Talk:Emmy Rossum

Whistle register

I added Emmy Rossum as a whistle register for singing "Phantom of the Opera" in Phantom of the Opera. In the song she sings a Eb6 and I believe it's high enough. The only difference from the Sarah Brightman version is Sarah hits E6 instead of Eb6. If you would either put her back on the list of singers or tell me what is required that would be great. 67.181.94.96 18:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

That's definitely not the whistle register. She's using head voice to get up there, and honestly, it sounds like she's pushing too hard. 69.160.116.44 16:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Well of what i know any note above E6 can be considered it. Alot of singers can make it sound like the whistle register and so by the tone they determine what it is. There are a couple of singers considered whistle register singers who only sang up to Eb6 in head because its just a half step higher.

IMDB info

Do you have a source for the info you just added, asides from the IMDB or websites that copy it? Because the IMDB has plenty of similar little trivia bits that are not even close to correct, and is not usually considered a reliable first-hand source. Vulturell 07:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Emmy a bully ...

Not POV. Emmy was a bully at high school, and many of her peers were glad she left? I don't see this as opinion, as it's pretty common knowledge in the pre-Ivy circuit.

As far as I'm concerned, that will need a source. If it's common fact then producing good sources will be trivial. Cburnett 13:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

How about myself as a secondhand source, and a handful of other firsthand sources? Or someone who attempted suicide over Ms. Rossums kind gestures, iIf you desperately need to get personal? I'll direct you to the emmy_sucks livejournal: http://community.livejournal.com/emmy_sucks/profile. It's biased, of course, but that doesn't mean it's not true ...

That's not at all a reliable source. Sorry. Look, it may be true that Ms. Rossum is/was a bully but we're going to need a reliable source in order for that to make it into the article. After all, I could easily start a livejournal community called 'people_who_say_emmy_sucks_are_liers'. It wouldn't make it certain. --Yamla 16:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Yamla, but thanks for the link anyway... I find it rather interesting that there are apparently so many young girls with such an interest in opera. I had feared that opera did not have any following in the upcoming generation. It's a relief to learn I was wrong.

As for Rossum, I have (just barely) a good enough ear to detect the flaws in her voice mentioned by the posters on that forum... but as Yamla pointed out, we can't accept a blog or personal website as a source for any claims made. If you can find a reliable third-party source of note - such as a respected journal or newsletter that deals with operatic vocal work, or perhaps a noted opera critic - who shares that group's disdain for Rossum's voice, then you might be able to add it. Best wishes, Kasreyn 09:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I did't refer you to the title of the livejournal, but the content. If you look at especially the first few entries, it's very clearly a group formed by those who know the girl, and many of the opinions are those of people in her social circle. Did you seriously believe that I would use the mere name of a group as a bonafide source, or was that remark an attempt at being cute?

No. The problem is that the information is not verifiable. Sorry. --Yamla 03:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Only two people in that community actually went to school with her, the ones that started it. I doubt the credibility of their claims. Emmy has enemies just like any other girl. Her "bullying" them was probably just in response to them being mean to her or whatever. Or, they could just be singers as well, and jealous of the publicity she gets. But that community has completely moved away from exposing her "true manner". They are now dedicated to trashing and bashing her for mostly untrue and frivolous reasons, so the source is not reliable anymore.

"Hard to Work With," then

I'll check here first since you're all so adamant -- if I edit this article to say that she is notoriously hard to work with, and then provide you with a URL to a radio interview with one of her co-stars which says that she's hard to work with, is that a verifiable source? --UnderPressure 05:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

It would be reasonable to state that some claim she is hard to work with, and then citing that with a reliable URL (better still if the URL lets you listen to the claim itself). Note that this is a different and lesser claim than that she is notoriously hard to work with, though. To make the larger claim, you are going to need more than just one radio interview. Look, I believe you are probably right. I have no great love of Ms. Rossum. But we do have to be sure we are only citing reliable information. --Yamla 04:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm copy pasting a letter here from one of Emmy's classmates. This is from that livejournal community--run by people who know her, if you didn't check--and double posted to IMDB. I wonder what kind of "reliable" source you need -- there's double and triple confirmation on may of the posts from the LJ community from people who know/knew her. Besides which, almost any media article will be spun in order to paint her in the most positive light, so it's not likely that this information will be shouted to the heavens, you know?

