Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies

Deputy Coordinators.

if we're going to have deputy coordinators for May we'd better get on with it. I think we need three - would people agree? Would anyone like to stand? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

A few random thoughts to throw into the melting pot. Answers may depend on who is willing to take on the responsibility:

1. Structure. Do we want need a heirachy among the projects coordinators. i.e. would we rather have:
   • 3 or 4 coordinators, or
   • 1 coordinator and 2/3 assistant coordinators
2. Functions. What tasks need to be performed by coordinators (more correctly I think this should be "what tasks need to be performed by coordinators if no one else has gotten round to doing them")?
   • One of the areas that needs closer watching is the Portal which Dev is too overstretched to do. And regretfully Satyr and I have been rather distracted from by tasks elsewhere (Jeff is away for an unknown length of time).
   • Should coordinators each be assigned responsibility for maintaining various project areas?

I haven't reached any conclusions as regards the above but those seem to be some of the things we should discuss. WjBscribe 15:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think following MILHIST's example, we should have one lead coordinator and three deputies. Also, under the terms of my resignation a few weeks ago, the deputies are there to give people experience in the job before my current role also comes up for reelection. So I was thinking we could elect three deputies now, then in July follow a system where there are four posts and whoever gets the most votes becomes coordinator and the three runners up become deputies. The functions as I see it are to maintain all the pages, updating the collaboration, the open tasks templates, the jumpaclass, to peer review where needed (which I admit I don't do a lot because I find it tedious), and other maintence tasks, to chivvy people when there are lots of peer reviews not being done among other things, to identify projects needs and either fulfil them or find members suitable to do so, to recruit, to participate in discussions where necessary, and be on hand to answer any questions necessary. With my rapidly decreasing time I simply cannot do all of this as much as I would really, really, like to.

Areas which I hope some fresh blood could inject some new life is the Portal, as mentioned by WJB, which really got put onto the back burner (mainly because WJB said he would automate it all and hasn't yet, so I can't do anything. :D), but also the Translation section, which has lots of people willing to translate but could do with a bit of a revamp so translations actually get done. I don't see the need to limit anyone to a particular area: we don't limit members so why limit coordinators? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

How does this look for an election page? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I like it, but I'm not so sure about the timing. Ideally, I'd like our coordinators to be elected by May so they can get a full three months in, but I'm not sure how to arrange that. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

<shrug> I'm not sure one week makes that much of a difference. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I suppose not. My autism just likes things to be tidy. :) But you're right, six days doesn't mean much, in the general scheme of things. Thoough possibly not May 6, the day the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft was attacked by Nazi Youth? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to advertise a bit. Can you send out a notice about how we're going to hold elections and could anyone interested please stand (and maybe tack on a small notice about helping out on our LGBT people list)? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Today is May 1st.... Raystorm 17:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, now you know why I wanted to get this over with before I had to leave. SatyrTN has decided to break until the 8th as well. Anyway, my exams are calling, I really can't deal with this now, it's too late. Prove your worth. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll take over the running of the election. I'm going to keep nominations open until May 5 to encourage more people to come forwards (which also means they won't be open for too long before Satyr in back). WjBscribe 19:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

.......What an auspicious beginning. Raystorm 19:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I do think we need to publicise this a bit more. When is the next newsletter due out? WjBscribe 19:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, it should have come out today. Raystorm 19:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Right, all the more reason to have a few more days of noms. I'll make sure it gives good notice of the elections and deliver it by hand if necessary. WjBscribe 19:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

@_@ Surely we can get a bot to do that? Even if Satyrbot is unavailable now. Raystorm 20:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter

Doesn't look as if this is even started. Help appreciated to get in done quickly. WjBscribe 19:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

On it. Raystorm 20:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Right that's done. Thanks for your input. Thanks also to Coelacan for helping me deliver them all :-). WjBscribe 04:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Tribeca Film Festival LGBT photos

