User talk:Mitch Ames

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Ahh a new white space to invade[edit]

[1] oh yes it can, often, vested land does not need to have some person editing and claiming the ocean is the boundary, if there is an island there it could well be vested in the park - have a look at a map for instance [2] this also goes back to the angst you had over islands being named as being in regions, some nominated regions do go over the beach high water line and out into the water, even when you dont want to think they can :) cheers JarrahTree 01:00, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

See Talk:Waychinicup National Park#Bald Island. As always, I'd prefer to discuss article edits on the article talk page, so that all interested parties can easily see/find the discussion.
Re islands and regions - it wasn't their being named as being in regions, it was them being categorized as being in the wheatbelt in the absence of any source that defined them as such. Also whether or not we complied with WP:SUBCAT.
Mitch Ames (talk) 06:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
also well worth having userpage and noindex tabs on your talk, keeps the heebiejeebies away JarrahTree 01:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
imho, a classic case of where PR and web based marketing removes access to helpful data about establishment dates and boundaries - I can think of numerous websites where genuine information is swept away by the desire for cleaner websites. JarrahTree 06:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

beg to differ[edit]

here again, where is that grain receival points trumps wheatbelt towns? JarrahTree 13:11, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Please link to the specific edit that you disagree with, so that I can give an appropriate answer. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:12, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

youve just removed wheatbelt from merredin - most people in merredin would identify first being in a wheatbelt town nd their grain silo is of less importance, or what do you say if i was to point out that grain receival points are a moveable feast, but towns are always there? and the wheatbelt town as a possible category is a possibly better category tree than towns in wa and wheatbelt in wa ? or words to that effectJarrahTree 13:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Per my edit comment, Category:Wheatbelt (Western Australia) is a parent/super-category of Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia, so - in accordance with WP:SUBCAT - if the article is in the latter, it ought not also be (directly) in the former.
However, I suspect that Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia should not be in Category:Wheatbelt (Western Australia), because some of the entries in Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia are not in the wheatbelt (eg Ravensthorpe, Western Australia in the [Shire of Ravensthorpe]] which is in Goldfields-Esperance, and Esperance, Western Australia).
I propose that the solution is to remove Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia from Category:Wheatbelt (Western Australia) and revert my recent changes based on SUBCAT and that hierarchy.
I'm knocking off for the evening, so I won't do any more tonight, and I'll leave any further article/cat edits until we agree on the cat hierarchy and/or SUBCAT compliance. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:28, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Actually there is even more to it than what you have outlines, hey its gonna need some further discussion down th eline - catch you later on this one, as I think the grain industry in wa stuff might need to be fixed up as well... cheers for the moe JarrahTree 13:44, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure there's a lot more work to do on the wheatbelt and grain industry in general, but that doesn't stop us from fixing some of the lesser issues such as categorization. It seems clear that not all Grain receival points of Western Australia are in the Wheatbelt region. Some of the pages listed in the category are not in the Wheatbelt, and CBH grain receival points (the main article for Category:Grain receival points of Western Australia) includes Geraldton, Kwinana, Albany, Esperance - none of which are in the wheatbelt region. I've no doubt that grain receival points are closely associate with the wheatbelt, but they are not all in the wheatbelt, so ought not be categorised as such. Thus I propose the following:
Agree? Disagree? Alternatives? Mitch Ames (talk) 04:19, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
not sure which sort of congratulatory sign or message is required here - agree - and my profound thank you for putting the effort into this. Under the pump in real life due to some issues, such a message comes as a well reasoned lump of good news from the sky, so to speak, and my head doesnt hurt. Thanks. JarrahTree 11:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Mitch Ames (talk) 12:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

first[edit]

thanks for your help, it is great, and appreciated, I am not sure I follow the all included bit. JarrahTree 12:32, 19 March 2016 (UTC) sorry do you mean sub cat and cat all in one group? JarrahTree 12:33, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

oops off for about 2 hours... JarrahTree 12:36, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
wow snowball multiplier effect, all the crappy stub articles for things adjacent need fixing up and adding material... looks like a lot more work than I expected!! JarrahTree 14:33, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Following on from User talk:JarrahTree#Category:Cathedral Square, Perth...
At the time I wrote [4] (and made the edits linked therein) Category:Cathedral Square, Perth was a supercategory of Category:Pier Street, Perth, so (per WP:SUBCAT) the articles did not need to be listed in Category:Cathedral Square, Perth (because they were already in Category:Pier Street, Perth). Adding {{All included}} may have been appropriate so that all articles could appear directly in Category:Cathedral Square, Perth. However since then category hierarchy has reversed - Pier is the supercat, Cathedral Square is the subcat, so my comment of yesterday 20:30 is no longer relevent. (It has occurred to me later last night that the hierarchy that I'd seen was probably wrong - because not all items in Pier St would be in Cathedral Square - and I had intended to look at it today, but you and Evad37 have already fixed it.)
Of course now the reverse applies - all of the items in Category:Cathedral Square, Perth should be removed from direct inclusion in Category:Pier Street, Perth etc, so they are not directly in both the child (Cathedral Square) and parent (Pier St) categories. But, before I do that, does anyone think that Category:Pier Street, Perth, Category:St Georges Terrace etc should be marked as {{All included}} so that the articles can be included directoy in both parent and child cats? Mitch Ames (talk) 02:29, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
I'll need to have a drink one that one. Hey thanks for what you have been doing, appreciated!! JarrahTree
Personally, I do not think that {{All included}} is appropriate. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Fixed. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