Hello all,

As a Spence graduate and member of the class of 2004 (Emmy's class), I would like to clear up some things. Emmy is an extremely talented actress and singer. I have always admired her for that. I met Emmy when she was 5 years old and have stayed in touch with her somewhat up until about a year ago. I was a Spence student for 13 years and know very well what Spence girls are like and what it means to be one.

I am not extremely rich, and have always been one of the less well-off in my class. Spence girls are NOT cruel, mean, or bitchy. Yes, on occasion, you will find a bitch at Spence, but this is true at not only all New York private schools, but at all schools and establishments in the world. Spence girls are intelligent and as a whole, a very caring group of girls.

I was a friend of that physically disabled girl in my class, and I think if you called her up today, she would say that she never had a great interaction with Emmy. I don't remember them to be very close friends, and knowing Emmy's nature, cannot imagine her to have been very friendly to her.

While I admire Emmy as a professional, she was an extremely pompous and unfortunate girl to spend time with. Years before she achieved fame, she had the ego of an Academy Award winner. While I'm sure Emmy is a smart girl, I sometimes find it hard to believe the things she says in interviews. In one, she stated that she was 2nd in her class at Spence. At Spence, the girls are NEVER ranked, not even in 12th grade, let alone 5th, Emmy's last year at the school. Also, even if we were ranked, we did not receive letter grades until 7th grade. This would make it literally impossible to classify Emmy as 2nd in the class. Also, as I said before, Emmy's last year at Spence was 5th grade. I can guarentee you that there were no 5th graders walking around caring about their Gucci bags. It's possible that now the 5th graders at Spence do, but Spence has changed a lot since I was in 5th grade.

In regards to her statement about Spence girls calling her up for lunch, I can honestly state that no one I know from Spence who knew Emmy would call her to make a lunch date. She is so unpleasant to be around that no one would want to. I have heard of a girl from my class who left Spence after 8th grade who may have called her. This girl is not still friends with Spence girls. As for people questioning her behavior recently and how it may have changed from when she was a young girl, I have come into contact with her in recent years and it seems that she has not changed in the least.

I am not trying to be cruel in this letter. I just want to clear the name of Spence girls who are apparently receiving a bad reputation for doing absolutely nothing. I also want to express the truth to the best of my knowledge about Emmy's "diva" tendencies.

I believe Emmy deserves all the acclaim she is receiving. In life, we are not rewarded for being nice people. We are rewarded for our talents. Emmy is talented and therefore deserves to be praised for these talents. Whether or not she is easy to work with or a kind person mean very little in the entertainment industry.

I hope this has cleared up confusion, though I'm sure I'll be hearing back with a multitude of responses because it seems that on this message board there is continual disagreement no matter what is said.

Thank you.

Hi there, thanks for your thoughts. Anyway, I have heard and read a lot (including from online message boards and blogs from those who purport to know Emmy personally, or have known her from school, etc.) about Emmy having a bad attitude and being difficult to work with. And while I appreciate hearing from those who seem to know Emmy (somewhat) personally and can attest this, I still do not believe this is relevant to the wiki entry unless we can find a verifiable source that can confirm this. Even if we can find a verifiable source (like a newspaper), we need to check who's writing the source and keep in mind that newspapers (and those who are quoted from such sources) could very well carry agendas of their own. A verifiable source is often not free from biases. Teknosoul02 13:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

>Okay, you people who are believing all of these awful things about her should take note of the fact that there are just as many positive things about her being said by other people who knew her. Here, I'll post one quote:

"There's this new girl in my government class, and I was assigned to be her partner today for a project, and you know, she's been here for a week or so now, and I was looking at her binder today (one of those clear pocket cover kinds) and there are two pics of her with Emmy. She's younger, though, and her hair's ultra-curly-like springs. I asked her if she met Emmy Rossum and she said she went to school with her. Some all girl's school. I really don't know if it's true b/c I don't know just a whole lot about Emmy Rossum-only that I like her in Passionada but she says they were friends at one time. She says Emmy is really sweet, but she has a bad habit about clinging to people. Okay, let me unjumble it.

