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Rise of the Kasai

Could someone take a look at the history of Rise of the Kasai? I think there was an article there before it's speedy deletion (might have been vandalized first). Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Formerly Japan exclusive video games

Please comment on the debate which is taking place on Category talk:Formerly Japan exclusive video games. Kariteh 15:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete. As noted, any Japanese game which is released in Japan and then later released in the US is a "formerly Japan-exclusive" title. Hence, there's really no point in having such a list. -- Slordak 16:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

A Load of Useless Templates

Can someone tell me why we have templates such as Template:Wii-screenshot, Template:C64-game-screenshot and all the other system-screenshot templates in Category:Video game media templates? It would be a lot simpler if we used a system such as Template:Game-cover, in which the editor specifies which category it falls in. I really am not a fan of all these different templates and different images, they should all be standardised to the WP:VG game controller to make recognition of category easier.

If others here agree with me, we could set the ball rolling for more heavy botwork to sort this out. What do you think? - hahnchen 18:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Tycoon Games

I was bold and moved the tycoon games project to a task force of our project in an attempt to revive it. I hope I changed what was needed, please help if I didn't. Greeves ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

That project is long defunct. Might as well kill it off. - hahnchen 22:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Land of the Legend discussion

I've invited JackSparrow Ninja to assert the web site's reliability (the site being [1]). After he's done so, would anyone care to comment? - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Notability doesn't enter into it, unless it has an article. Reliability is typically the issue, when using a website as a source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fansite. Pseudonymous authors, mostly just recaps stories from other sites, no apparent editorial control or oversight. Who is saying this is a good source? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

User:JackSparrow Ninja. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed several times before, see Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess/Archive 2#Is LotL a reliable source and countless other pages. Even if TSA's claims of plagiarism were untrue (and I'm not saying they are or aren't) I see nothing that makes this site more reliable than any other fansite. Garrett^Talk 05:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I've seen JackSparrow commenting on and linking to User:JackSparrow Ninja/Source reliability like it was some kind of semi-official body or guideline, when most of it is either slander or half-truths. He's not listed any of TSA's positives for The Hylia, nor has he bothered listing negatives for Land of Legend. To be quite frank, they're both just fansites and I wouldn't mind them all purged. On the other hand, I'm not too bothered if we leave the references in, although I'd take a reference to Official Nintendo Magazine and IGN over Land of Legend any day. - hahnchen 19:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Source reliability should be taken on a case by case basis. There is no golden rule for all scenerios. — Deckiller 19:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

First A-Class request up

Please view Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Assessment#Requests for A-Class status for the first nomination. Hopefully many more will follow! — Deckiller 16:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Banning spoiler warnings on the Final Fantasy Wikiproject

Please add your opinion to the discussion currently taking place on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy#Banning spoiler warnings completely. Kariteh 22:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Just as a clarification: spoiler warnings are handled on a case by case basis. In the case of the Final Fantasy WikiProject, the decision is with those editors who work on the Final Fantasy project. The project does not badger other projects around about this issue (unless it's an unassociated article without a wikiproject and most of the editors are against the tags), so it should not be vice versa. — Deckiller 22:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

No importance category

I think it should come back. Reason? Some people say that being of no importance in cvg means that it shouldn't have an article. However! Not all articles that are of no importance to the cvg spectrum only fall under cvg. And just by being associated with cvg does not mean it's of importance to it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I think low covers it well enough (it's not as if there's a huge diff between low and no), and changing it to "low-priority" removes that impression that we shouldn't have an article on it. Hbdragon88 03:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If it's of no importance to the VG project, then why would it be in it in the first place? I request an example to back your logic.--SeizureDog 05:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with SeizureDog. If something is not important to this project, it should not be tagged as being in the project at all. --- RockMFR 05:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

But just because it's not important does not mean it doesn't fall under the category of video games. Anyway, this discussion is irrelevant, since it's not even no importance anymore, but no priority. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It is my understanding that an article of low or no importance only relates to inclusion within the offline versions of Wikipedia, not it's relative merits in all of gaming. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 12:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Essentially, yeah. WP:1.0 will (eventually) be generating automated lists based on project assessments, and a no-importance assessment doesn't really fit there. Nifboy 13:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

(video game) naming consistancy

I have been going through and renaming articles with (game), (computer game), (arcade game), and others to be (video game) in an effort to obtain consistancy of titles like (film) has become. My logic is as follows:

• (game) is too vague. It should be used for articles like Tag (game).
• All arcade games are video games, but the ports that arcade games get are not covered by the former; (video game) covers everything. Same logic applies to (computer game).
• (video game) and (computer game) can be treated as synonyms, in which case (video game) is better as it is shorter.

