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::Yeah, collaborating with nazis and organizing violent purge of civilians is definitely ''unproblematic''.
::Yeah, collaborating with nazis and organizing violent purge of civilians is definitely ''unproblematic''.
::Also, [https://web.archive.org/web/20150307120906/http://www.istpravda.com.ua/research/2011/08/8/50048/ Soviet authorities persecuted him and his entire family]. While Soviets were evil, they wouldn't go to such lengths after a regular criminal, especially in 1950s (keep in mind that [[NKVD]] was already dissolved 4 years prior). What else do you want, a UN resoultion? International tribunal 80 years after the events happened. Calling him simply ''nationalist'' is akin to whitewashing [[Oskar Dirlewanger]] or [[Joachim Peiper]] as mere ''military officers''. [[Special:Contributions/85.193.204.141|85.193.204.141]] ([[User talk:85.193.204.141|talk]]) 15:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
::Also, [https://web.archive.org/web/20150307120906/http://www.istpravda.com.ua/research/2011/08/8/50048/ Soviet authorities persecuted him and his entire family]. While Soviets were evil, they wouldn't go to such lengths after a regular criminal, especially in 1950s (keep in mind that [[NKVD]] was already dissolved 4 years prior). What else do you want, a UN resoultion? International tribunal 80 years after the events happened. Calling him simply ''nationalist'' is akin to whitewashing [[Oskar Dirlewanger]] or [[Joachim Peiper]] as mere ''military officers''. [[Special:Contributions/85.193.204.141|85.193.204.141]] ([[User talk:85.193.204.141|talk]]) 15:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:Oh, and [https://www.rp.pl/konflikty-zbrojne/art39640921-w-nocnym-ataku-rosji-na-ukraine-zniszczone-zostalo-muzeum-dowodcy-upa-we-lwowie there] you have a rather reliable [[Rzeczpospolita (newspaper)|Rzeczpospolita newspaper]] article about today's strike. Note the fragment:
::PL: ''Szuchewycz, jako dowódca UPA, jest bezpośrednio odpowiedzialny za zbrodnie na Polakach dokonywane przez Ukraińską Powstańczą Armię w czasie rzezi wołyńskiej.''
::EN: ''Shukhevych, as the commander of the UPA, is directly responsible for the crimes against Poles committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during the Volhynia massacre.''
:[[Special:Contributions/85.193.204.141|85.193.204.141]] ([[User talk:85.193.204.141|talk]]) 15:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Jan. 1st

A museum dedicated to Ukrainian nationalist Roman Shukhevych...

Nationalist? He was a major war criminal responsible for ethnic cleansings. It should be changed to something like

A museum dedicated to Ukrainian war criminal Roman Shukhevych...

For reference, from Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia article:

Roman Shukhevych, a UPA commander, stated in his order from 25 February 1944: "In view of the success of the Soviet forces it is necessary to speed up the liquidation of the Poles, they must be totally wiped out, their villages burned... only the Polish population must be destroyed".

85.193.204.141 (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has he been officially recognized? If not, the word nationalist is the most sober description that can be done for now. Borgenland (talk) 14:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a joke? His article already lists plenty of sources naming him a war criminal, this is one of them.
Shukhevych’s critics portray him as a war criminal; his admirers either overlook this episode or regard his collaboration with Nazi Germany as unproblematic.
Yeah, collaborating with nazis and organizing violent purge of civilians is definitely unproblematic.
Also, Soviet authorities persecuted him and his entire family. While Soviets were evil, they wouldn't go to such lengths after a regular criminal, especially in 1950s (keep in mind that NKVD was already dissolved 4 years prior). What else do you want, a UN resoultion? International tribunal 80 years after the events happened. Calling him simply nationalist is akin to whitewashing Oskar Dirlewanger or Joachim Peiper as mere military officers. 85.193.204.141 (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and there you have a rather reliable Rzeczpospolita newspaper article about today's strike. Note the fragment:
PL: Szuchewycz, jako dowódca UPA, jest bezpośrednio odpowiedzialny za zbrodnie na Polakach dokonywane przez Ukraińską Powstańczą Armię w czasie rzezi wołyńskiej.
EN: Shukhevych, as the commander of the UPA, is directly responsible for the crimes against Poles committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during the Volhynia massacre.
85.193.204.141 (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]