User talk:Chevin/Archive 1

Crewe

Hi, I reverted the edits you made to the Crewe page. With regards to the Limelight reference on the page, I am the owner of the Club and so surely I can choose which acts to name. With regards to the 'Chavviest Town' section within the trivia, this was a moment of some regard within Crewe at the time and I feel that since residents of Crewe will have heard of the story, they would wish to have a link to the article. - Shaft121 10:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

No worries about that mate. Glad somebody is keeping an eye out for vandalism. Unfortunately, that particular story is true! :) - Shaft121 22:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Milford Tunnel

Hi - thanks for the note on Milford Tunnel. As a bit of background, I'm Derby born and bred and my aunt used to have a house in Milford, on the main drag (aka A6) where you could see the main line (crossing the Derwent near the gasworks) and the tower on the Chevin on top of the tunnel. My cousin lives up the Hazelwood Road in Duffield...

BUT

I'm doing all this 100 miles away, usually from memory, so I can easily screw it up! Feel free to totally rejig the tunnel bit in the Duffield article - I only stuck it in to provide a link. I think Milford Tunnel deserves to keep an entry, because though it's fairly short compared with say Woodhead, it's an early and important part of the Stephensons'/Midland Railway's drive North (or is that just a bit of misplaced local pride) Bob aka Linuxlad 3 July 2005 14:37 (UTC)

Thanks for the tunnel length - I'd measured it on the multimap 1:25,000 at 860! but didn't want to risk the value. The tower top of the golf-course was for surveying the line as a whole, I think my aunt said. And why is the only place I've seen (or heard) it called Firestone Hill in the 1928 edition of 'A Citizen's Derby' Bob

860 metres - agreed. -- RHaworth 2005 July 6 14:43 (UTC)

Derby Midland Station

Er there's only been the one footbridge in my memory...

Later, looking at it today I can see it's probably a new structure (I think the original structure had its decking changed some 10 plus years ago???)

The scaffolding now up on each platform, supporting the roof, presumably is because the 1952 structure has got 'concrete cancer' ??? Bob aka Linuxlad

Re: Sheffield Wicker Station

Hi! Please feel free to edit this article as you see fit. ½ JeremyA 9 July 2005 13:52 (UTC)

Duffield Castle

I've redirected Duffield Castle, which I'd made as a redirect to Duffield, to your new Duffield Castle, Derbyshire. It's worth checking 'what links here' in toolbox when breaking out a new article from an existing one. Bob aka Linuxlad

Derby Works

Per your comment on my talk page: I moved Derby Works to Derby Railway Works (so Derby Works is now a redirect). RJFJR 23:06, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Weren't there several different railway works at Derby? Aside from the loco works there was also Litchurch Lane, where the APT-P, among other things, was built. Our Phellap 00:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

APT

Hi,

Thanks for your comments; my introductory paragraph was only ever intended to be a "postcard" summary, with the "meat" in the main subsections below. However, I've reworked it somewhat loosely in accordance with your suggestion.

My main source of technical data was Williams, who left BR in 1978 after the rundown of the APT project. Williams talks a lot about union obstruction, but perhaps that rightly does not appear in this article, which has more of a technical flavour. Perhaps I am missreading him, but I gained an impression of continuity. He talks about a new APT-U being developed, renaming of the project to InterCity 225, Brush Traction developing the Class 89. The IC-225 then became the Class 91. The Wikipedia APT article does not seem to read as continuity after APT-P. In summary, its more like APT-P is dead, but the technology lives on elsewhere. I'm not sure where the "truth" lies. Pyrotec 08:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with most of your comments, especially the APT politics. Many of the APT team were aerospace engineers, which came out in both the book and the OU TV programme of the 1970s. If you are not happy with my latest APT edit, change it.

