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User:AlexNewArtBot/Kurdistan

Would you mind explaining me the purpose of these sub pages. I am asking because there is no Kurdistan-stub and it was deleted before. -- Cat ^chi? 21:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well it is time to create one. --Bohater 21:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Plese see User:AlexNewArtBot for the description of the bot's work. Basically it daily looks through the list of the new articles and puts into the lists of new articles according to some rules. The generated new article lists are mostly used for the wiki projects, some are used for the other tasks (e.g. "good articles" recommended for DYK, "autobiographies" for COI, etc.) User:AlexNewArtBot/Kurdistan are the new rules for the Kurdistan related articles. The $$stub$$ rule supposed to be used for the automatic assignment of the stub type. Currently this functionality is turned off by the decision of the Bot Approval Group so the statement has no effect. In future if I would ever get the approval it would be better if {{Kurdistan-stub}} was there (maybe as a redirect to another template) or the $$Kurdistan-stub$$ was not in the rules. Otherwise the bot would insert invalid templates to the articles. I have no desire to argue the bot's case in the nearest future, though, so you have plenty of time Alex Bakharev 22:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

{{Kurdistan-stub}} and similar such templates were deleted as per multiple WP:SFDs. It wont be recreated as per consensus. While I understand the feature is off, should it be turned on that setting will cause the types of problems you mentioned. -- Cat ^chi? 22:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

That is not true. these stubs were deleted before WikiProject Kurdistan have created. There were hardly users, who support for keep. The stubs are a very important part of a Wiki Project. For further dicussion, please continue here. --Bohater 01:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Denied. Only sovereign and officially recognized countries get to have stubs at which Kurdistan miserably fails to even identify as a defacto country. Furthermore some countries are merged with others for the sake of stub sorting. There is nothing further to discuss. You are welcome to as at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting. -- Cat ^chi? 01:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Again!, The Alex Bakharev' s dicussion site is not a place, where you should discuss about using of stubs. Please discuss here. It think Alex Bakharev needs a bit of peace. --Bohater 01:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Alex Bakharev, please see [1] and [2]. -- Cat ^chi? 01:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Exactly!, that is what i mean. I see only the well known users, who are decided for deletion of all kurdish related thinks here in Wikipedia. Alex Bakharev see here . That's beside the point . --Bohater 01:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys! My decision means nothing for the plight of the template. Currently the stub line in the rules have no effect whatever. In future we could just redirect the {{Kurdistan-stub}} to {{MEast-stub}} or whatever or I can remove the line. I do not intend to enable the stub sorting feature in the foreseeable future so your argument here is just waste of your time. The stub templates are a maintenance thing, they are suppose to make life easier not the other way around. One of the main requirements for a stub type is more than a hundred articles (60 to make the thing started). Do you really have so many Kurdistan-related stubs. The other thing is that it is a controversial issue that might spark edit wars instead of encouraging expanding the articles. I understand all the difficulties and have no intention to intervene with the issue, honestly Alex Bakharev 02:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well we have for stub type more than a hundred articles. See here. --Bohater 11:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Melbourne meetup 6

Hi. This is a reminder to people on the Melbourne meetup participation list that the next meetup has been arranged for 19 June. Could you indicate on the meetup page your likely attendence, or otherwise. Regards. - Cuddy Wifter 23:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

User:M.V.E.i.

Alex, I noticed you amended this user's block from indefinite to one month. I have restored this to indefinite. Please discuss blocks with the blocking administrator before amending them.

M.V.E.i. was not blocked for mere 'incivility'. He was blocked indefinitely for racist comments, soapboxing, trolling and hate speech. A selection of his comments include:

• "Half French, which explains his sexual orientation"
• "No such nationality as Israeli"
• "Thats the baltic way, cheat, lie, and when they loose they run to Europe and NATO to complain they are being smashed. Those Balts here are nothing but trolls"
• "Germans are your Enemies yet you were their uniforms and also "worked hard" for the SS in their name".
• "You Balts try to represent lies as truth so you could lower your national shame, it will never happen, the history is against you".
• "Estonian "democracy""
• "Those Estonians who we argue with are eated with self-hate. They know that their grandfathers from the forest brothers and the ss were creeps"
• "He's a German, so I expected it"
• "the Estonians started the Holocaust in Estonia even before the Germans arrived their"
• "you have baltic blood offcourse you will try to denie the crimes of those to who some of your blood belonges to".
• Entire post, personal and racist attack
• "Say thankyou that we, as winners didn't delete you, allies of the Nazis, from this planet"
• "Besides, USSR never killed Baltic people (Except at World War 2, but that were Baltic Nazis killed, there not considered people"
• "Stop this bullshit. The only reason that the baltics hate USSR, is because they are self-eated with hate. They baltic people feel little, useless".

