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Tennis edits[edit]

Please note that these two categories have very different scopes, despite being subcategories. One is for winners of the adult tournament--Category:French Open champions, one is for winners of the juniors tournament. People can and should be categorised in both if they won both as juniors and adults. Courcelles (talk) 14:02, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Is the junior competition a subset of the adult competition, or a separate competition? A search for the word "junior" in French Open finds nothing, and I can't find an article French Open Junior (or variations thereof).
Either way, it looks like a change to Category:French Open junior champions is required (either remove it from, or declare it non-diffusing). Perhaps you can choose and make the appropriate change. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
They're separate competitions, but held at the same time. I'd make French Open Champions non-diffusing. Courcelles (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Presumably the junior competition is "owned" by the main competition (ie they're not completely independent) – https://www.rolandgarros.com/en-us/article/roland-garros-2018-junior-wild-card-competition-by-longines-brazil certainly suggests so. If it's worth a category for the junior winners, a subsection in French Open mentioning the juniors would probably be a good idea. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Mass category removal[edit]

Hi, just wondering why you removed Category:Seven Network shows from a number of articles recently. You're edit summary "Remove supercategory of existing diffusing category per WP:SUBCAT using AWB" doesn't really work for many articles you've removed them from, given there is no subcat related to the Seven Network that I can see (eg. Australian Survivor, The X Factor (Australian TV series), Australia's Got Talent, Class of 74, Sons and Daughters (Australian TV series)). Similarly, you've removed the category from Better Homes and Gardens (TV series), presumably because Category:7TWO shows is a subcat, but that doesn't work in the context, given first-run episodes of the show airs on 7Two in some states during football season, while remaining exclusively on the Seven Network in other states year round; both categories apply. May I suggest you review individual articles and restore the category to those now without -- Whats new?(talk) 01:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Australian Survivor is member of Category:Australian Survivor which is a member of Category:Seven Network shows. So the removal is legitimate on SUBCAT grounds – although admittedly WP:EPONYMOUS allows it to stay, so feel free to revert. Likewise The X Factor (Australian TV series) and Australia's Got Talent.
Class of 74 and Sons and Daughters (Australian TV series) are both in Category:Television series produced by The Reg Grundy Organisation, which is in Category:Seven Network shows.
For Better Homes and Gardens (TV series), Category:7TWO shows – perhaps Category:7TWO shows ought to be a {{Non-diffusing subcategory}} of Category:Seven Network shows, the "special characteristic of interest" being "first shown on 7TWO". Although I wonder whether the problem is actually that Category:7TWO shows is conflating two separate criteria: "produced for or by ... 7TWO" or "first shown on that network". Perhaps 7TWO needs to be split into two separate categories.
Mitch Ames (talk) 12:36, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, thanks for responding, I see some of your points. I don't really understand why The Reg Grundy Organisation is a subcat, given it produced shows for multiple networks and not all shows in that category you mention are Seven Network shows. I think that probably needs to be undone. I don't disagree on the confusion of 7TWO shows category, but either way, the program airs on the Seven Network in all states for the first thirty minutes, then shifts to 7TWO in two states during football season, so it belongs in both. -- Whats new?(talk) 07:08, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
...The Reg Grundy Organisation ... produced shows for multiple networks and not all shows in that category you mention are Seven Network shows. — Fixed. [1][2][3] Mitch Ames (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Political party categories[edit]

Please be more careful before making mass category changes on peculiar assumptions about categories that you think are "diffusing". In possibly the silliest example (in which you definitely should know better) you've removed the LDP, which has a Senator in NSW and a state MP in WA, from the Australian political parties category on the basis that it was in the Victorian one. You've removed a whole bunch of federally registered parties who run candidates in multiple states on a similar basis, which doesn't make any sense. This is not the first time you've made very silly edits by noticing that an article is listed in both a parent and child category and deciding to shoot the former at random. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

It is in the national category because it is a national party, as is pretty obvious. If your understanding of the subjects you're making category changes to is this basic, you should not be making these kinds of edits. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add the {{non-diffusing}} tag to the relevant categories (which are otherwise diffusing by default) where it is missing, so that it is obvious. (see also: User_talk:The_Drover's_Wife#Reason_Party_(Australia)_categorisation Mitch Ames (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
No, you should think before you edit: these were patently nonsensical edits on something where all you had to do was skim the articles before recategorising them (and in an area where you often edit, no less!). National parties obviously belong in the national category - whether national parties should be also categorised where they have state parties is a question we've never resolved. The appropriate thing to do in that situation, if you're interested, would be to start a discussion about the state categories. The idea that "if an article is in a parent and a child category, I can whack the parent in each and every situation without thinking" is just plain wrong and leads to idiotic edits. The Drover's Wife (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#Categorisation of political parties in Australia ... Mitch Ames (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