Williams, according to his book was APT-E Train Supervisor. Before that he worked for Rolls Royce and after that he worked for Fords, Truck Division. He must be 60 now. A good read, I bought it new in 1987.Pyrotec 17:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Baldwin Locomotive Works

Burnham, Williams & Co. was one of the corporate identities of the Baldwin works after Baldwin's death and before its incorporation as the Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1909. It seems that before 1900 it was common for a company's official name to be that of the current partners owning the business, in a similar way to current businesses that exist as partnerships, e.g. law firms in the US; thus, the company's name changed every time the owning partnership changed. They did business under the trade name of Baldwin, of course, and that's what they were generally known as.

I verified this at http://americanhistory.si.edu/archives/d8353.htm, which is by the Smithsonian Institution. We should probably work some of this information into the current BLW article. —Morven 15:31, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

How to move a page

Wikipedia:How_ to_rename_(move)_a_page. AFAIK, Derby works is only used to refer to the Rly works [1]. Dunc|☺ 15:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Everything is kept, nothing is deleted. Click on the history tab at the top of the page. Derby Works is the page - this can be moved around, but don't break a redirect into an article and then redirect the other article to that because it screws up the edit histories and no-one knows what is going on. Dunc|☺ 15:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

More pics

As you might have guessed I did not make a five hundred mile round trip just to photograph a footpath sign. I did it for some Gilbert and Sullivan in Buxton. The footpath sign was a result of an abortive attempt to photograph the south portal of the Milford Tunnel - I did not think the golfers would take kindly to my walking across their fairways and I am not sure how else to get to it.

But I have got some pics of the north portal and of the Toadmoor Tunnel. Now I can't decide which to upload - please have a look at http://www.rhaworth.me.uk/4val/058-/amberv05.htm . Do you prefer them with or without trains? I hope you've got broadband - even the thumbs page comes to 1 megabyte. Each pic has a 6 digit id, eg. 058138.jpg - just quote that.

There is another megabyte at http://www.rhaworth.me.uk/4val/058-/buxton05.htm with some wiki-worthy pics. Do you know what Chatter is? I doubt if it is mobile phone air time - I suppose I could call the number and ask. -- RHaworth 17:56:56, 2005-08-23 (UTC)

I've uploaded three of your pictures to Commons (My brain hurts now!) I have compressed them a bit so they load faster. I hope you don't mind. On the stats for my own site, there are still many users with old browsers worldwide. You can bet they're also using dial-up. Chevin 06:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Everything in one article

No complaints about the Wolverton article, easy to rectify. There is a view (which I don't share), maybe even a policy that everything about a place should be in one article: see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places) for a flavour (take a packed lunch!). My view is that Wiki is a hypertext encyclopedia, so doesn't need to abide by the constraints of its paper counterpart. Indeed, I cite Wolverton Railway Works as a case in point - one may approach it from a geographical thread, a railways thread, an historical (Industrial Revolution) thread or even a "women at work" thread (from the link I added). --Concrete Cowboy 09:07, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Wolverton bend

Not at all, go ahead - it is certainly accurate. Indeed you may go ahead whether I mind or not! --Concrete Cowboy 13:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Via Gellia

How's your knowledge of the Wirksworth/Cromford area? I added a bit on Via Gellia to the article on Sir John Gell, and pointers in from Wirksworth and Cromford. But I find that appear to be two stories when it was built - 1722 or 1790 (see note on Talk page)...

May need some local knowledge :-) Linuxlad 20:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks - that's more or less where I was at (the Wirksworh Parish site looked the best researched). I've now found out that since I started querying (see John Gell Talk) but a few hours before I started adding to the main John Gell article, someone started a Via Gellia stub. So I guess we should add what we can there. More anon Linuxlad 16:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Cologne

Hi Chevin,

In answer to your question I can tell you the following:

the bridge close to Cologne Cathedral is called Hohenzollernbrücke and it is indeed the same bridge that has been there since 1911 - well, almost the same: 90% of Cologne's city centre got bombed by infamous Mr. Harris and completely destroyed in the last two weeks of WWII - what a waste - just have a look at the beautiful pictures of the past: [2]. To me it's one of the most beautiful train bridges around. Some excellent pictures of how it looks today can be found at [3].