Lee Daniels

The gays have been staying in the Tribeca Film closet. At the Spiderman 3 premiere last night only a couple of known homos showed up: Mario Cantone and Lee Daniels. By the way, Daniels, at right, is not in a part of our project even though he is a prominent gay African-American dad. I'll be at the Drew Barrymore premiere tonight. I'm very, very tired...this has been a lot of work! --David Shankbone 19:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Drew Barrymore? :-D Awesome! You're the best David, thanks for your great work. Raystorm 19:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Raystorm. It's important to remember that I have done all this just based upon my Wikipedia work. If I can do it, anyone else can too. There's nothing special about me. It's worth consideration... --David Shankbone 20:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The Drew Barrymore photo is live; the Eric Bana photo will be as well...so hot, he was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidShankBone (talk • contribs) 04:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Joris-Karl Huysmans

Was Joris-Karl Huysmans gay or not then? I was told he was, back at school. Anyone know for sure?Zigzig20s 21:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Gay vandalism on two articles

I tried to get these two pages semi-protected due to repeative anonymous homophobic vandalism but the admins turned me down. I've been standing watch over these articles for too long and I hereby resign for a few weeks. Someone else needs to take up the cause. The articles are: Fudge and Jim Jones. Kids and Lusers seem to find it amusing to link up to "insert" objectionable words or statements that some friend of theirs is a "faggot". The Fudge article gets hit the most but some of the stuff that gets edited into Jim Jones is pretty nasty.LiPollis 07:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Change to Section 28

I assume this change (explained here, kind of) is by someone who thinks "gay" can only mean "jolly". Either way, I think we should keep an eye on this and other articles. garik 15:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Tribeca project ends

*As of last night, with my Drew Barrymore, Eric Bana, Chris Hanson, Robert Duvall and Phyllis Somerville additions, my Tribeca project is now officially ended. It was an exhausting week - around 200 portraits done.--David Shankbone 17:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

John Cameron Mitchell

I took a crack at finding some cites for this article. Can anyone help? There has to be a FEW of his fans out there! Bearian 02:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

He has agreed to let me do his portrait. --David Shankbone 03:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Fashion project

I've been tagging and assessing articles for the new fashion project for about a month now and have noticed we share a lot of overlap, mainly in bios of designers. So, I just thought I'd drop the WP:LGBT community a note here letting you know about the project if you didn't already, and inviting any interested editors to join in (the need is great, I can say from having waded through so many of our poor-quality fashion articles) if they wish to help improve this aspect of Wikipedia. And even if you can't, a little attention and improvement to some of these articles we share could only help. Daniel Case 04:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

collaboration of the month

Please change it to the one for May. I would do it if I could figure out all the codes...Also, where do we suggest things for June? (on the collaboration talkpage perhaps?)Zigzig20s 18:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Yeah the collaboration talkpage seems the best place for now. Maybe once the new coordinator team is up and running we can have a slightly more efficient process :-) ... WjBscribe 19:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Ta.Zigzig20s 19:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Breakfast on Pluto (film) page

Apologies if this isn't allowable; I'm new and don't really understand if this is where I'm supposed to post this question. A page I recently expanded greatly is still listed as a stub under your project, and it's far from being a stub anymore: Breakfast on Pluto. Could someone upgrade it? Thanks. Melty girl 01:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Congrats on the good work. :-) Raystorm 03:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Obesity and lesbians

An editor has gotten into a bit of revert battle over adding information from a study to the Homosexual and Lesbian articles. The study links lesbians with increased incidences of obesity and was published by the American Journal of Public Health, so it is both academic and notable. However, the information doesn't actually seem to "fit" in either article, and editors have been quick to remove all references to this study.

When I examined this matter, I noticed neither the Lesbian nor the Gay articles had sections detailing health-related matters (if I've overlooked something, please bring it to my attention). As a result, this bit of information about an obesity correlation seems to have no home, and its inclusion in these articles indeed appears out of place.

