Talk:Avenger (Fate/hollow ataraxia)

A very important reminder=

Okay, this is the second time I’ve had to do this. Avenger doesn’t have official stats and Void Avesta does not have official rank. Whatever User:Yin lin came up with wasn't removed because of vandalism, it was removed because IT DOES NOT EXIST. --Ephyon 01:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Avenger is FSN Angra Mainyu or not?

Okay, I have a big question that could probably be answered easily. Is Avenger the one who tainted the Holy Grail, or is Avenger just another servant. It says that Avenger isn't the evil spirit of Angra Mainyu... but it's too much of a coincidence that he participated in the third Holy Grail war and that war is the war where "Angra Mainyu" tainted the holy grail... Are these two entities the same person or different? Mirioki 23:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

He is the one in the Grail, but he is not Angra Mainyu because that spirit has never appeared in the story. The real screw up happened while Avenger was alive: He was a common guy who got sacrificed by people who believed he was Angra Mainyu, which resulted in one helluva pissed off Heroic Spirit. He's basically a bitter resentful dark soul, but not truly evil deep inside. The problem is, he's the only one who knows he's a fake, history and everyone else thinks he is the real thing. During Heaven's Feel, if the ritual had succeeded, he might have become a spirit powerful enough to be compared with Angra Mainyu, but the true God of Darkness has never appeared in the games' universe. Ephyon 23:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Noble Phantasms

Yes, his knives are Noble Phantasms. Any weapon carried or used by a Servant counts as a Noble Phantasm, even if it does not unleash a giant blast a-la-Excalibur. If this were not the case, then Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon would not be a Noble Phantasm, and neither would any of the weapons that come out of it. While some Servants have weapons that do not have a name (and therefore are not Noble Phantasms, such as Rider's spikes/nails), those that are important enough to have a name are Noble Phantasms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drium (talk • contribs)

That’s… nowhere near correct. NP’s are named known mysteries associated with the eirei, which is precisely what sets them apart from regular conceptual weapons, mystic codes and summons. Yes, it’s possible for the eirei to carry objects that aren’t NPs, such as Rider’s nail and chain, Berserker’s club, clothing, etc. If you’ve read the definition in actual source materials and the game itself, the basic prequisite for something to be an NP is to have a “true name” which invokes its real powers.

I repeat so it’s clear: Invocation of true name = Effect. Basically, just knowing that Arthur’s armor is called Wigar doesn’t make it an NP. Hell, the description of the knives goes out of the way to make clear that they aren't NPs. --Ephyon 01:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Stats and Skills

These look about right, but someone should try and obtain a status-screen screenshot of either the books or the game itself to confirm Avenger's statistics. A description of what his skills do (Bloodlust, Hate, etc) would be appreciated, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drium (talk • contribs)

There’s no status screen to screenshot, because there are no statuses in the first place, it’s all made up. --Ephyon 01:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Image

There's a problem here. The only clear picture I could find is this one. Does anyone have anything better? Ephyon 11:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)