The bridge still is one of the most important train bridges in Western Europe, due to the strategic position of Cologne in the rail system of the continent. In Cologne the North-South connection between the Alps and the North-Sea and the West-East connection between Paris and Berlin meet. Thus, Cologne is a very busy place, especially during the Christmas season (lots of French, Belgian, Dutch and English people come there to shop).

I am not really sure if the connection to Antwerp still is the same that was built in the 19th century (I would hope they replace the sleepers once in a wile). Anyway, today the regular train schedule gets you to Brussels Midi first. Then you can get on one of the trains between Paris and Amsterdam (another important North-South connection serviced by Thalys) to get to Antwerp Berchem. I think that this is the fastest connection at this moment.

Hope I could help.

Cheers mr-t 18:20, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Dates

Hi,

I wondered if you were aware of the background to date links. The reason why Wikipedia articles have so many links to date articles is not because of a peculiar enthusiasm in readers for looking up date articles, it is because of a software hack to support date preferences. It should not really be called a 'link' at all. For example, Americans like to see April 12, 1981 and Brits like to see 12 April 1981. If square brackets are added, the Wikipedia software amends the format so that the sequence matches that chosen by the reader in the preference settings. The actual 'link' is merely a secondary effect.

Some date elements are not subject to reader preference (e.g. a year on its own 2001, a month on its own December, a month with a year November 1996). The Wikipedia software does not amend the format of these dates.

It is explained (not very well) at:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Date_formatting
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28links%29#Internal_links

This issue is widely misunderstood and some people think that *all* date elements must be linked *each time* the occur. If that is what people want, it is fine. But some people are not aware of the background. The issue is discussed from time to time. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Dates_linking_convention_currently_ludicrous

I noticed your recent contribution to linking dates and I thought that you might be interested. Keep up the good work. Regards Bobblewik 15:41, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

North Midland Railway & the Stephensons

I had always understood that both the Stephensons were involved in surveying the route for the North Midland, and have indeed put a speculative ref in that article. But checking around for confirmation, I can't find any. Any info you know of? Linuxlad 11:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

OK, revert if you're fairly sure (perhaps leave a note on the NMR talk page) - But I had it in my mind it was RSs decision to take the line at an elevation only 6 or so foot above recorded flood plain. Bob

OK I'll look out for more on this:-) And now

Cowburn Tunnel

Not clear what there was to flood to 30m... was it the airshaft perhaps?

And the rising line - was it to avoid going into the unstable shale? (I dimly recollect this was a problem at Woodhead?) Bob aka Linuxlad 18:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Disused Tunnels

Should we list them? Well, I've just added the Sapperton Tunnels (back of Stroud. The canal tunnel, which is disused, already had an entry; but the railway tunnel didn't - even thought there was an existing article called Golden Valley Line, which yet made no mention of it.

And of course Woodhead is the disused tunnel(s) par excellence!

If it's fairly minor I sometimes bundle in with something else with a redirect into that article. If someone else thinks it's significant, they can pull out the heading and expand. (I've done that with Thorpe Cloud, which seems a great injustice for a nice little peak!) Bob aka Linuxlad

CHPR

As I've noted on the CHPR talk page, we appear to have articles claiming both Josiah Jessop and William Moorsom as the engineers to the line (my recollection was of the former, and of course there is a bridge plaque to that effect). What then was Moorsom's role? (suggest reply on CHPR page) Bob aka Linuxlad 09:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

River Hamps

How are you on reservoirs? I've just put in an entry about the River Hamps and added a note that a reservoir at Winkhill was contemplated before Carsington Water was finally built. This would be circa mid 70s I guess. I think Severn Trent also mooted one at Brund. (See article talk page). Any of this ring any bells? Bob aka Linuxlad 16:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Mairibot and UK-depot-stub

