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Image:Viking_expansion.png

Hi, regarding image Image:Viking_expansion.png of your creation, could you remove indications that there would have been Viking settlements in south-western Finland, as there was none (only Åland islands were settled by Scandinavians). Also, Finland is not known to have been under "frequent raids" from Vikings, they pretty much ignored Finland as much more lucrative targets were in sight.

Also, the raids in north-westerns Russia were not that wide. The only place they are known to have raided in that direction is the site of today's Arkhangelsk.

I would also be careful using the settlement color so widely in Canada. Only one settlement is known, in Newfoundland. --Drieakko 06:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The sagas speak of many raids in Kvenland and in Karelia, and in Bjarmland, which is modern Perm Oblast. I have reduced the area of the Bjarmland raids somewhat. You are correct with respect to settlement in Finland.

With respect to Vinland, the map makes clear that the exact location of the areas referred to in the sagas is unknown, which is why the color is so spread out. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that Bjarmland of the sagas is the Perm Krai. They sail there by sea, as far as I remember. --Ghirla^-трёп- 17:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You are quite right, I was mistaken. Bjarmland is believed to be in the Archangelsk region as Drieakko stated. Only some scholars identify it with Great Perm - but maybe Permians lived in the White Sea at that time? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see the problem in connecting Bjarmaland with the Permians. There is a natural water route Arkhangelsk-Dvina-Vychegda-Kama(Perm)-Volga, and what is unlikely in stating that the Permians may have had trading stations at the White Sea?--Berig 19:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a bit outside my area of expertise. I know that when the sagas speak of Bjarmland they generally refer to long voyages to somewhere north and beyond Finnmark. I think it likely that Bjarma=Permian but I haven't followed the scholarly literature one way or the other. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

If Bjarmland is supposed to be on the White Sea, does that mean that the Norse called that area Bjarmland because Permian traders came there? Or is Bjarmland actually upriver in Perm Oblast and did the Norsemen actually go there? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

If you look at a map, there is a river system going from the White Sea down to the Volga Bend. I have no trouble imagining that the dominions of the Permians covered that distance. In Nordisk familjebok in the article about Bjarmaland, it says that the Bjarmians traded between the White Sea and the Volga region. In order to trade that distance, it helps being in control of the portages and the necessary way stations. I don't see why the Permians could not have settlements at the White Sea. For the Scandinavians who met the Bjarmians/Permians in the region of Arkhangelsk, the entire hinterland down to the Urals would have been Bjarmaland.--Berig 20:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I see. Do you think the map is accurate in showing Norse raids in the area of Archangelsk, but not further south? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

In the article Eric Bloodaxe it says:

In 920, he undertook a Viking expedition to Bjarmaland, in northern Russia. In 930, be began his conquest by sailing down the Dvina River into Russia. There he sacked the small trading port of Permina.

It sounds like an expedition into the Permian hinterland, so the whole Dvina basin could be marked as the object of Norse raids.--Berig 21:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Ashina

I'm not a native speaker of English, and my language skills are limited. Perhaps it's the reason why I can't comprehend the phrase "These stories were at times pieced together to form a chronologically narrates of history, however the probability was large and such sequel could have been one way or the other, as most of the stories happens to be written in the same era without a date attached to it". I tried to comment it out, but another editor started to revert war and added another sentence that I can't parse. I seek your opinion, mediation, and/or advice how to proceed in this case. --Ghirla^-трёп- 17:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion. This latest edit makes me conclude that the only way to proceed is to file WP:RFC concerning Eiorgiomugini's behaviour. The guy is terribly possessive in that he restores his every edit, no matter how you try to process it. This attitude effectively blocks the articles on the Gokturks and Xiongnu from any reasonable editing or improvement. I will probably pen a RfC tonight. Let other wikipedians judge what measures should be taken in this case. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

That's probably wise. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Which articles are we talking about? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The problem currently revolves around Ashina and Tarim mummies. But it is much wider than that. I think the guy reverted almost every edit I made to Gokturk-related articles today. Since I plan to write more stuff about that part of the world, I don't see how it may be practicable if this pattern of behaviour continues. His current revert-warring does nothing to encourage me (or anyone else) to keep editing those articles. P.S. Check Eiorgiomugini's block log. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your efforts. You may also want to check the ongoing discussion on Dbachmann's talk page. It concerns the best way to spell the word "khagan". --Ghirla^-трёп- 06:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Would you certify Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Eiorgiomugini? --Ghirla^-трёп- 13:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks, not going to participate in this user's forum-shopping. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

possible copyright issue

Image:Jewish Encyclopedia Arnon Gorge.jpg has a "© JewishEncyclopedia.com" on the bottom of it. Has this been addressed aforn? Tomer^talk 23:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

