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"Naf War"

I removed the entry for the Naf War. The ref seems to be to a three day skirmish referenced here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1106521.stm. Springnuts (talk) 15:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pratapaditya

Raged Bengali Wiki, provide proper citations with title, author name, publication, page numbers and quotations for the content you have added. I will check it again in few days. If you fail to do so I will remove them again. If you keep readding unsourced content/falsifying sources, I will have no other option but to report you. Please refer to WP:RS, WP:CITE to learn which are reliable sources and how to cite them in an article. A.Musketeer (talk) 03:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NVM, appears to be a sock. A.Musketeer (talk) 04:21, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am quite sure! Can you please file an SPI, A.Musketeer! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean user Mr.Victoren398 seems to be a sock! Ekdalian (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just did. Also, please do not move the page without discussion. Thanks. A.Musketeer (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Move & Revert

Hey A.Musketeer, can you please explain your logic in support of keeping 'Bangladesh' in the article name and not the more appropriate 'Bengal'! As Lancepark had mentioned while moving the article, 'accuracy for the Bengal region proper: eastern (now Bangaldesh) and western Bengal', you seem to have reverted them as well citing the same reason! Please share your objection. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Bengal is a historical geography as the article states. However, this list also includes modern wars and battles fought by Bangladesh, so titling it "List of wars involving Bengal" would be highly inaccurate. A.Musketeer (talk) 13:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry A.Musketeer, if we go by your logic, we have to split the article into two, and all pre-Bangaldesh information should ideally be moved to the other article on Bengal! Hope you understand, the formation of Bangaldesh as a separate nation is a comparatively recent event in history. I can smell Bangaldesh related POV from your talk page! Pinging neutral experienced editors.. @Fylindfotberserk, LukeEmily, Admantine123, and Aman.kumar.goel: please share your opinion. Thanks Ekdalian (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Before 1970s, we had lot of wars involving the region. And i can see that most of the events are from that period only. So, i will support Ekdalian in this case. The move is unjustified.-Admantine123 (talk) 16:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since most of the article is about wars before the creation of Bangladesh in 1971, it would be highly inaccurate to name it "List of wars involving Bangladesh" and an obvious case of WP:POVPUSH. I'd Support move of List of wars involving Bangladesh → List of wars involving Bengal. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ekdalian, there is no POV from my side, this article has always been titled as List of was involving Bangladesh for years, I'm not sure why we are even having this discussion. There is also a List of wars involving South Korea, nobody is trying to move it to List of wars involving Korea. Besides, as I said, Bengal is a historical entity and the list also includes modern wars and battles. For instance, both sides of Bengal participated in Indo-Pak wars of 1947 and 1965, but in opposing sides, so how would you explain those wars? If you want, you can create another article titled List of wars involving Bengal but please do not not move any content from here. A.Musketeer (talk) 21:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also pinging @LucrativeOffer, SRS 00, and Nafis Fuad Ayon: for their opinions on this matter. A.Musketeer (talk) 21:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We shall not act as per your wish; rather we shall follow the consensus! I have reviewed your talk page, and will take you to AE or an appropriate admin's talk page for POV pushing on South Asian topics! Till now, the consensus seems to be in favour of my move (any neutral editor would support me, needless to mention). Anyway, I shall wait for others, if they wish to respond! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 06:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Making personal attacks will rather weaken your own case. There is no consensus here. If you wish to move the page, start a WP:RM first. Please do not engage in move wars. A.Musketeer (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A. Musketeer, actually it's your case that is weak. Bangladesh was not in existence when the most of the events included in this list took place. This original article should remain the list of war involving Bengal only. In future, if it becomes voluminous enough, when Bangladesh will participate in new wars, you can think of seperating it into two.- Admantine123 (talk) 07:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you think my case is weak, please feel free to start a WP:RM and get a consensus to move the page. I am not sure what you meant by "Bangladesh was not in existence". The usual manual of style of these lists is to include all the wars involving current and predecessor states like List of wars involving South Korea, List of wars involving Sri Lanka, List of wars involving Myanmar and others. Thanks. A.Musketeer (talk) 08:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ekdalian and A.Musketeer:, Bengal is divided into two parts -east and west. These wars are not restricted to only the eastern part of Bengal, were they? Or are you sure that in every war, eastern part of Bengal was always involved? If no, it is not accurate to call them "List of wars involving Bangladesh". It can be called "list of wars involving Bengal" and we can specify that part of it includes present day Bangladesh(partly). Hence I agree with Ekdalian.LukeEmily (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just keep the title as it is. Bengal is a geographical/cultural region, not a political entity. Bangladesh is a political entity. We don't have any article on List of wars involving Arabian peninsula but we do have List of wars involving Saudi Arabia. If anyone thinks West Bengal is underrepresented here may be they can create List of wars involving West Bengal. LucrativeOffer (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::::::If you think my case is weak, please feel free to start a [[WP:RM]] and get a consensus to move the page. I am not sure what you meant by "Bangladesh was not in existence". The usual manual of style of these lists is to include all the wars involving current and predecessor states like [[List of wars involving South Korea]], [[List of wars involving Sri Lanka]], [[List of wars involving Myanmar]] and others. Thanks. [[User:A.Musketeer|A.Musketeer]] ([[User talk:A.Musketeer|talk]]) 08:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 ::::::::{{ping|Ekdalian|A.Musketeer}},  [[Bengal]] is divided into two parts -east and west. These wars are not restricted to only the eastern part of Bengal, were they? Or are you sure that in every war, eastern part of Bengal was always involved? If no, it is not accurate to call them "List of wars involving Bangladesh". It can be called "list of wars involving Bengal" and we can specify that part of it includes present day Bangladesh(partly). Hence I agree with Ekdalian.[[User:LukeEmily|LukeEmily]] ([[User talk:LukeEmily|talk]]) 18:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
+{{od}}Just keep the title as it is. [[Bengal]] is a geographical/cultural region, not a political entity. [[Bangladesh]] is a political entity. We don't have any article on [[List of wars involving Arabian peninsula]] but we do have [[List of wars involving Saudi Arabia]]. If anyone thinks [[West Bengal]] is underrepresented here may be they can create [[List of wars involving West Bengal]]. [[User:LucrativeOffer|LucrativeOffer]] ([[User talk:LucrativeOffer|talk]]) 19:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)