Ok, I think it's now fixed such that no articles should still have UK-depot-stub on them. If I'm wrong, let me know... --Mairi 18:22, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Firestone Hill

Hope you didn't mind the 'dual-use'. I think the hill used to be on Strutt School X-ctry course? (So my cousin and his son tell me) - better than ours in Derby, which was just up to the Burton Road! Any thoughts on Carsington Reservoir and its alternatives - it rumbled on for several years when I was in Derby RA. Bob aka Linuxlad

Gee, that takes me back. Yes it was the 'senior' course, a good way of getting out of football. You could saunter round it in a period. It went a short way along the roman road, near to Firestone but not actually up to it. Burton Road - I take it you mean Bemrose. It had a good rep then. I hadn't forgotten your query about Carsington. I'm sure I saw something recently somewhere and have been trying to bring it to mind. Chevin 06:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Manchester Central Station

I notice that you experimented with altering the redirect to point to your (excellent) expanded history section of the G-Mex article, then reverted it. As the originator of the redirect, I support your last position - I think the basic correlation of the two entities as being one and the same building needs to be established before going into further detail. Thank you for the valuable contribution you've made. Guy Hatton 00:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks Chevin 09:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

George Carr Glyn, 1st Baron Wolverton

Saw it in Random article's. I single spaced it in preview and felt it improved readability. The second section is two sentences only and it seemed unbalanced. Saw it in Random article's. You can revert if you feel it should be single spaced. This is a wiki after all. Good article by the way.--Dakota ~ ε 16:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your comment. Keep up the good work.--Dakota ~ ε 21:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Bredbury

Hello

Many thanks for the additions to my piece on Bredbury, and for correcting the typing errors! Nice to know someone has read it!

Skinsmoke 01:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Chevin

Many thanks for your continuing interest and advice. I had already sussed (eventually) how to use the preview page, but the problem is that my proof reading is not as good as it should be - I tend to read what I expect to see, rather than what's actually there! However, overall, despite the 535 (well, it seems that many) amendments, I don't think its too bad for a first effort. It's been a pretty intensive learning process, and I'm still picking up new things, particularly about Wikipedia style!

Skinsmoke 19:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Date links

Since you have taken an interest in date links. Please be kind enough to vote for my new bot application. bobblewik 20:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

New locomotive manufacturers

Hi, just a quick note to thank you for adding in a number of important loco makers today. Hudswell Clarke and Company and Dick, Kerr & Co. are particularly welcome. Have you thought about joining the WikiProject Trains? Its a useful forum for those of us working on railway related articles. All the best, Gwernol 17:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sheffield and Rotherham Railway

Hi! I agree that the page http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/h/railways.htm has a lot of text from wikipedia (and not just from the Sheffield and Rotherham Railway article). Under the terms of the GFDL at the very least they need to acknowledge wikipedia and provide links to all of the articles from which text was copied (as described in the "Users' rights and obligations" section of WP:COPY). The front page of the website provides a contact address that you could use ot email them and explain this (There are standard letters at Wikipedia:Standard_GFDL_violation_letter that you could use, or, if you prefer, I could do it). If they don't respond to your email, or if they respond negatively you can follow the process described at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. Let me know what you plan to do. JeremyA 02:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Stoke-Skegness

Hi Pickle and Chevin,

Not quite sure where we are at on this. I think mine was the last relevent change to Stoke-on-Trent. Situation now is that the North Stafford Railway's Crewe to Derby line now only has through trains between Crewe and Derby. Extended services to Nottingham, Grantham and Skegness have all been withdrawn. I now see no justification for mentioning Stoke in connection with Skegness. NoelWalley 09:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, there is one train daily in each direction between Derby and Crewe that calls at Peartree. As far as I can judge there are no calls at Peartree on the so called Cardiff to Nottingham Line (Birmingham-Derby). Regards, NoelWalley 13:00, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