opportunistic plagiaristic loops[edit]

Must explain to you next meetup the loops that exist in relation to authors who have written for widsom books, not worth the unnecessary attention here at this point. thanks for your comment JarrahTree 10:39, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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Something that is probably not a Disambiguation link notification[edit]

I havent worked out the stay away mitch flag yet, reverted - if you dont like it do it on the talk page if you wish, simply putting those little things create more edit conflicts etc - it is something that makes sense if you just stay away for a few more minutes - thanks JarrahTree 09:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Invokes mind-reading powers, in the absence of any link .... Assuming that you are referring to Department of Aboriginal Affairs (Western Australia), ...
"... create more edit conflicts etc - it is something that makes sense if you just stay away for a few more minutes..."
The "flag" you are looking for is probably {{In use}}. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done now all the bloody spacing is buggered for the dates, oh well you win some lose some JarrahTree 09:18, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

MOS:TABLES. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Corina[edit]

The Scott Ludlum speech says A very dark stain sits over the way Aboriginal heritage and culture has been treated during the approval of this project. Local Aboriginal consent to Roe 8 was never given for the project but has been deliberately misrepresented by Main Roads Western Australia. Worse, Premier Colin Barnett has embarked on a wholesale deregistration of significant archaeological and mythological sites not just in the Roe 8 impact area but right across WA. This includes three registered sites in the pathway of Roe 8 being deregistered by Western Australian Minister Peter Collier without consent and despite written, documented opposition by Aboriginal traditional custodians. in other word site were deliberately removed from the register to facilitate approval of the project. source was ref name=scott which you removed as being a source and also removed the state as not being in the source, please be careful when copyeditting you can change the meaning of content erroneously Gnangarra 13:29, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Ludlum says when the deregistration happened, and even "without consent and despite ... opposition", but he does not explicitly say why the sites were deregistered; he does not say that the deregistration was "to facilitate approval of Roe 8". (He even says "not just in the Roe 8 area ..." which suggests that the may have been deregistered for other reasons.) WP:SYN states explicitly (with my emphasis) "do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source".
This edit where I said the ref (Scott) did not support the statement, I was referring to the statement that "a coalition called Rethink the Link, ... was successful in having the environmental approvals overturned in the Supreme Court ..." – Ludlum's speech does not mention the group Rethink the Link by name. (Abraham's letter includes that phrase, but not the group by name.)
I'll defer any further discusson of these until the outcome of Talk:Corina Abraham#Proposal to trim Opposition to Roe 8
Mitch Ames (talk) 11:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

DAA category[edit]

Relevant edits for context: [5][6] Mitch Ames (talk) 11:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

The old names are there for the reason that the article list is in the article - when someone comes to the category - to have something linked to a department in its earlier form is easier to find on the category mainsopace, and being the literalists that some readers are, to have the guide of the 'aka's on the main space is much more user friendly than say 'go look at the article'. put it another way try memorising that set of name variants and dates. simple as that JarrahTree 14:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. Categories "... provide navigational links to all Wikipedia pages ... which readers, knowing essential—defining—characteristics of a topic, can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics." The category is not there to provide information about the topic (other than the existence of the article). The Categorization FAQ asks as to "avoid copying large quantities of text ... from an article to a category page".
""much more user friendly than say 'go look at the article'"
The categories exist to find articles – that the user is expected to "go look at". We even provide {{cat main}} specifically so that they can easily go and look at it.
If any of the "old names" are used in other articles, you could consider creating redirects for those names, and then include the redirects in the category, per WP:CATREDIRECT#Alternative names for articles.
Mitch Ames (talk) 11:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
OK there is more than one way to skin a pineapple, fair enough, fiddle playing while the earths tilt is changing , or from the old chairs on the deck, while ship goes down, whatever... if it goes, it goes, que sera etc, if it doesnt go, etc... a lot of redirects is probably an answer, perhaps from each earliervariant name JarrahTree 15:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
[7] Mitch Ames (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

WA's sister state[edit]