I think that both the Gay and Lesbian articles should have "health" sections with mental and physical health subsections (or are there already separate articles I've overlooked…). Obviously these sections will become lightning rods for POV pushers, but managed carefully, they can become quite useful for information sharing and myth-busting. The B.U. study/revert war simply highlights the need for such sections. Thoughts? Rklawton 19:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

No. I have the same health as a heterosexual. Perhaps you're thinking of the way society impinges on how homosexuals may feel - depression, eating disorders, etc... I fear that may all become rather stigmatising.Zigzig20s 19:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The question at hand, though, is does this type of information rate a section? Rklawton 19:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

If the information is in fact valid, the place it would belong is on the obesity article. It does not seem relevant to the lesbian page, as it is only a recent study and not relevant to lesbianism throughout history. — Emiellaiendiay 20:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the information comes from an academic source. I should also note that the research doesn't indicate causality - just correlation. What about the maladies listed by Zigzig20s? Wouldn't these rate a section? Rklawton 22:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. Depression and eating disorders occur when people don't feel valued and deserving...Homophobia and heteronormativity can lead to that, obviously. But then lots of things can lead to that too - patriarchal pressure on women (to fit into specific patterns of behaviour); grief; divorce...So again, I really don't think so. Zigzig20s 22:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

deputy coordinator election, on now!

So, the deputy coordinator election are going on now!

Here is the voting page: Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Coordinator/May 2007

It's going on until 23:59 (UTC) on May 11. ··coelacan 03:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Translation

Hi. I and StuRat translated an article in Portuguese about this WikiProject. I left a message to Dev, but no-one answered on her talk page, nor on mine. Here is the translation. I hope it's useful. A.Z. 03:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! When you say, "linked from this page", you're talking about the link from Template:LGBT open tasks, right? ··coelacan 04:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes! A.Z. 05:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. I've also put it at Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Community#Publicity, which I think is the long-term place to track these things. ··coelacan 04:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

My apologies A.Z., I am online for only a few minutes a day and I'm trying comment only where absolutely necessary.

Which is where this message comes in. Some time ago, I gave an interview to The Advocate, and after not hearing anything for months, suddenly got an email a few days ago that an article about us will be in the "Pride issue" in two weeks time. It has a subscribership of 165,000, so I don't think a WikiProject has ever pulled anything off like this before. Yay us!

And if anyone knows where I can buy The Advocate in London, please tell me, because I spent two hours last week trekking all over London, from Gay's the Word to Borders (where I had a very embarrassing conversation with two shop assistants who had bad English and made me bellow that I wanted a gay magazine in front of the entire paying queue, which got me some very strange looks), and got nothing. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I am well impressed. The Advocate has a huge readership worlwide. Funnily enough I've never tried to buy it in the UK though...BTW, is it gonna appear on their website as well?Zigzig20s 09:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The Independent on Sunday Pink List 2007

2007 list of the most influencial gay person in Britain I have updated the entries of 5 top people... feel free to use the rest of the list... --Zefrog 14:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Propose change to nav Template:Civil union

I've proposed a significant change in the format of the navigational Template:Civil union on the talk page there. I'd welcome suggestions, input, etc. from project members. I've proposed it first b/c the changes would be significant. ZueJay (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

vandalism

Hi, don't know if it's isolated to one user but Burntapple has been removing tag from various articles including Lonnie Frisbee, Mark Foley and possibly others who were closeted but aren't so anymore. He's been warned about edit wars and had 3RR a few times. Just wanted to give a heads up.Benjiboi 19:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Roger that. I'll watch his contribs.  E. Sn0 =31337= ^Talk 20:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• Same dude who was trying to get the obesity thing linked into Homosexuality and Lesbian at the weekend. See my talk page - Alison ☺ 20:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

1) Watch who you call a Vandal. 2) I added the tag to Mark Foley. 3) "possibly others" Now you're just guessing. Burntapple 20:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)