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J. Spencer Lanthier

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I stumbled across this article yet could not find WP:BLP-abiding sources for that topic on search engine. Therefore, I nominated here to generate discussion on to delete this unsourced biography. बिनोद थारू (talk) 16:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. बिनोद थारू (talk) 16:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• A member of the Order of Canada meets "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" for notability. 99.253.42.249 (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but I later failed to find any significant coverage in secondary sources, which is why I started this deletion discussion. बिनोद थारू (talk) 17:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Although WP:ANYBIO also notes: "conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included", so would need to be backed up by non-primary WP:SIGCOV. I can see numerous run-of-the-mill news reports to substantiate a number of claims in the articles via newspapers.com (where the subject has achieved a new position), but not much in the way of secondary significant coverage. Curiously, there is not much coverage of the subject across the period 1999-2000, when he received the honour. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - obviously notable. Order of Canada. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 18:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. The Order of Canada is an acceptable notability claim if the article can be sourced properly, but it is not so "inherently" notable that a subject would be exempted from having to have any reliable sourcing just because the article has the words "Order of Canada" in it. Even people with notability claims still have to have sourcing, which this doesn't. Bearcat (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Keep It's borderline, but I think the Order of Canada and coverage of the failed 1999 KPMG/Arthur Andersen merger push it just over the line. I've added some sources to the article. Wall Street Journal also covered Lanthier's role in the failed merger. Jfire (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, considering he's a Member of the Order of Canada (the third tier), which seems to be the equivalent of a British MBE, certainly not a fast-track conferal of notability on Wikipedia. Being a CEO of an large accountancy firm wouldn't qualify him either. Sionk (talk) 18:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree with Sionk (talk). I wouldn't regard a British MBE as inherently a badge of notability, and I don't think this is, either. Athel cb (talk) 12:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
• Just a small comment, the Order of Canada is not a political appointment, it is done via people being nominated (https://www.gg.ca/en/honours/canadian-honours/order-canada/nominate-someone) and an advisory committee reviews the individual or group. It is a high Canadian honour. YUL89YYZ (talk) 18:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

  OK, but in that case it's a higher honour than MBE, which is the lowest grade of the Order of the British Empire, lower even than OBE, which is sometimes said to stand for "Other Bugger's Effort". Athel cb (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Can we get to a consensus as to whether beign awarded a Member of the Order of Canada is sufficient for per se notability? Bearian (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  If the Order of Canada isn't a well-known and significant award or honor as specified by WP:ANYBIO#1, I think we need to rewrite ANYBIO. It's surely sufficient per se for notability if you're of the line of thought that there are things that can make a person notable per se. -- asilvering (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Trying one more week's relisting. Right now, it looks like No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in the article and found in BEFORE are database listings/name mentions, nothing that meet WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Being a Member of the Order of Canada,. does not meet ANYBIO and there is no WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV about the subject related to receiving this award. Also not seeing any WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth related to their business career. BLPs require strong sourcing. Ping me if sources are found.  // Timothy :: talk  22:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - If the Order of Canada isn't considered "a well-known and significant award or honor" as specified by WP:ANYBIO#1, perhaps we should reconsider to abolish the rule ANYBIO. I don't harbor jealousy towards someone who has been awarded the COC. Thanks. 1.47.195.61 (talk) 14:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• I fail to understand how every NHL hockey player (here is an example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Britz who played 8 games) has an article but the Order of Canada is not worthy or notable. It is much more difficult to get the Order of Canada. Not to vent (which I guess I am) but this has been one of the main reasons I no longer contribute to Wikipedia. YUL89YYZ (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)