Talk:William B. Allen

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Nccondor23 you wrote: he stated that "government destroyed the black family." I've gone to your source and added the text from there. I also downloaded the audio file and listened to it twice. I didn't find that quotation of yours. If you have a time code and I just missed it, let me know. Otherwise I am removing it as a fabricated quote. OckRaz ^talk 23:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll fix it Nccondor23 (talk) 23:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

it's fixed. it was a quote from CURE, of which he is the lead scholar...

are we good for now? until I add the workgroup stuff at some later date, at least? Nccondor23 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Putting quotation marks around the words suggests that he spoke them. That's a mis-attribution. If you put something in quotes, then it has to be properly attributed, which in this instance would mean assigning the phrase to CURE. OckRaz ^talk 00:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

it's been changed. Nccondor23 (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't mind your grammatical pedantry, it's been a good distraction in my current situation, but you overlook a lot to focus on my edits...including this biggie...the page starts with he is an American political scientist, but that category is NOT listed in the page's category section, nor is he a part of that category in wikipedia, though he clearly IS an American political scientist, regardless of his race.

you should turn your attention to that... Nccondor23 (talk) 00:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

i don't know how to change the categories.

i'll look into it though. OckRaz ^talk 00:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Cool.

Then look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr. Nccondor23 (talk) 00:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

maybe you'll prefer this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice

you are letting your personal politics interfere with what Wikipedia is meant for.

The most important thing about William B. Allen at this moment in time is that he is a conservative political scientist/activist. That he does so in the garments of an academician is secondary to that fact. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

also, the idea that he is a conservative should automatically be considered pejorative by everyone who reads wikipedia says a lot about your ideology. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

and the fact that you can only consider William B. Allen's life and works in the context of how other African-American political scientists are written about on wikipedia says a lot about your bias, too. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

My bias is to keep his page consistent with the standards for pages about academics and not let people rewrite it in an arbitrary way just because they disapprove of his scholarship. OckRaz ^talk 01:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

you mean "African-American academics" (even though Condolezza Rice is an academic, so you must mean "male African-American academics" even though the "standard" exists only in your mind).

and if you think the truth is arbitrary while you arbitrarily chose a standard, you haven't a clue what Occam's razor is about.

you seem to have failed to note that I didn't write a single opinion on Allen's opinions. I merely wrote (and cited, far more thoroughly than the rest of the page) about his actual record.

the bias is yours. and the funny thing is that you think I'm a democrat! I hate both parties, and even started a party to end both parties back in the 90s. but you can't see beyond your preconceptions.

"William B. Allen is a conservative African American political scholar." There is no bias there, only truth. A truth that you willfully suppress and then hide behind what is, essentially, nothing. Nccondor23 (talk) 01:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

"you mean "African-American academics" - No, I don't. I said academic because that is what I meant. You're fixated on the category i chose being african american despite the fact that (as I have said repeatedly) I looked through that one because it was fastest. Don't project your bias on to me.

African-American political scientists

American social scientists

American political philosophers

African-American philosophers

20th-century American philosophers

21st-century American philosophers

20th-century African-American academics

20th-century American academics

21st-century African-American academics

21st-century American academics

any of those will work as templates for proper form. OckRaz ^talk 02:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

it's not a pejorative, but the unique inclusion of politics for him but not his colleagues

would be prejudicial unless you can...

>do it following the guidelines for public figures (WP:BLP)

>establish relevance for the inclusion (WP:NO) and

>properly source the material (WP:RS) OckRaz ^talk 01:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

his colleagues?

his colleagues are white, politically active men.

good lord!

your links are pure nonsense, he is clearly conservative (as referenced), it is clearly notable (by his actions, speaking out on news outlets like NPR), and it is clearly within the guidelines.

get over yourself! as if you own all of wikipedia and just rule by childish fiat. you may as well be a reddit mod, so greedy for power...

seriously, there are over 2 dozen other categories, but you insist his page must be like all the other black political scholars?

seriously, man, you're not politically agnostic at all...

the idea that calling a conservative a conservative is prejudiced? not agnostic, not truth seeking, just simply arrogant bullying, with a side of bigotry (see preceding paragraph). Nccondor23 (talk) 01:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Buckley was a political commentator, not an academic.

Rice is a political scientist, but notice it doesn't say "conservative political scientist" as you wanted to do. Her political party is featured in the introduction to her page because she was SECSTATE (a member of the Bush administration), which is partisan politics. Allen was CCR, which is nonpartisan/bipartisan. OckRaz ^talk 01:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

oh, and you'd have been fine with "political scientist that is also conservative"...yeah, right

just stop.

have your dumb page. mislead the world. like the rest of them.

Jimmy ain't getting my 5 bucks any more, that's for damn sure... Nccondor23 (talk) 01:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)