User talk:Atmospherpolyphonic

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January 2024

Hello. Some of your recent genre changes have conflicted with our neutral point of view and/or verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Indie Soul

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A tag has been placed on Indie Soul requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about something invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone they know personally, and it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time.

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Hi SOETERMANS, this is a very common style of music and term used to describe many artists in the genre. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/lindsay-lou-billy-strings-queen-of-time-1234919917/

https://rollingstoneindia.com/pune-band-fourth-lane-release-genre-bending-debut-ep-mood-swings/

https://everynoise.com/engenremap-indiesoul.html

https://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/the-200-best-albums-of-the-2010s/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N0KP00O/

As you can see from pitch fork, rolling stone, spotify, Reuters, etc etc. You should take a listen! Its great stuff. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• I can't access the Rolling Stone article, but the headline, "Lindsay Lou Is Poised to Be the Next Bluegrass Queen", doesn't suggests it is about indie soul
• The Rolling Stone India mentions it once, the subtitle of the header ("Pune Band Fourth Lane Release Genre-Bending Debut EP ‘Mood Swings’

The five-track record houses pop-rock, Celtic and indie soul music")

• Everynoise states "Every Noise at Once is an ongoing attempt at an algorithmically-generated, readability-adjusted scatter-plot of the musical genre-space, based on data tracked and analyzed for 6,291 genre-shaped distinctions by Spotify as of 2023-11-19." Generated by an algorithm, based upon Spotify.
• Pitchfork list says Chvrches' "On their debut album, Chvrches ushered in a new era of dance pop with an indie soul." Not about a genre, but it's used as an adjective to describe the type of dance pop
• The Reuters article on Sharon Jones of Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings mentions it once ("the sixth release from the indie soul group credited with reviving the genre a dozen years ago.") Reviving the genre of soul, and they happen to be an independent band, i.e., not signed to a major label.

None of these results actually discuss 'indie soul' as an independent, standalone musical genre. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Im not trying to get in an argument here, I just sent you a couple articles quickly in our side chat. An admin already removed the speedy deletion and you seem to have added it again. This is 100% a music genre did you not google it? I am not sure why this seems adversarial, that was not my intention at all. in https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/best-rb-albums-of-2016-so-far-170635/

Anderson Paak’s Malibu begins with his gospel-raised voice and, less frequently, a rambling rap style honed alongside subterranean crews like (the sadly defunct) Hellfyre Club; and then rambles across crate-digger beat loops and pimp-ish brags. His persona seems more rooted in indie hip-hop, at least for those unfamiliar with indie-soul predecessors like Sa-Ra Creative Partners Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that they did not add the speedy deletion template again; it is another template with a link to a deletion discussion here. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 21:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok this just feels like one of those situation of unintentional whiteism that someone can be arguing that a widely acknowledge genre of black culture doesnt exist. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Literally every music site, apple, amazon, spotify, radio has an "indie soul" it seems very weird that this you are pushing back about it? Am I missing something here? Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

https://www.pbs.org/show/indie-soul-journeys/ there's not only a feature film but a whole docuseries about it Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

And a festival. I mean I feel like this is a "the sky is blue" situation. https://www.nepm.org/regional-news/2021-08-18/springfields-indie-soul-festival-is-about-music-and-what-happens-between-songs Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Figuring out Wikipedia also includes learning to judge what are reliable sources. A passing mention in a best of 2016 album list does not help. Music streaming services like Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon algorithmically 'create' playlists and music stations. A PBS series that describes itself as "Indie Soul Journeys is a television music docuseries devoted to the personal inspirational and musical stories of independent soul, R&B, and urban alternative artists who are still following Black American Music traditions in the modern musical era." might definitely have the title 'indie soul', but again does not somehow mean it is its own musical genre. We go by reliable sources, like music critics and music magazines and websites. Indie, short for independent, doesn't automatically mean a particular sound or style. You brought up Sharon Jones and Anderson Paak. Can you find a source that suggests they make the same kind of music? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 22:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Please, slow down

Hi Atmospherpolyphonic, it's fantastic that you want to help out Wikipedia. But please, slow down! You are kind of acting like a WP:GENREWARRIOR, by adding unsourced genres to articles on musical acts. Have you taken a moment to check out the guidelines? There you'll read about what Wikipedia is all about, what its core guidelines are. Sources are very important, a website like this is not considered a reliable source to consider 'indie soul' to be a whole different genre of music. You'll need some time to get used to Wikipedia, so please, take a step back and familiarize yourself with it. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I will add the sources, sorry for working in a backwards method, I just realized there hadnt been any work done in the area and was doing so. I have sources for all. Will address now. As far as Every Noise All At Once. It is probably the most authoritative database of music in the world actually. It is a AI based database that a guy(Glenn McDonald) developed many years ago to Map music and music styles. Spotify hired him and bought the database and it is one of three prongs of everything that spotify does for suggesting similar music. He was just fired last month but for the past many years he has run Spotifys music catalog. He is considered the peimenatie voice on music genre and connective sounds. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I didn't realize that this would at all be controversial/contested because it was quite widespread and normal to me. My apologies. Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

If you are interested in music sound history and or music genres his book is amazing. Its called you have not yet heard your favourite song Atmospherpolyphonic (talk) 21:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Indie soul for deletion

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soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)