Hi, just dropping you a note to say I added two sources for the WA-Hyogo sister state relationship, confirming the 1981 and 1992 dates. I have also reworded the second sentence so that it is not directly contradictory and removed the tag. My guess is that they decided to open the centre in 1991 (the 10th anniversary) but it wasn't ready until 1992. But that is just a guess. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:39, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

greater minds[edit]

I am stumped at Rawlinna, Western Australia reference 3 or so and 8 show up as same on reading mode, you go in and read and in edit mode it shows 2 diff refs... I have no idea what is happening, I assume I have something very wrong. Please scheck and confirm that yes I am mad. thanks JarrahTree 08:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

It look fine to me, with identical refs http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article83488898 - maybe there's a caching issue in your browser?
I've merged the duplicate refs - see if that fixes the problem for you. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:01, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Nope - the 1931 derailment is different from the 1975 derailment, and when i was reading in edit mode I could see the 1975 derailment was reff'ed from the trove item for 1975... but now it is linked to 1931, so its not me after all... just the whole world iks mad then JarrahTree 09:53, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thanks for your eyes on the issue, have found the 2015 ref JarrahTree 11:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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JarrahTree 09:30, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

EGR[edit]

thats two different regions....

  • Northam to Southern Cross: 175 miles 14 chains (281.9 km) (opened 1 July 1894)
  • Southern Cross to Boorabbin: 60 miles 55 chains (97.7 km) (opened 1 July 1896)
  • Boorabbin to Kalgoorlie: 78 miles 14 chains (125.8 km) (opened 1 January 1897)

so why do https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AEastern_Goldfields_Railway&type=revision&diff=718257156&oldid=707912369  ? whats the problem for a spatial differential where a railway line travels through 2 regions... I'd not got your reasoning sir. JarrahTree 13:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

According to WP:SUBCAT:

When making one category a subcategory of another, ensure that the members of the subcategory really can be expected (with possibly a few exceptions) to belong to the parent also.

Coolgardie, Western Australia (for example) is in Category:Eastern Goldfields Railway; if Category:Eastern Goldfields Railway was a sub-category of Category:Wheatbelt (Western Australia), that would imply that Coolgardie was in the Wheatbelt - which I don't think it is.
I.e.: When making EGR a subcategory of Wheatbelt, ensure that the members of Cat:EGR really can be expected (with possibly a few exceptions) to belong to the Wheatbelt also.
Likewise Merredin, Western Australia is in Category:Eastern Goldfields Railway; if Category:Eastern Goldfields Railway was a sub-category of Category:Goldfields-Esperance, that would imply that Merredin was in the Goldfields-Esperance region - which (so far as I can tell) it is not.
I.e.: When making EGR a subcategory of Goldfields-Esperance, ensure that the members of Cat:EGR really can be expected (with possibly a few exceptions) to belong to the Goldfields-Esperance also.
I.e logical membership of Category:Eastern Goldfields Railway does not imply logical membership of either Category:Wheatbelt (Western Australia) or Category:Goldfields-Esperance (and membership of non-overlapping regions is impossible).
The Eastern Goldfields Railway article should possibly be in both Category:Wheatbelt (Western Australia) or Category:Goldfields-Esperance (it's currently in G-E but not Wheatbelt) because the railway itself passes through both regions - but each town along the railway (as listed in the EGR category contents) is not in both regions. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

ok thanks for that youre welcome to edit further to remove any doubts, if you so can do - the boundary point between wheatbelt and goldfields, tatata, is....in my opinion burracopin aka the rabbit proof fence number one location... but dont ake my word for it :) JarrahTree 10:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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challenge[edit]

Aldi has some information repeated up to 4x - as I was going through a competitors much more ample and adequate aisles I tried reading the article - are you up to copyediting a monstrosity? the queues yesterday were long... JarrahTree 07:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm trying to avoid taking on any more "work" at the moment (other than the ever-growing list of stuff that I'm at least vaguely interested in). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:00, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

consistency[edit]

huh/ whats that ? JarrahTree 01:10, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

unveiled versus opened[edit]

Take your pick sir, unveiled and arent we great has happened already, the sneak peak is 16th, the in service 17th JarrahTree 14:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. I might just wait until Sunday and then say "it opened on 17 July... "
Do any buses run from the new bus port to/from East Victoria Park? Someone could verify that it really was open :-) Mitch Ames (talk) 12:13, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
uhoh, when I first read this I thought that perhaps opened would be probably associated with the pollies and photo ops and the unvieled bit whereas commenced operating on the 17th, as to verification issues, the sneak preview on saturday afternoon allows for that perhaps...

but if you read http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/Service-Updates/Service-Update-Details/opening-of-perth-busport-and-changes-across-the-bus-network-23568 - then opened is probably the correct term to use on Sunday

as for buses near the meetup - then there are (as far as I can tell at this stage) no connections between new bus port and vic park - wrong side of tracks :) - JarrahTree 12:30, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Article updated. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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