New editors[edit]

Hi Mitch, recent discussions have centred around how to work with new editors one the key points is not to get bogged down in distractions over maintenance/gnome task but to keep them focused on the big picture articles content while they get acclimatised to the community. With the road stuff you have jumped in way too early on cats and refs as the pages were a demonstration of how & what with a GLAM the issue you are raising is exactly what they were worried about so you have successfully confirmed their worst nightmares about working with wikipedia. A single message to me rather than all the messages on different talk pages and pinging new editors would have got the same outcome, be bold it doesnt matter at the moment and once more info is created you'll see what you are suggesting right now wont be right either. Gnangarra 13:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

"... new editors ..." — The edit history of Melbourne Street, Perth (at least until now) shows no new editors. The history of List of streets in Perth shows that the article was created and edited by an experienced editor, at least up to the point that includes the mentions of Perth and Northbridge, and the City of Perth and CBD categories. I try to make allowances for new editors - but that does require knowing that there is a new editor.
"With the road stuff you have jumped in way too early on cats and refs" — If the articles are ready for article-space, then they are ready for discussion and improvement. If they were not ready for article-space then perhaps they should have been in draft-space, or at least tagged with {{Under construction}} to give some hint to other editors that they shouldn't "jump in" and discuss changes to the article.
"... their worst nightmares about working with wikipedia" — Such hyperbole does not help matters. I politely pointed out issues and asked reasonable questions about the articles on the talk pages. That's what the talk pages are for. Perhaps you should point to those talk pages as examples of how Wikipedia editors can civilly discuss ways to improve articles.
"all the messages on different talk pages" — The points were raised on the articles' talk pages. That's the purpose of an article's talk page. The post on WT:WA#Perth streets was to catch WA editors (who have local knowledge of the topics) who might not have been watching the individual pages. {{U}} is a legitimate way of notifying a user.
Mitch Ames (talk) 12:56, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
The "experience" editor was me, one question on one talk page would have resolved the whole issue. No its not hyperbole, it simple observation and experience word sleuthing and pinging new editors is biting and it scares editors away, you could see that the work had a new editor. As you know I expend considerable effort to bring new people to the projects, as for most of what you ask its meaningless as you have the experience to be bold with maintenance issues without messages spread across multiple pages asking the same question. Gnangarra 13:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Read it carefully[edit]

MOS and first sentence does not say remove - it specifically explains redundancy - it does not say no lead sentence at all - reverting does not help

The point being even if a lead sentence is redundant - what I read in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#First_sentence it does not say to have no lead sentence at all - not the way I read it JarrahTree 13:16, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

I await your "clearer and more informative introduction to the list [that] is better than verbatim repetition of the title". Mitch Ames (talk) 13:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
why cannot you if youre editing it :) ?? JarrahTree 13:20, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I already fixed it once.... Mitch Ames (talk) 13:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, feel free to re-apply my other perfectly valid edit (MOS:CAPS) which you accidentally reverted without explanation. (Perhaps you need to check the changes, and/or for edit conflicts when you edit.) Mitch Ames (talk) 13:23, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea how that happened - sorry... JarrahTree 13:35, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Edit conflict templates look like malagasy texts transposed to japanese to me :( - as if I could explain them easily JarrahTree 13:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
oh well - its all fun and games JarrahTree 13:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
whats your opinion of the lead sentences now then? 13:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
(List of streets in Kings Park and West Perth) - Hay, Murray, Wellington Sts, Mounts Bay Rd suggest that the streets of West Perth are not separate from the CBD.
Is there some reason why the article combines Kings Park and West Perth? If there was, that reason might be used to create a meaningful sentence. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Because theres like 6 streets in Kings park, historically in 1800 before Kings park was declared it was part of west perth then it became a separate identity in its own right until Barney reincorporated it into the City of Perth a couple of years ago, though it still Kings Park. Gnangarra 15:20, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Something like "Kings Park was part of the suburb of West Perth until [year] when it became a separate suburb" would work - do we have a reference? Mitch Ames (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
hail to the difficulties of negotiating the Andes with either spade or frog. Monty Python here I go. Lookng forwrd to meeting up in real life, we might be able to negotiate better there. JarrahTree 14:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Conversion of Units[edit]

Hiya,

As per your recent copy edit on Point Walter, I was wondering what the guidelines are around inserting a convert template in regards to units of measurements, ie; when should they be avoided, when are they most appropriate, anything about having them in leads etc.