Did you even review the diffs provided in the initial post to WP:AN/I? Please do not reduce the user's block length again. Neil ╦ 09:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I have responded on my talk page, but I thought I should let you know I've asked for some other admin input in a new post on WP:AN/I. Neil ╦ 14:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The central argument here seems to be, that M.V.E.i. is accusing Estonians for involvement in the Holocaust (while the other side is doing everything to deny this). Estonian involvements is a fact; up to 20,000 thousand Jews were murdered in Estonia after Estonia was first declared Judenfrei. In most cases (i.e. excluding Klooga) the executions were carried out by Estonians. I can see no hate speech in pointing out that many Estonians were Nazi collaborators, certainly no more than what we hear from the other side. -- Petri Krohn 15:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

This accounts only for a small part of the comments. Besides, pointing this out could certainly be either civil or not. And here it wasn't civil. E.g. Those Balts here are nothing but trolls, you have baltic blood offcourse you will try to denie the crimes of those to who some of your blood belonges to, not considered people , Say thankyou that we, as winners didn't delete you, allies of the Nazis, from this planet. Very very civil indeed. all you did in your intire history is killing Jews in your country, those are facts -- it doesn't really look like a fact, and M.V.E.i doesn't look really competent here. Colchicum 15:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Some comments by User:DLX are clear examples of Holocaust denial and by definition hate speech. Shouldn't this earn an indef block to DLX and some of his supporters? -- Petri Krohn 15:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry i cannot locate this comment now. What I am refering to, is an edit summary that states someting like: "(20,000) Jews could not have been exterminated in Estonia in 1943 - 1944, because Estonia was declared Judenfrei already in 1941." -- Petri Krohn 16:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

At worst it was an honest mistake Alex Bakharev 16:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I fail to see any Nazi POV in something like this. Just a challenging question. One might wonder where those 20,000 had come from. It doesn't deny that Estonia was declared Judenfrei. Colchicum 16:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

To correctly understand value of Petri's comment its definitely useful to read his own ideas. I guess that edit summary[3] from Petri helps to explain why he supports MVEi.--Staberinde 15:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

If M.V.E.i would state these facts civilly and in the appropriate places then we all would do this evening something useful than discussing if his edits are worth one month or rather indefinite block. Still I believe indefinite block is an overkill. DLX was not perfect but much more polite than M.V.E.i Alex Bakharev 15:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

No refs have been provided, by the way, and a hardly appropriate place has been chosen for this. But anyway, there is no rule in Wikipedia concerning Holocaust denial. Though I think Holocaust was real and terrible, I also think that Holocaust denial per se is not hate speech. No more than earth's sphericity denial. It is Holocaust approval that would be hate speach. BTW, then isn't USSR never killed Baltic people sort of denial? The problem is not Holocaust but rather that M.V.E.i assumes collective responsibility and is overly uncivil. Colchicum 15:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Correct, that is why I am not arguing for unblocking of M.V.E.i. but just against the indefinite block. One month is a very serious punishment on Wiki Alex Bakharev 16:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to "troll" your page like this, but could you please point out where I have denied the Holocaust? My claim were that Estonians did not start killing Jews before Germans arrived - and that Estonian SS-Legion did not participate in killing of Estonian Jews. Considering that SS-Legion was created after Estonia was declared Judenfrei by Germans... well, it is kinda hard to claim they killed Jews while Legion didn't exist. As for the first claim, I believe it to be true, although I have no rock solid sources either way. Estonia only had approx. 4500 Jews before WWII, about 500 - wealthiest - were deported/killed by Soviets before Germans arrived, further ~3000 fled the only way they could - East (some to Sweden as well). So, I see no reason why Estonians would have killed Jews before Germans arrived - wealthy ones were gone (reason for pogroms in some other countries) and Estonians had always had excellent relations with Jews and Jewish community - which continued after Soviet's re-occupied Estonia (see Yuri Lotman and Zara Mints, for example) - and still is present today. DLX 16:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is the comment I am refering to. I remememr you saying, that the Estonian SS-Legion could not have contributed to the Holocaust in Estonia, as it was only formed after Estonia was declared Judenfrei. The 20,000 Jews were imported to Estonia for slave labor and extermination. According to Eugenia Gurin-Loov most of them were exterminated by Estonian guards days before Estonia was liberated the democratically elected Estonian government was overthrown and Estonia re-occupied by the Red Army. I do not know if members of the Estonian SS-Legion took part in these executions, but the dates certainly do not rule it out. -- Petri Krohn 20:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Though I strongly believe that M.V.E.i is not a racist, absolutely agree with Alex, can provide more arguments, etc., it is clear that discussion became pointless. All I want to add now is that M.V.E.i is a young man, who should be given a chance. Indefinite block is not a good lesson and could only anger him. Beatle Fab Four 16:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Alex, I would like you to check [4] as I have some problems with your latest comment there.--Staberinde 16:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocking review box

