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*Ok, you have my attention. This is a novel situation. I wasn't aware of the limitation, but it does exist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Event_coordinator_proposal]. I'm not sure the damage of extending it past the 10 days, however, as once 10 days have past and they have done virtually any editing, they are confirmed anyway. Not downplaying, I'm just trying to assess the "damage" by the action. Regardless, they should have responded to your talk page request for explanation [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kaizenify&diff=prev&oldid=1179847912], and their contribs do show they were online and editing just a few days afterwards. That is part of the responsibility of having any advanced tool: accountability. I would note, you didn't ask a question, you just gave him notice, so a reply wasn't ''required'', but we have to assume he knew about the notice, or should have known. So the first time would have been ok as an error (although he still should have know about the limitation in order to get the tools...), but to continue doing it after he was notified is a problem. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2&cent;</b>]] 11:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
*Ok, you have my attention. This is a novel situation. I wasn't aware of the limitation, but it does exist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Event_coordinator_proposal]. I'm not sure the damage of extending it past the 10 days, however, as once 10 days have past and they have done virtually any editing, they are confirmed anyway. Not downplaying, I'm just trying to assess the "damage" by the action. Regardless, they should have responded to your talk page request for explanation [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kaizenify&diff=prev&oldid=1179847912], and their contribs do show they were online and editing just a few days afterwards. That is part of the responsibility of having any advanced tool: accountability. I would note, you didn't ask a question, you just gave him notice, so a reply wasn't ''required'', but we have to assume he knew about the notice, or should have known. So the first time would have been ok as an error (although he still should have know about the limitation in order to get the tools...), but to continue doing it after he was notified is a problem. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2&cent;</b>]] 11:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
*Yeah. If there's any trouble here, I think it would be unfair to pin it on the edit-a-thon participants who didn't know what they were being granted, but on the grantor who certainly should have known better. In fact, they either don't understand the parameters or have chosen to ignore them. Best remove the permission, since this has been going on for so long and after being advised. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 11:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
*Yeah. If there's any trouble here, I think it would be unfair to pin it on the edit-a-thon participants who didn't know what they were being granted, but on the grantor who certainly should have known better. In fact, they either don't understand the parameters or have chosen to ignore them. Best remove the permission, since this has been going on for so long and after being advised. [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">——Serial Number 54129</span>]] 11:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
*ohh, I apologize for any inconvenience caused, as it was unintentional. I am the Programs and Project Coordinator for [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_User_Group_Nigeria Wikimedia Nigeria] and in this role, I plan and coordinate several Wikipedia-inclined projects and edit-a-thons, especially focusing on newbies, which include [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiBoost WikiBoost], [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Queerpedia%20Project Queerpedia], [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_in_School_Nigeria_Program_2023 Wiki in School], and many more hence the heavy use of the Event Coordinator tool. Per going beyond the 10-day limit i totally misunderstand this and will revert to doing it the right way as i mostly confirm users for the duration of the edit-a-thon, which usually lasts for one month and sometimes exceeds that because some users may not start editing immediately. I apologize for misusing the tool per the [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Event coordinator proposal|RFC verdict]] and will ensure that I don't exceed the 10-day mark going forward. Thank you. [[User:Kaizenify|Kaizenify]] ([[User talk:Kaizenify|talk]]) 20:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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Event coordinator confirmed status grants

Action: Confirmed status granting, seen here.
User: Kaizenify (talk · contribs · logs) (prior discussion)

I first noticed Kaizenify granting confirmed status past the maximum established for event coordinators when they granted CiteMe997 confirmed status for six months, and looked further and found multiple instances of granting for a full month, in excess of the 10 day limit established by RFC. I notified them about the limit and linked to the event coordinator policy, and they did not respond. A few months later, I have found that this has occurred again. While the user began granting only for 10 day durations for a short time after the message I left on their talk page, they returned to granting for a full month a few months after this. In total, they have granted confirmed permissions outside of the community-approved duration over 50 times in a one-year span based on a rough count of the log of their user rights changes listed above. EggRoll97 (talk) 05:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ok, you have my attention. This is a novel situation. I wasn't aware of the limitation, but it does exist [1]. I'm not sure the damage of extending it past the 10 days, however, as once 10 days have past and they have done virtually any editing, they are confirmed anyway. Not downplaying, I'm just trying to assess the "damage" by the action. Regardless, they should have responded to your talk page request for explanation [2], and their contribs do show they were online and editing just a few days afterwards. That is part of the responsibility of having any advanced tool: accountability. I would note, you didn't ask a question, you just gave him notice, so a reply wasn't required, but we have to assume he knew about the notice, or should have known. So the first time would have been ok as an error (although he still should have know about the limitation in order to get the tools...), but to continue doing it after he was notified is a problem. Dennis Brown - 11:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah. If there's any trouble here, I think it would be unfair to pin it on the edit-a-thon participants who didn't know what they were being granted, but on the grantor who certainly should have known better. In fact, they either don't understand the parameters or have chosen to ignore them. Best remove the permission, since this has been going on for so long and after being advised. ——Serial Number 54129 11:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ohh, I apologize for any inconvenience caused, as it was unintentional. I am the Programs and Project Coordinator for Wikimedia Nigeria and in this role, I plan and coordinate several Wikipedia-inclined projects and edit-a-thons, especially focusing on newbies, which include WikiBoost, Queerpedia, Wiki in School, and many more hence the heavy use of the Event Coordinator tool. Per going beyond the 10-day limit i totally misunderstand this and will revert to doing it the right way as i mostly confirm users for the duration of the edit-a-thon, which usually lasts for one month and sometimes exceeds that because some users may not start editing immediately. I apologize for misusing the tool per the RFC verdict and will ensure that I don't exceed the 10-day mark going forward. Thank you. Kaizenify (talk) 20:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]