Jump to content

Talk:Irish hunger strike: Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Content deleted Content added
Requested move 22 June 2024: my quickie analysis and opinion
On centenial recentism and enduring notability
Line 20: Line 20:
*::OK, my thoughts after my self-taught "quickie crash course" on the topic. There is a primary topic for [[Cork hunger strike]]; the one in 1920 seems to be the first, at least of the modern era. The 1920–1923 hunger strikes were closely aligned with the 1922–1923 [[Irish Civil War]], which obviously has long-term significance. The 1920–1923 hunger strikes happened in prisons located in all the major cities on the island – Dublin, Cork, and a prison ship in Belfast. These strikes are mentioned as background to the [[1981 Irish hunger strike]]. A broad-concept article [[Irish hunger strikes]] covering them all would be ideal, but lacking that we have to settle for a disambiguation.
*::OK, my thoughts after my self-taught "quickie crash course" on the topic. There is a primary topic for [[Cork hunger strike]]; the one in 1920 seems to be the first, at least of the modern era. The 1920–1923 hunger strikes were closely aligned with the 1922–1923 [[Irish Civil War]], which obviously has long-term significance. The 1920–1923 hunger strikes happened in prisons located in all the major cities on the island – Dublin, Cork, and a prison ship in Belfast. These strikes are mentioned as background to the [[1981 Irish hunger strike]]. A broad-concept article [[Irish hunger strikes]] covering them all would be ideal, but lacking that we have to settle for a disambiguation.
*::[[Prison Maze hunger strike]], [[Northern Irish hunger strike]], and [[Northern Ireland hunger strike]] would be, if someone created them, primary redirects to [[1981 Irish hunger strike]] that didn't need to specify the specific year to disambiguate. – [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
*::[[Prison Maze hunger strike]], [[Northern Irish hunger strike]], and [[Northern Ireland hunger strike]] would be, if someone created them, primary redirects to [[1981 Irish hunger strike]] that didn't need to specify the specific year to disambiguate. – [[User:Wbm1058|wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 15:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
*Remarks on recentism and enduring notability:
:I wonder if there's a danger of confusing enduring notability with a kind of centenial recentism. I note that the majority of articles on the RTE website concerning the 1920 and 1923 hunger strikes were written in the context of their recent centenaries. Writing in the Irish Times in 2023, Frank McNally called the 1923 hunger strike, [https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irish-diary/2023/11/21/fast-forward-frank-mcnally-on-the-forgotten-mass-hunger-strike-of-1923/ "the forgotten mass hunger strike of 1923"], and "among the least well remembered of its kind". That doesn't speak of enduring notability.
:The pages "[[1920 Cork hunger strike]]" and "[[1923 Irish hunger strikes]]" were both created in 2021 and have 37 and 42 incoming links respectively, while "[[1981 Irish hunger strike]]" was created in 2004 and has 1,162. [[User:Jean-de-Nivelle|Jean-de-Nivelle]] ([[User talk:Jean-de-Nivelle|talk]]) 08:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 08:56, 25 June 2024

Requested move 22 June 2024

Irish hunger strikeIrish hunger strike (disambiguation) – "1981 Irish hunger strike" is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC on the basis of page views, so WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT applies. "Irish hunger strike" should redirect to "1981 Irish hunger strike", and the disambiguation page should be at "Irish hunger strike (disambiguation)" Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page views analysis here. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. WP:RECENTISM, hunger strikes from 1920 and 1923 (more then a hundred years ago) does not gain the same internet coverage as the most recent one. The Banner talk 16:25, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if there's a danger of confusing enduring notability with a kind of centenial recentism. I note that the majority of articles on the RTE website concerning the 1920 and 1923 hunger strikes were written in the context of their recent centenaries. Writing in the Irish Times in 2023, Frank McNally called the 1923 hunger strike, "the forgotten mass hunger strike of 1923", and "among the least well remembered of its kind". That doesn't speak of enduring notability.
The pages "1920 Cork hunger strike" and "1923 Irish hunger strikes" were both created in 2021 and have 37 and 42 incoming links respectively, while "1981 Irish hunger strike" was created in 2004 and has 1,162. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 08:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]