You have reremoved a blocking review box on User talk:M.V.E.i. that I readded after he removed it. Blocking review boxes should not be removed before the block is over, and in long blocks, a few days after that. Please rereadd. Digwuren 11:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Anna Politkovskaya

Hi! Something is going on with Anna Politkovskaya. I know, Ghirlandajo is considered respected editor here, but he repeatedly tries to insert baseless and, I believe, misleading claims about Politkovskaya's ethnicity. He seems to equate ethnicity and race, which is far from current understanding of this term. Colchicum 15:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

BadSearchResult

What exactly is meant by this set of pages? I noticed that an article I recently worked on is listed, along with my username, in "Archive 9" of that category, thus I'm curious what the problem is and how to fix it, if it's serious. —freak(talk) 10:04, Jun. 10, 2007 (UTC)

• Freak, User:AlexNewArtBot/BadSearchResult is suppose to be a list of new articles that the bot thinks may be vanity or bad faith. The bot has no intelligence it just record occurrence in the article of informal or swear words, creator's nickname, a few memes like tripling elephants and also very short or very long articles. There are a lot of false positives and you articles is one of those. If you do not like it be referred from such a page then just remove it. Alex Bakharev 11:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

M.V.E.i. (again)

As the discussion on WP:AN/I has once again ground to a halt with the same people preferring to bitch the same things about the same old nationality rubbish rather than address the original question, I have suggested to M.V.E.i. that if he is willing to pledge to behave from now on, and to stop any kind of nationalistic bigotry, hate speech or racism, I will reduce his block length to 2 months. Seems like a reasonable compromise between the month half called for and the indefinite block the other half wanted. How does that sound? Neil ╦ 21:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfair. He is young, interested in music, not politics. Think about it, please. Beatle Fab Four 22:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Petri asked for some diffs

Holocaust

Q:How many Jews were killed by Estonian SS legioners? (Sic. Not a word about Estonian Jews only)

[5] Quote from DLX: “As for your second question, that is easy: 0. They [Estonian legion] did not participate in Holocaust”. No comments.

[6] Quotes from DLX: 1) “You asked how many were killed by Estonian SS (that is Waffen-SS legion, as there were no Estonians in SS-proper). And the answer is still the same – none”. 2) “And prime minister [Ansip] apologized for actions of a few collaborators - to be honest, I don't know if any other country has done that.” No comments.

[7] Quote from DLX: “Actually, what I said was that Estonian SS-Legion didn't participate in Holocaust in Estonia (they weren't formed before 1942, Holocaust in Estonia was done by the end of 1941) - or abroad. This still stands”. No comments.

[8] Quote from someone Martintg: “How can the Estonian Legion be involved in killing Jews, the Legion wasn't formed until 1942, after Estonia's Jews were killed in 1941”. No comments.

Some other references:

[9] Quote from DLX: “Nazi capitulation? There was no such thing”. No comments.

[10] Quote from DLX: “fifty years of Russian occupation was definitely worse then three years of German rule” No comments.

[11] Quote from DLX: “I am an established (1000+ edits) user, who hasn't broken any wikipedia rules, ever” Comment: He was lying, was blocked before. See his block log: [12]

[13] Quote from DLX: “looters and thieves are heroes in Russia” Comment: Racist slur?

