Talk:Whadjuk

Latin species names

Shouldn't we put these in italics? Callophylla 00:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do John D. Croft 16:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ochre mined at Perth Station was exported to Uluru/Ayers Rock?!

Removed this. Daisy Bates is not a reliable source and she obviously wasn't award of old, large scale sites for high quality ochre, in non-Noongar country like Wilgie Mia (near Cue) and inbetween both Uluru and Perth (which has little, if any, ochre deposits at all). Grant | Talk 10:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Inclusion of Noongar names?

Relevant edits: [1][2][3] Original discussion, for reference: User talk:Mitch Ames#Removal of Noongar_names. Mitch Ames. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames and I have a disagreement regarding whether or not the inclusion of Noongar names for some of the plants and animals in the subsection on seasons is appropriate/within scope.

Other opinions on this would be helpful to resolve the impasse.

The following is copy pasted from Mitch Ames talk page. It is the discussion I started after Mitch removed the Noongar names. Apologies about the terrible formatting.

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Hey there, just wanted to discuss your removal of the Noongar names from the article on the Whadjuk people.

I think including them is quite relevant and of interest to any reader interested in the subject. I don't see why a reader wouldn't be curious about this info if they've gone through the effort of finding a particular article on one of the Noongar people.

Your comments about the section on the seasons including irrelevant information regarding plants and animals is not considering the fact that these things are inextricably linked. The Noongar seasons are not conceptualised the same way the winter, spring, summer, autumn system is; they are noticed to start and end when particular patterns are seen among the plants and animals.

Happy to raise this for discussion somewhere else if you feel just as strongly. FropFrop (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

   "information regarding plants and animals ... these things are inextricably linked" — The seasons are characterised/determined by the behaviour of plants and animals, but not by what the Noongar call those plants and animals. Thus the Noongar names for the plants/animals are irrelevant to the definitions for the seasons - the English name will do just as well, and more meaningfully for the Anglophone reader. The purpose of the section is to explain the seasons, in English (the language that Enlish Wikipedia is written in), not to teach other Noongar words.
   If you are asserting that the name of a particular season is derived from the Noongar name of a plant/animal – eg (hypothetically) that the word Birak gets its name from the Noongar words Bir meaning fruit and ak meaning easterly wind – then you would have a case, provided that the article said so explicitly, with references.
   Mitch Ames (talk) 07:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

   No sorry, one of my points was that the names are likely of interest to a reader. My second point was in response to your edit comment that the section is about seasons and not plants/animals, when the determination of when the seasons begin and end is done, in part, by observing plants and animals.
   Regardless, we disagree. I'll make a post asking for others' input. FropFrop (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC) FropFrop (talk) 22:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

the names are likely of interest to a reader — Some Noongar words might be of interest to the reader, but that does not imply that they belong in this article. This article/section is not about those plants/animals, nor is it the place to teach Noongar words (with the common exception of the article's subject, or examples in an article about the language itself), nor an English/Noongar dictionary. We can describe the demarcation of the seasons in English and it will impart just as much information about the seasons as if we had done it in Noongar (or Latin). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

This discussion is one of the most exemplary items of absurd futility that I have seen on any subject for a long time - https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Talk:Whadjuk - the actual likelihood of other editors to even know of the discussion occurring, like... 0 watchers/readers average in 90 days - why bother? One really wonders. JarrahTree 13:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)