Multiple video games with the same name are a case call:

• If released for only one console, use it (e.g. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Atari 2600)) (Note: People are seeming to not realize there are multiple games named E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, such as one for the GBA.)
• If multiple releases we made, or if both titles were for the same system (probably PC), then use (YEAR video game) (e.g. Air (1977 video game)
• Other formats may also be used per discussion at the articles themselves. (e.g. Aliens: The Computer Game (Software Studios), Air (visual novel))

I've tried to bring up discussion on the subject before, but there didn't seem to be much opposition, just people wanting a standard. Anyone else who wants to help is free to.--SeizureDog 09:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. Marasmusine 10:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand the logic for E.T., if it's the only E.T. video game why it can't use (video game)? I would understand it if there was another E.T. game released in 1982 for a different platform. --Mika1h 12:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If released for only one console, use it (e.g. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Atari 2600)). Under that logic then, not all (arcade game) titles should be moved to (video game) then, since not all were ported to other platforms. Just to make that clear. Likewise All arcade games are video games is not a true statement. We just got done discussing this here and correcting that Video_game_console here. Only games that generate an actual video signal (i.e. raster display) qualify under the actual definition. Vector games would not qualify, unless "video game" is being used under the broadest (and incorrect) generic terms. --Marty Goldberg 13:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

How about this?

• If there's no other thing with the same name, use the game's name. (E.g. Kwazy Quux)
• If there are no other video games with the same name, use (video game). (E.g. Kwazy Quux (video game).)
• If there's another video game of the same name...

  Use the platform on which the game was released, if the game was released on one single platform. Do not add (video game). (E.g. Kwazy Quux (DOS))

  Use the year of release, if the game was released on multiple platforms or if multiple different games were released on the same platform. Add (video game) only if there is going to be a possible naming conflict with another work of the same name (such as a book or film) released in the same year. (E.g. Kwazy Quux (1988), or Kwazy Quux (1988 video game) if a Kwazy Quux film came out that year.)

As a side note, I think splitting hairs on the definition of "video game" is a mistake. Games that use vector monitors are commonly known as video games, and they use many of the same principles of design, programming, presentation, and so forth. It's like saying such-and-such motion picure should not be called a "film" because it was recorded using a video camcorder or digital recorder. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I said in the first place. :| Except you say to drop the "video game" when using the year. --SeizureDog 04:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I think everything sounds great standards related. I just completely disagree with the splitting hairs part on definition of video - its not splitting hairs. This is an encyclopedia, and correct terminology has to be used. The matter of what a "video" game is by definition was already decided in the courts and a matter of fact. (I'm not aware of any any previous court cases or patents being defended with regards to film vs. video as a term). As I've said previously, I realize its gone on to be used (incorrectly) in the generic sense for almost any electronic game. Common useage does not equal correctness (i.e. just because people commonly refer to vector monitor games as "video" games does not mean its correct), however popular vernacular must still be covered here as well. As such, most definition entries include both. --Marty Goldberg 14:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Common usage tends to define correctness. Court decisions tend to resolve issues of patent or trademark, not issues of terminology. That said, I'm not saying it's a good idea to refer to individual vector games in particular as video games, but, like the "computer and video games" silliness from before, it isn't a mistake to include vector games when referring to video games collectively. I don't want to go back to the CVG madness with "video and vector games." - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do NOT disambiguate by system such as E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Atari 2600), I'd much prefer (video game) or (computer game) instead. It makes it a lot easier for the layman to get to, as they might not know on which system the game was released on. Other than that, I don't see it as a big deal, I usually use (computer game) and if 2 games have the same name, than I disambiguate by year. - hahnchen 18:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you objecting to my system, or Mika1h's? I was simply trying to reflect and codify existing practice. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I was objecting to seizureDog up top. I understand what you were trying to do, I follow the disambiguate two games of the same name by year rule. - hahnchen 19:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, E.T. would use (video game) but there are another games with the same title (but nobody's bother to make articles for them yet). And people certainly remember which system a game came out for more far easily than they do the year. --SeizureDog 04:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with A Man in Black's initial proposal. Problem is.. I see a computer game more for a computer, and video game for console (PS, PS2, Xbox, etc.). Calling, say, The Sims a video game, just doesn't equate for me, really. Disinclination 23:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Project consensus is strongly against making a distinction between computer and video games, AFAICT. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Project consensus is that the top level is video games, which can be subdivided into computer games, console games, arcade games and such, and then subdivided from there by system (Windows, Dos, PS2, etc.) Ergo, calling something "Game Name (computer game)" is like naming it "Game Name(console game)", so we'd rather either call it video game or go all the way down to individual system (if necessary). --PresN 15:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

PresN said it better than I did. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Celebrity / video game lists.