Beatle Fab Four 23:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Beatle Fab Four, I don't think anybody here is interested in your feud with each other. If you have no comments, don't comment. When Martintg asked: "How can the Estonian Legion be involved in killing Jews, the Legion wasn't formed until 1942, after Estonia's Jews were killed in 1941", you would better look for an answer rather than assume bad faith. fifty years of Russian occupation was definitely worse then three years of German rule -- as to Estonia, I agree. Well, thechically it is wrong to call this occupation, but the period was overall worse. “looters and thieves are heroes in Russia” Comment: Racist slur? -- just ridiculous. Neither Russia nor looters and thieves are races. Wikipedia is not a battlefield, and one can hardly be useful here and will certainly never win assuming otherwise. Colchicum 10:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, guys, I'll switch to Russian, since my source is in Russian. Ты бы, кольчикум, почитал вот это ([14] Yevgeniya Albats, New Times) Beatle Fab Four 21:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Beatle, please avoid personal attacks at least on my talk page. I am not sure that this discussion is useful. The good thing about wikipedia that it joins people with very different backgrounds and point of views to present truly comprehensive description of various controversies (rather than have some strawmen). If we would manage to persuade DXL and his Estonian friends to abandon their point of views we would have to find fresh supporters to illustrate their views. Why should we do it in the first place? This does not remove the need to have some civility in arguments, the thickness of people's skin is different and some feel very uncomfortable then personal attacks unchecked. Alex Bakharev 03:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

So what? Messy emotions I don't understand, excuse me. That I don't like Albats-bashing doesn't mean that I always agree with her. Personally nobody of the contributors is responsible for the Holocaust, and it is certainly not a good idea to blame them. And nobody shall hold responsibility for what he believes. As contributors they are only responsible for what they contribute. And yes, Colchicum rather than kol'chikum. Colchicum 10:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

_{(laughs quietly)} After Petri had to ask for help - and searching through I-don't-know-how-many edits, this is the "worst" you can find? Ripping pieces out of context, such as [15] - that was German capitulation, not "Nazi capitulation". As for my block log, you conveniently forgot to mention that the previous block was overturned, as it was used by admin in questionable circumstances (namely, content dispute). Your holocaust denial accusations show clearly just one thing - that you, BFF, believe that Estonian SS Legion must have been killing Jews, because, well, they are Estonian SS Legion. I have no knowledge what they did afterwards - but they did not participate in murder of those 1000..1500 Estonian Jews in 1941. And why do you even try to show “fifty years of Russian occupation was definitely worse then three years of German rule” as something bad or untrue - once again, failing to mention, that in another case I said that fifty years of German rule would have probably been worse then 50 years of Soviet rule.

Oh, and user:Martintg is an Australian.

DLX 03:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please join

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-10 Podilsko-Voskresenska Line. --Kuban Cossack 17:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Also what do you think I should do about this [16] (read the whole discussion). --Kuban Cossack 22:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Please try not to get too many people involved that didn't come across the issue accidentally. I want the issue to be resolved by people who are interested in it, and not by people who were invited. Nothing personal against Alex Bakharev, of course. — Alex^(U|C|E) 00:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Re protection of the Başkale article

Alex, can you please let me know when you unprotect the Başkale article. I only wish to do a cleanup on it -- am not involved on either side of any of the debates surrouding it. Thanks! Donama 03:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the image on Estonian national awakening

It complements the article so nicely :) --Alexia Death 08:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk

Alex, could I do anything to persuade Ghirlandajo not to come to my User talk anymore politely? Colchicum 11:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Could you help come up with an NPOV title for this article: [[17]].

What about something like "Iran (newspaper) cartoon controversy" (This will match the title of a similar article: Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy Which also has the name of the paper). The current title is highly POV. A) It was one cartoon, not multiple cartoons, B) It was percieved as being Anti-Azerbaijani, not that it was necessarily meant to be anti-Azerbaijani, these are the two major problems with the current title.Hajji Piruz 17:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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Request

We have a revert war going on at Aleksander Brückner. One party is an anonymous IP who despite repeated requests refuses to get a login, making constructive discussion very difficult as the IP fluctuates from time to time. Could you please take a look? I think the best way to stop this mess would be to semi-protect the article, but as one of the parties to the revert war I could of course be wrong. Please make your own decision here. Balcer 17:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• The guy seems to be quite literate in the subject. After learning about wikipolicies he may be a useful contributor. I have suggested to him to seek a compromise on the talk pages rather than edit war Alex Bakharev 02:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for encouraging him to get an account. If he does, that should make interactions with him easier. Still, I have asked him to do this many times before, with no effect. If there is no response this time either, and his revert warring continues, I hope you will be willing to consider appropriate action. Balcer 14:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:POINT