Cheers, JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 12:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

The only specific guideline I can find is MOS:CONVERSIONS (and the shorter version WP:MOS#Units of measurement), which says "Where English-speaking countries use different units for the same quantity, provide a conversion in parentheses ... Generally, conversions to and from metric units and US or imperial units should be provided ..."
I've added the conversions to the lead section now. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

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Your eagle eye[edit]

Please on South_Australian_Chamber_of_Mines_and_Energy there seems little understanding of what wikipedia is - Ia msure you are better than I to clear the deck... so to speak, thanks JarrahTree 04:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC) nah its a mess

thanks[edit]

your help at the lists of streets appears to be of good assistance from where I look at it - thank you JarrahTree 12:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Shortcut to Wikipedia talk:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia[edit]

something doesnt exist - why not create rather than delete ? JarrahTree 06:48, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Assuming (in the absence of any link or other hint ...) that we're talking about this ...
Because that shortcut does not comply with WP:SCNAMES and "Shortcuts that do not follow the ... naming convention are discouraged, and are typically deleted." Mitch Ames (talk) 06:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

hohum - i am sure there are rules that you can always dig up. JarrahTree 07:01, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
but, do you have suggestions to improve? It would be interesting to know your solution to the problem JarrahTree 07:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
(Pinging Gnangarra, who apparently created the header.)
I don't think a shortcut is needed at all, which is why I deleted the redlink rather that create one. Note also that the shortcut points to (only) the project page, not the talk page. if you must have one on the talk page as well, it should be be WT:...
If we must have a short cut, a better one would be WP:WT/T - for Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia - which is more inline with WP:SCNAMES
Note that "M" (presumably for Toodyay Museum) is not included because Museum is not part of the page name. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
It is very useful to have short cuts and it is expected for any of the outreach programmes that we have and are developing we will have short cuts. JarrahTree 09:39, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
If you find a short cut, please do not play with them or reconfigure or rename - you are quoting a guideline that has a very dangerous discussion topic as part of its clarification - it requires commonsense. Commonsense was applied with the lettering for Museum of Perth project, because otherwise it went to the wrong place. JarrahTree 09:43, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
  • It was red because I hadnt decided on what format as WP:WTTC already existed so WP:WTTM or WP:WTST neither felt logical enough, also wasnt sure a short cut was needed yet either Gnangarra 09:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


tireless gnome updater[edit]

not sure whether there are barnstars or bones for such, but your updating sro connection in articles is tireless and thankless. Thanks JarrahTree 09:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Well it is Western Australia Day - I have to do my bit for the state! Mitch Ames (talk) 09:57, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I am sure your patriotism is purely motivated and will eventually be rewarded JarrahTree 10:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

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WP:SUBCAT, again[edit]

The problem is not WP:SUBCAT. This is about your constant misapplication of it to absurd ends. There is nothing in WP:SUBCAT that supports the idea that, if an article is in a parent and child category, the default solution is automatically to delete the parent. This is because it frequently leads to absurd results. The problem is not that you are necessarily removing an article, the problem is that you continually mass-remove parents without thinking - a stance without basis in policy, guideline or common sense.

If you find an article in a parent and child category, you have found what WP:SUBCAT correctly flags as an issue. Sometimes, the answer to that may be indeed that the parent category should be removed. Frequently, however, it is not that simple - and requires a discussion. It may be that a category needs to be labelled as non-diffusing. It may be that the child category needs to be removed. It may be that you've found a flaw in a category structure that requires a broader rework. It may be that some other problem has occurred. The only reasonable answer in those situations - not to mention civil and polite answer - is to raise them for discussion.

There was absolutely no need to check every article in Perth, nor would it be reasonable to think there was a need. There was, however, an obvious need to take a one-minute look at Category:Suburbs of Perth, Western Australia before moving - which would have made the issue with your edits obvious.