I recently extracted a gradually-bloating List of celebrity gamers from Gamer. Since a few of the entries were actually celebrity cameo appearances (rather than specific gaming interests) I've also started List of celebrity appearances in video games.

However, since I've wavered into listcruft before, I thought I'd stop and get project member opinions before I continue. Thanks for any comments. Marasmusine 11:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugh...this looks like a list for the sake of being a list. We could just shaft these over to the respective BLP articles and leave it at that, rather than grouping them together. As a start, I've chucked out the claims that had fact tags on them, as it involves WP:BLP. Hbdragon88 17:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, WP:BLP involves possibly defamatory claims; is saying someone plays video games defamatory? That said, this is a list for list's sake, I'm pretty sure. None of these people are noted for playing video games; all of these references are either famous people being interviewed or mentioned on game fansites, or trivial references in interviews on other subjects. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

BLP is not just for negative claims, though it's often used for it: Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space. Hbdragon88 17:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's not particularly contentious, either, but I sympathize with the intent. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm questioning it, so I'm removing it. Hbdragon88 18:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

You're right to remove the uncited entries. As for the list itself, I'm begining to think it's a bit pointless; I'm sure most celebs like playing some game or another. If this is the case, should the 'celebrity gamers' section on gamer be completely removed? How about List of celebrity appearances in video games?

I think both lists should be sent to AFD. It's listcruft that certainly isn't very notable. Why is it important to know celebrities play games? And why is it important to know their appearances in games? Appearances in games is a little notable I suppose, but celebrities that play games doesn't seem like an important enough list. RobJ1981 23:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, no need for AfD, I'll speedy it and remove it completely from gamer. I'll work on the latter list though. Marasmusine 08:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of listcruft, does anyone have an opinion on List of Wii games using Miis. It's a tiny article and I think the tables could easily be shrunk and they'd be of much more use on the Mii article rather than having to click on a separate link to see 2 table of just 7 games. Timkovski 12:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Soulcalibur

I ask once more, can somebody involved in video gaming look over every single article on Soulcalibur characters and do something about the {{unencyclopedic}} tags there? Thank you. >Radiant< 17:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an SC fan, but I finally located an article that had one of those tags on them. Kill them. A "Character analysis" section without a single citation is a textbook violation of WP:ATT. Hbdragon88 03:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Character analyses have been removed. That entire section of Wikipedia needs a lot of work. — Deckiller 01:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Video Game Images Task Force?

I was going to start a Video Game Images WikiProject, devoted to including images and boxart in every Video Game article on Wikipedia, but it seems that it would make a good task force. Does anyone agree/want to be a part of it? NiGHTS into Dreams... 00:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this would be a good idea, and I'll try to help out. The new features of the cvgproj talk banner would be helpful here. JACOPLANE • 2007-03-25 00:52

Are you interested in making a task force centered around this, or just making this an item on the to-do list? (Also, who do we need to contact about adding this as a task force?) NiGHTS into Dreams... 01:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

To my knowledge there's no leader or council for this project, so just get a consensus and a few members and go to town. I would suggest getting a subpage for your group though.--Clyde (talk) 01:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, subpage added, here! Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Video Game Images Task Force

I'll help out if you need more people involved. --Marty Goldberg 05:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool! Anyone and everyone interested in helping just sign the "Participants" section and get to uploading! NiGHTS into Dreams... 13:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Dedicated video game consoles

Shouldn't the Dedicated video game consoles template be added to the video game history pages? I believe that it used to be on the now-defunct comparison pages. Bevinsky 11:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

VG PR

The VG PR has a problem. We have several games that are up for regular Peer review, but they did not show up in the bottom section of the VG peer review. Also, the Serious Sam II PR was archived, yet it still shows up on the VG PR page. What is with the breakdown and how can it be fixed?--Clyde (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Not Appearing
• Wikipedia:Peer review/The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
• Wikipedia:Peer review/Final Fantasy XII
• Wikipedia:Peer review/Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit)
• and Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Peer review/Wii Remote is listed incorrectly