Me: Wow. Have you met Emmy Rossum? *points to pic*

Janie: Yah, I went to school with for a little while

Me: Oh. I saw her in "Passionada"

Janie: Yah, she loves acting. She's a good actress, but everybody thinks that she's a snob. She's actually really sweet, but she has a bad habit of clinging to people. She's shy." Source: http://www.scan-tastic.net/emmy/viewtopic.php?t=3799

There are many more, but I won't waste space posting them as this one says all that needs to be said.

So what's the verdict? Either the Emmy-haters are lying, the Emmy-fans are lying, or no one's lying and her personality is perceived subjectively. Personally, I think I'll stick with the third. I suggest you all do the same.<

Whats the point here? None of this has any encyclopaedic value for the article! --soum^সৌমোyasch 13:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

wallpaper

Hi

I found a site with some Emmy wallpaper, can i link to it?

No, see WP:EL. --Yamla 15:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Yamla

I had a look at the WP:EL, but sorry I still dont understand why the link is not allowed.

J

Well, first, the site violates copyright. Second, it is a fan site. Third, it does not provide a unique resource. I could go on but I'm sure you get my point. Wallpaper sites are not appropriate for Wikipedia. --Yamla 16:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, First I could maybe understand on the copyright, but wiki have millions of images that break copyright in that case.. Second, there are loads of fans sites listed on Wiki. Third, IMDB does not provide a unique resource either and the get a list in Wiki. I now accept that Wiki do not want wallpaper sites listed and will not post one again.

--Bigblog 16:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

All instances of copyright violation should be reported and resolved. Wikipedia strives to use free images or at least, use copyrighted images under the terms of fair use. The consensus of Wikipedia is that imdb does provide a unique and valuable resource, though you are free to disagree. --Yamla 16:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Parents??

Can we please find out what her parents names are? The whole first bio paragraph is sloppy without the names

I tried (search for ""Emmy Rossum" father mother" on Google), but nothing comes up. Looks like that info is of yet unavailable Mad Jack 08:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

irresistible vanity?

I wonder how many wiki-generation somebodys actively check and/or edit their entries. Wikipedia seems to be the drug of choice for bored curious digerati under 25, I suspect (especially with all the misinformation about stars personal lives), there is a strong possibility movie stars like Ms. Rossum just can't help but throw in a little personal fact here and there. - Just a thought.

I was under the impression I had tickets to Heinz Hall tonight but unfortunately I misread the date, ergo I'm bored... I think I'll go drown my boredom in Vodka, tschus.

Children's Chorus

I think it's extremely important to note that while at the Met, Emmy sang with MANY children at the time, and there the basic criteria for getting in is carrying a tune. According to the MOCC website, http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/auditions/childrens_chorus.aspx, auditions are held at "3:45 PM each Thursday during the season," which means they are constantly recruiting a large number of children.

All children are asked to sing happy birthday, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/21/60II/main662251.shtml, "Each season, [Elena Doria] has between 80 and 90 students, ranging in age from just 3 to 14, with little or no musical training." The article goes on to describe that Ms. Doria, the woman in charge of the CC, often uses "tricks" to get the children to sound right.

She was not extensively "trained" to be an opera singer, but to fulfill the necessary singing required of a certain performance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by UnderPressure (talk • contribs) 02:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

Picture

I think the article would be better with a picture, but I'm a n00b and don't know how to properly add one following all of the copyright rules. Could someone please do it? Ichi-chan 01:04, 9 January 2007

• I agree, a picture would be most helpful. Wikipediarules2221 01:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Her next role will be Jacqueline Kennedy?

Due to her hairstyle and color (as evidenced in the recent pictures of Emmy Rossum), she might be considered to play her future role as Jacqueline Kennedy in one of the future films. --Bryan Seecrets 08:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Poseidon is her final role ever?

I have stated many times earlier that she has no future film and television roles after Poseidon, in which she played Jennifer Ramsey. I can say that Poseidon is her final role because she wants to pursue her singing career more than acting. So therefore, Emmy Rossum is the first actress to retire in a younger age? Will Emmy be playing the female characters which have the first name Jacqueline? Can I discuss the changes to this article relating to the statements above? --Bryan Seecrets 05:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia does not permit original research. See WP:NOR. You must provide a reliable source to cite your claim. See WP:V, WP:CITE, WP:RS. --Yamla 14:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Or, can I put "she has reportedly put her acting career aside in favor of pursuing more on her singing career" after Poseidon? --Bryan Seecrets 17:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)