If you refuse to discuss these changes first - you leave no alternative but to mass-revert them every time when they lead to absurd consequences, because that seems to be the only way to get you to discuss the issues you find. Please, for the love of god, discuss first in future. The Drover's Wife (talk) 14:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

can have what you are on/have please too?[edit]

(remove necessary italics) - is a classic
bit like the sign we had here in Belmont some years back
'this gate must be open or shut at all times' - have a very safe weekend, and dont try turning left when you are turning right. JarrahTree 11:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
At least you could use a gate that was either shut or open. I used to work in an office where all the doors had signs "This door must be kept closed at all times", and the office manager did not understand why that was a problem. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Have you any idea what it is like to be trolled by you? almost every article I have been in you are re-arranging, - even out of main space - do you have any idea how you actually scare the living daylights out of people who cannot cope with that - at all? JarrahTree 12:38, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Was there a specific edit that you disagreed with? If so, feel free to raise the matter on the relevant talk page, with a link to the diff.
I think "re-arranging" is an exaggeration - but again, links to specific edits would be helpful.
"scare the living daylights out of people" — Be sure to point your new editors to WP:BOLD. Let me quote some relevant bits from it:

... everybody helps to fix problems, correct grammar, ... make sure wording is accurate, etc. ... others here will edit what you write. Do not take it personally! ...

If you notice an unambiguous error or problem ... fix it...

Mitch Ames (talk) 13:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I know you in real life and can cope, but really to create any article to do with western australia means you are in there changing it, even when it is not in open space... - it amounts to trolling, and people do get topic bans for such insistent following... In good faith, please, try to get an imagination and not follow every edit I do in western Australian space, I mean I look forward to your pedantry and nit picking in some areas, but it effectively means you are there playing around in your sense of fixing - just a break every now and then would be appreciated... JarrahTree 13:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
any article to do with western australia means you are in there changing it — That's demonstrably not true. I just did a quick check of your recent edit history, and I can see at least three WA pages that you've edited today, and that I have not edited at all (yet). All three have at least one obvious MOS non-compliance (WP:SUBCAT, MOS:DOUBLE, MOS:REFPUNCT, MOS:CAPS) - and you're saying I should not fix these, not make "make Wikipedia easier and more intuitive for users"? Also WP:AWB reports that there are 18,419 articles currently under Category:Western Australia, but I have only 4,175 pages currently on my watchlist. By my reckoning that leaves over 14,000 WA articles (3/4 of them) that you could edit without my noticing! Clearly I need to up my game. Face-smile.svg Mitch Ames (talk) 14:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I am sure it will all work out - but it can be unnerving at times when how trivial some of the fixes are... JarrahTree 14:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
I really think your talents are wasted on full stops and spaces in the australian project - the whole of wiki has big holes and you sit in your rabbit hole of caps and rules and regs from inside the vogon poetry manual that died with the late douglas adams - really there are vast over-cat territories out there in the larger range of wikipedia where you could strike terror in the hearts of foolish over cat idiots and you simply stare down the rabbit hole of wet/cold australia. and as for truth, that has long lost its epistemological validity in public discourse in the western world, a vague and long lost notion of ethical expression or notion of exactness has got thrown out with phrases and words like reform and tax cuts

- i would suggest that your talent for seeking the exactitude of your seeking compliance misses the fields of daisies of the vast hoards of over-cat out there in the larger sphere. and the areas for work needed in commons and wikidata are vast - wasted talent...JarrahTree 14:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:Roman Catholic Bishops of Darwin has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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very late notice[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/50 - apologies for late notice - hope you are able to make it!! JarrahTree 04:32, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

copy edit[edit]

Thanks again for the proofread, always welcome. I was worrying all day about the first sentence of paragraph three. Can you untangle the comparison given in the source, a drier and less diverse (fewer species) community than other marri communities in the same region/soil type? I'm scouring for other sources, they may provide some clarity where I could not, so don't trouble yourself with my concerns if there is something more enjoyable to do. Cheers, and happy editing … cygnis insignis 14:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

A link to the specific article would be helpful. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Al Ahly (volleyball)[edit]

why you remove bold codes from Al Ahly (Volleyball) page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehab refaat fawzy (talkcontribs) 17:06, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Because MOS:BOLD says that we don't use bold formatting except in some specific cases, not of which applied in this case. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

you are misdirected[edit]

there is so much of wikipedia that you could wreak complete and utter havoc (probably positiveley), and you choose my edits. sigh

why not consider the lillies - how they grow - following individuals edits is such a waste of time - you have a whole world out there you could consider JarrahTree 09:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

accidentally removed during edit conflict:

As always, you are welcome to provide a link to the diff for any of my edits, and exactly why you think that edit is incorrect. Mitch Ames (talk) 5:39 pm, Today (UTC+8)

In actual fact the hobart newspaper edits were correct in form !... I just get dissappointed when I see vast areas of wikipedia needing the subcat and other issues wasted on small town edits when there are vast areas of every rule in wikkpedia being broken by non english speakers in areas of vast categories of mush and perfect definitions of what wP:NOT and similar guidelines seem to be ignored JarrahTree 09:54, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

If you dont understand the immensity of the issue there are backlogs in lots of area for the concerns you have but no one flags them generally - there are many things outside of this editors propensities... (me). The items that I put on my user page about the biota project - there are narky things to correct - for close to 14,000 articles or categories... just for one small issue...