As you can see, a trollish tag has been added to the image here. Unsurprising. Tomer^talk 05:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Charge of "trollish" based on this edit, in which the notorious editor in question, instead of crying "copyvio!" is moving the image to the wmedia commons. Sheesh. Shallower'n a flood. Tomer^talk 05:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Charge of "Unsurprising" based on a history of unbridled antisemitic trolling. Tomer^talk 05:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Tong Yabghu

Ok, I will take a look. By the way, check WP:AN3 for some recent updates on Eiorgiomugini. He keeps revert warring even there. --Ghirla^-трёп- 15:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Tashtyk

I was prevented from editing the article by my accidental discovery of your old entry about Tashtyk culture. It is a fascinating topic, though very obscure. --Ghirla^-трёп- 18:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe the masks were discovered in the 1960s. I have noticed that our friend Eiorgiomugini is especially fascinated with the blue-eyed and fair-haired Dinglings: he removed from the article every mention of their Europoidness and conflated them with Gokturks, carefully recounting early Turkish history in the article. I was so carried away with it that started template:Siberian Europoids. I wonder how he will react to this. --Ghirla^-трёп- 20:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Your revert

I was wondering if you could clarify your revert [1] here [2]. --Aminz 08:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Sargon of Akkad

Just one minor thing for GA status. It needs an infobox like this one Template:Infobox Monarch. It goes at the top of the article just where the first pic is. For an example see the Cyrus the Great or the Hammurabi articles. Also, the infobox you have put in the fiction section should not go there but at the very bottom of the article. --Victor12 04:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, congrats! :) Thanks so much for your hard work. Chaldean 21:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Misspelling

Shalom, Brian,

On the image you created of the world in 323 B.C.E (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/World_323_BCE.png), there is a typo. In southwestern Canada, just above Washington state, there is a patch of land labeled "Plateau fishers and huter-gatherers"; it should be "Plateau fishers and hunter-gatherers". Just thought you should know - keep up the great contributions! --MosheA 02:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks... I will have to get around to that. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Just wanted to let you know that I opened an RfC on myself in response to the concerns raised during my RfA over my actions in the Gary Weiss dispute. The RfC is located here and I welcome any comments or questions you may have. CLA 04:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK

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		Awarded to Brian for superlative work on historical articles. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

On June 4, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tong Yabghu, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Third Perso-Turkic War

As you have seen, I started this page which contains some additional material about Tong Yabghu and Buri-sad. It is late here in Russia, so I have to postpone referencing until tomorrow. It'd be great if you check my English for grammar. You are welcome to import appropriate chunks of text to Tong Yabghu if you think they may be helpful. I will probably add some new details about these guys later this week. --Ghirla^-трёп- 21:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I was puzzled why you didn't fix those edits. Now I see. Fresh from his four-day block, the guy made a bunch of provocative edits[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. His persistent removal of referenced links to work by the preeminent archaeologist in the field cannot be justified by fuzzy appellations to WP:FRINGE. After he moved Syr-Tardush to the Chinese name, I'm seething with rage and thinking of what can be done to keep him at bay. --Ghirla^-трёп- 14:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Try to search the Vajda book for "Dinglings". Page 159 alludes to a 1961 Russian paper "Chinese Reports on the Peoples of Southern Siberia" with "translations of Chinese documents referring to the northern tribes, including references to the Dinglings, possible ancestors of the Kets". --Ghirla^-трёп- 11:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, Gumilev calls this conflict the "first world war", because it was the first war that involved every major state of Eurasia, from China to the Eastern Roman Empire. According to him, the Sassanids closed the Silk Route, and that alarmed both China and Byzantium which engineered this conflict. --Ghirla^-трёп- 22:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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Map

What a pity that we don't have a map of the Gokturk empire and their military expeditions. On the other hand, nobody knows the true extent of their state. --Ghirla^-трёп- 22:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

help

I need help. I want to create an article for elementary school but for some weird reason they won't let me. (MrsMacMan 19:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

Your Contributions to Wikipedia

I saw some of your numerous edits. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Thanks for your kind words. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 04:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Lem vs Ulam in the Orion's Arm Entry

You have reverted my fix from Lem to Ulam back to Lem as someone who proposed a "technological singularity". I wonder what your motivation was, especially in view of the wikipedia article on Stan Ulam where one finds:

In May 1958, while referring to a conversation with von Neumann, Ulam said what would later become a foundation of the technological singularity theory: "One conversation centered on the ever accelerating progress of technology and changes in the mode of human life, which gives the appearance of approaching some essential singularity in the history of the race beyond which human affairs, as we know them, could not continue."

Toda,

RZ