The answer is blindingly easy- the articles don't show up there automatically. Never have. The way to fix it is to place/remove them from the page as they are placed/removed from the PR page. Also, update the VG gamebox. --PresN 22:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow I am stupid. I should check my brain to see if it is still there....--Clyde (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

A list of articles that need work

Here is a list of articles that are in serious need of work:

• Spore (video game): the game isn't out, and the article is massive. I don't even want to think of how big the article will be when the game actually is released. Splitting into other articles is possible: but copyediting and other things to condense this should be done first. It shouldn't be a complete case of "it's too big, let's just split it". It's a massive game, but that certainly doesn't mean the article has to be massive.
• Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (video game): This (along with most other Harry Potter games) are cluttered lists, and not much else. I've asked at the Harry Potter project for help on this one (not many responses there yet).
• Tony Hawk's (series): Just about every game listed on the series page, suffers from massive, bad formatted and cluttered lists as well.

I think that's about it, but feel free to add others. RobJ1981 00:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Raw material for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time article

Hi all. Months ago, I tried my hand at revamping the Ocarina of Time article without actually submitting my results. I'm not active at Wikipedia anymore, but I thought some of the material could be used to better the article. The material is located in my sandbox: User:Tristam/sandbox. If it looks like a huge wall of text, it's because it's a combination of what I wrote, what other Wikipedia users wrote, and material from other sources; I never organized it or weeded any of it out. There's probably also a lot of shorthand (such as reminders to myself about what to write) and other nonsense only I would understand. However, there are more than a few complete paragraphs in there that would really help the article (e.g., introduction, first paragraph of the plot, the first three paragraphs of the "gameplay" section, and others). Hope this helps out. --Tristam

SSX 3 Update

I'm pretty new here, but I've been looking around pages I know about to see if I can improve them (mostly typos :D) Anyway, looking at the SSX 3 page, there is LOADS of bad info and missing info, which I'll try to add within the next two weeks. If no-one minds, I'll also split each character's data into seperate pages, like Tricky's Kaori Nishidake and Elise Riggs.

P.S. Some tips would be appreciated, in my talk page is probably easiest :D

At0m1Ca 14 14:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

If they are one time characters, a page for each them isn't necessary. I'm no expert on SSX, so I can't be of much help here. RobJ1981 18:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually I've had a change of heart. Seeing as I have 3 of 5 games and a strong knowledge of the series, I will go back to my original idea of a page per character, And put in all the information from each game they appear in. I can do bio's and info from Tricky to On Tour, and the rest as well as unlockables I can find by walkthroughs. I think that'll be sufficient data :D I'll try to do it within a month :D At0m1Ca 14 08:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Current GCOTW

Kirby Super Star - Please give a hand, honeys! - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Devil May Cry Task Force

Okay me and a group of users decided to organize a task force to keep the DMC articles in top shape, it was originally proposed as a WikiProject but we ultimately decided to be a task force and to work under this project, just letting you know, any comments you have please contact me or leave a message at the Task Force's talk page. Cheers! -DDF

Compromise reached on Soul Calibur character articles

Bethereds has agreed to leave the katakana in the leads as long as it is at the end. I think this is a reasonable enough compromise and so I've edited the remaining articles for consistency. Whether the entire thing should be moved to the bottom as a footnote is something else that might be considered. I've also reverted the name on the Mitsurugi article. Thank you everyone for your assistance in the dispute. Articles in question: Hwang Seong-gyeong, Seong Mi-na, Hong Yun-seong, Seong Han Myeong -- Exitmoose 03:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

List of characters in Rayman

I'm starting a list for characters pertaining to the Rayman series of games. Any help is appreciated. — Canderous Ordo 10:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Change to cvgproj template

Made some changes to the {{cvgproj}} template. The parameter |tf=Name of task force will indicate that an article is supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Name of task force, which currently means Capcom, Devil May Cry, Konami, Sega, and Tycoon games. I would suggest that any new task forces must first be proposed on this talk page first, though. Also, the images task force is up and running, and can be tagged to an article by using |screenshot=yes and |cover=yes. See Template talk:Cvgproj for a full description. JACOPLANE • 2007-03-27 19:21

Joining

Hi i would like to join this wikiProject. Where do i sign up? Thanks - Cocopopz2005 03:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Here. And welcome, sir! ♣ Klptyzm ^{Chat wit' me § Contributions} ♣ 05:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding your name there is all you need to do, and even that is optional. Wikiprojects are informal collaborations, so if you want to improve video game articles, you're already a member of the project. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)