Talk:William B. Allen

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Nccondor23 you wrote: he stated that "government destroyed the black family." I've gone to your source and added the text from there. I also downloaded the audio file and listened to it twice. I didn't find that quotation of yours. If you have a time code and I just missed it, let me know. Otherwise I am removing it as a fabricated quote. OckRaz ^talk 23:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll fix it Nccondor23 (talk) 23:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

it's fixed. it was a quote from CURE, of which he is the lead scholar...

are we good for now? until I add the workgroup stuff at some later date, at least? Nccondor23 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Putting quotation marks around the words suggests that he spoke them. That's a mis-attribution. If you put something in quotes, then it has to be properly attributed, which in this instance would mean assigning the phrase to CURE. OckRaz ^talk 00:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

it's been changed. Nccondor23 (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't mind your grammatical pedantry, it's been a good distraction in my current situation, but you overlook a lot to focus on my edits...including this biggie...the page starts with he is an American political scientist, but that category is NOT listed in the page's category section, nor is he a part of that category in wikipedia, though he clearly IS an American political scientist, regardless of his race.

you should turn your attention to that... Nccondor23 (talk) 00:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

i don't know how to change the categories.

i'll look into it though. OckRaz ^talk 00:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Cool.

Then look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr. Nccondor23 (talk) 00:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

maybe you'll prefer this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

you are letting your personal politics interfere with what Wikipedia is meant for.

The most important thing about William B. Allen at this moment in time is that he is a conservative political scientist/activist. That he does so in the garments of an academician is secondary to that fact. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

also, the idea that he is a conservative should automatically be considered pejorative by everyone who reads wikipedia says a lot about your ideology. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

and the fact that you can only consider William B. Allen's life and works in the context of how other African-American political scientists are written about on wikipedia says a lot about your bias, too. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

My bias is to keep his page consistent with the standards for pages about academics and not let people rewrite it in an arbitrary way just because they disapprove of his scholarship. OckRaz ^talk 01:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

it's not a pejorative, but the unique inclusion of politics for him but not his colleagues

would be prejudicial unless you can...

>do it following the guidelines for public figures (WP:BLP)

>establish relevance for the inclusion (WP:NO) and

>properly source the material (WP:RS) OckRaz ^talk 01:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)