"one train daily in each direction between Derby and Crewe calls at Peartree ..... no calls at Peartree on the so called Cardiff to Nottingham Line Interesting. It used to be the other way around :-)" Quite! I used to think Crewe to Skegness (or at least Nottingham) had become set in concrete until after my earlier message to Pickle and then I discovered that it is only a mile or so between Crewe and Kidsgrove that has been relaid by Balfour Beatie in their patent concrete slab track .... for evaluation purposes. Best wishes, NoelWalley 18:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

1) Copied this over to the Crewe-Derby line talk page (and mine!)

2) Chevin - I'm afraid I'm not on railchat, to many Projects (and work) running at the moment to get into another thing!!!). I acknowledge the huge problem on Wikipedia and rail transport in the UK/GB of reconciling passenger services and the actual rail they run on. I've done lots of work on the Southeastern page, as i live in Kent and am *only* at uni in Stoke (Keele), and we have the same issue. The only reason I've rocked the boat (LOL) is i found a brilliant site with station and line info for a series of Midlands rail services.

3) I've addedd "limited serivce" notes to the rail info boxes, down south we've the same thing on station they are trying to close (and im sure we had it on Etruria. Pickle 17:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Strines and Ambergate

Technically, Strines railway station is in the East Midlands: it's just over the border in Derbyshire, which forms part of the East Midlands Government Office Region, which is how the railway station stubs have been sorted.

As for Ambergate, that's a decently-sized article, so doesn't need a stub template.

Hope that answers your questions! --RFBailey 11:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood your original question. In fact, I deliberately removed the {{UKrailwaystations}} template: since Ambergate has the {{UK stations}} infobox, which now incorporates the A-Z links, it doesn't need the other one. The infobox is gradually being implemented across the whole network, but it's rather haphazard at the moment! --RFBailey 13:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Pinxton, Derbyshire

Just browsing randomly when I should be hard at work, and I noticed that someone has added a para on the local pubs, which is probably useful but doesn't sound very encyclopedic. I've never been to Pinxton myself, but dunno if you'd like to check it?

cheers,
Moyabrit 19:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Crampton

Hello,
First, the existence of the interwiki links only means that a given article has a version – not necessarily translated from a version to another, they may have been elaborated separately – in another language. That is usually what I do on english WP : I add by hand the interwiki links, particularly towards the fr wikipedia.

Regarding the addition I did to 4-2-0, you probably noticed that I withdrew it in my following edit ; actually, the fr wikipedia, as far as I can see since I am not an expert at all in the rail-related issues, does not seem to have a very consistent method to illustrate the Whyte notation (fr:classification des locomotives) : sometimes it is a general article (fr does have an article about the 0-4-2 for instance : fr:021 (locomotive)) and sometimes not (the 4-2-0 should have fr:210 (locomotive) for counterpart, but for now it is only a redirection to fr:Crampton (locomotive)). And the interwiki link in fr:Crampton (locomotive) is a link to Crampton locomotive ; that is why I cancelled my edit on 4-2-0 when I realized the error I had made...

If you are interested in knowing more on how things work in fr wikipedia (on railroad questions or not), I'd be glad to answer as far as I can. And when I cannot, I'll translate your question (in a better french than my english is!) and transmit it to the project on fr which takes care of the rail articles. Isaac Sanolnacov 09:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Gernan Wheatcroft Bugsworth Basin

Hello i wanted to ask where you got your information about this man who was the Wharfinger at Bugsworth Basin when it first opened - in particular the comment yuo made to state he had opened a store. the reason being i have just purchased the Wharfingers house originally built for him and we were intrigued as to the size of the cellars which seemed to indicate some sort of industry was taking place in them but have not been able to find much information. the canal society's records seem a bit thin as well so am interested to fin info from any source.

thanks

mark