen directly after the lead with completely marginal information, the encyclopedic value of which seems rather dubious at best.--Kmhkmh (talk) 20:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)