Sorry to bother you, but since you edited the article Russians in Ukraine, I was wondering if you have an opinion on the serious violation of the WP:POINT there[18]. I'd like to hear your opinion about it before I file it on the ANB. Thanks in advance. --Hillock65 17:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot/OregonList

The members of WikiProject Oregon have finished using the current list based on Category:Oregon created by your bot. We think it would be good to ask you to run the bot occasionally by request hereafter--let us know if that works for you. If you'd like to not have it on one of your subpages we could make it a subpage of WPOR. Thanks to your bot, WPOR has added approximately 1000 articles to our lists and this has helped us implement our assessment program as well. Right now we would like you to run your bot run again in the same way (find anything in the Category:Oregon category tree that has not already been tagged with {{WikiProject Oregon}}), so we can have the list for reference, then we will ask you to run the bot again once in a while. If possible, we would like the bot to ignore these categories, which generate a bunch of false positives: Category:Amtrak, Category:Hudson's Bay Company, Category:Intel, Category:Nike, Inc., Category:Cascade Range, Category:Oregon Trail, Category:Modoc War, Category:Religious culture of the Pacific Northwest, Category:Columbia River, Category:Snake River, Category:BNSF Railway, Category:Burlington Northern Railroad, Category:Northern Pacific Railway, Category:Southern Pacific Railroad, and Category:Union Pacific Railroad. No hurry, as it appears you are on Wikibreak, but if you get a chance to do this, please leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon. Thanks again for your great bot! Your other Oregon list has been a great help! Katr67 18:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Iranian Azerbaijan

pls. look [[19]]. this is what I wrote you - again reverts by Hajji Piruz meatpuppets. Pls. also comment on RfC further. It seems we have reached something but Hajji Piruz and his Co. try to destroy it.--Dacy69 19:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC) also please look at this picture which Hajji Piruz is trying to insert in the page with his comments [20]. then I believe pictures of demonstration should be also inserted in the page. I would appreciate of you could comment on that as well.--Dacy69 19:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you summuraize your proposal at Iranian Azerbaijan. My quote of your proposal was not accepted. Editors will only accept one made by yourslef.Thanks.--Dacy69 16:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalizing User Talk Pages

Regarding this message I respectively disagree with your judgment. You are making a decision on behalf of Irpen on which images he likes, and which he does not. There are similar (while politically opposite) images on his talk page, and my point was to present to him the wider spectr of opinions. I don't mind if he removes the image and ask not to put such images any more, it's his choice after all, not yours. You fail to explain why in your judgment the image I inserted is vandalism, but the image right above the one I inserted is not (especially given the recent religious-like craziness that has been observed here on May 9).--Novelbank 22:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Please re-read WP:TROLL Alex Bakharev 00:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Why did you express your personal opinion on my talk page about the event covered by the poster I uploaded? --Novelbank 01:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I did presented my personal opinion regarding your vandalizing user pages with xenophobic images. No reread WP:TROLL and stop pestering Alex Bakharev 01:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. Wouldnt you say that this title "Iran (newspaper) cockroach cartoon controversy" is more accurate than the current title "Azeri Cartoon Controversy in "Iran" Newspaper".

"Iran (newspaper) cockroach cartoon controversy" would also match the title of a similar article Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, wouldnt you agree?Hajji Piruz 03:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Your MfD

You have nominated for deletion my compendium of Petri Krohn's weird ideas. Your nomination is clearly baseless. Please withdraw. Digwuren 06:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• Attack pages are not allowed Alex Bakharev 07:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• There's nothing attacky about this page. Digwuren 08:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

New chemistry articles

I just wanted to say thanks to you for this page. I recently stumbled across it and have been using it to find/categorize/expand new chemistry articles. --Ed (Edgar181) 18:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Hey, thanks for putting some protection up on the Rose Bowl Game page, I've been reverting vanaslism on that page for far too long, now it hopefully won't need it anyomre. Thanks again!

Alexdragon 05:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)