Dont take me the wrong way on this - the hobart points were good ones, you have access to awb because of the dark side (no one has invented the mac or web based version yet) - there are so many areas that desperately need the energy seriousness and enthusiasm that you have JarrahTree 10:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

no one has invented the mac or web based version yet
No, but if you're keen, see Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser#Running on Linux or Mac. I don't know about Parallels Desktop or Wine, but I am familiar with VirtualBox (running on Windows), so could offer technical support if you wanted to give it a try. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:39, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
nah - the mix of dave's assessment thingo rater and the relative speeds from provider at the moment are fine withoutpolluting my mac with dark side infestations, thanks anyways JarrahTree 12:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

bah[edit]

setcat all very well but what if it happens to be tied into the name of legislation or policies that correlate to the subject? bah JarrahTree 02:28, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Relevant edit, for the benefit of those without mind-reading powers, or those who might forget later what we were talking about.
Then someone would add the article about that legislation or policy to the category, and it would no longer be a set category, and we would revert the rename. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Swan River mahogany[edit]

Hi Mitch,

Not sure your changes to Eucalyptus marginata and the redirect from "Swan River mahogany" are a good idea for the following reasons:

  • There appears to be no reference for the claim that "Swan River mahogany" was ever used for Eucalyptus marginata";
  • It makes that common name look more significant than the Noongar names in the following sentence.

Having said that, there is no reference for the name "jarrah", nor an active link to the other Noongar names. Perhaps the whole paragraph needs to be rewritten, leaving out all the unreferenced material.

Your opinion? Gderrin (talk) 21:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I used a source just the other day that referred to Swan River Mahogany Cromb, Alison (2010). The History of the Toodyay Convict Depot: A Tale of the Convict Era of Western Australia. Dianella, Western Australia. ISBN 9780646529639. As an interesting side piece each of those noongar names are pronounced very similarly to Jarra the difference being that some dialects pronounce a longer first vowel dj while other dialect cut off or tapper the last vowel, the third one 'ch' is from around the New Norcia area specifically Dom Salvado whos Spanish then Latin learnings actually require the sounds to be translated first in italian then again in spanish yet again this produces the more traditional Noongar sounds when written in english of djarra. George Fletcher Moore refered to djarryl as being Mahogany E.robusta (a species not found in WA). Jarril is from Hassel 1894/Coyne 1880, jarrial - mahogany, stokes 1846 these are all covered in Bindon & Chadwick - Nyoongar WordList(2011) publish WA Museum ISBN 9781920843595, which collated word lists are they were written. In the early 1990's an attempt was made to standardise Noongar so it could be taught in schools, various communities came together to agree spellings from that another group Yelakitj Yorgas put together a publication for the Catholic Education Office in WA called Yelakitj Koondarm Nyungar Language project as a teaching aid for Catholic schools(no ISBN) in it Jarrah is djarraly, the important part is in the Orthography to quote There will always be discussion as to the proper spelling and pronunciation of words in the Nyungar language. All are correct depending on different dialects, family and cultural traditions that have been on by previous language holders Gnangarra 12:07, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that @Gnangarra: I'll add the refs. to the E. marginata page. (Still don't think "Swan River mahogany" should be bold while the Nyungar/ names are not.) Gderrin (talk) 12:29, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


A quick Google search for "Swan River mahogany" finds several references. Some of the more reliable are:
I don't have time to add those references to Eucalyptus marginata today, but I'll do it at some point (if nobody else does it first).
The bold formatting is standard practice for redirect targets, per MOS:BOLD#OTHER; it does not indicate relative significance of the term. However if it bothers you, one solution would be to re-order the paragraph to mention the Noongar names before mahogany. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:26, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Give SRM is used in historical sources it maybe that it should be in the lead as bold name then lower down not bolded the same as the Nyungar spellings making it more consitent. Gnangarra 13:08, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. This is much better. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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