Talk:Mindless Self Indulgence

discography section

so there's that neat little box down there with all of msi's major albums and eps and pics of the covers, only i noticed that DLN isn't in there, then i noticed that the info on there goes "1.ms-i 2.tight 3.FGWSSS 4.AoA *** 6.YRTA 7.amro" where's 5(DLN)? looks as if someone deleted it. so i just added it back where it belongs, but it's not shwoing up. if you try to edit that section you'll see that it's there and has all the right formatting or whatever just like the other releases, but it isn't showing up on the page. what up with that? somebody needs to fix this.68.252.94.153 16:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing and the history section

Is there any particular reason that all the edit buttons from "history" onwards have been redirected so as to refer to the section after the one it should, thus rendering the "history" section uneditable? (i.e., the edit button besides "history" redirects to editting "future", "future" goes to "members", etc.)

If not, could this be fixed? 76.10.151.209 21:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The Download Festival in 2005

Removed "The Download Festival in 2005" I was there and they never played, double checked the website just to be sure. Vendemmian 19:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

WHAT...THE...FUCK...

I am TRYING to upload a more recent pic of the band but somebody keeps changing it... That is nowhere NEAR current, taken even before YRTA was released. I am nearly 100% sure that the purpose is to have current information. So STOP changing it...

As I said in the edit, more recent pictures do not mean a better one. The older one shows all memebers clearly. The article is about the entire group not just Jimmy and a couple of "fuzzy" bandmates. Since their have been absolutely no changes in the line-up, nor any significant appearence changes since the two photos. Basically, the older one is the better one to use becuase it showcases the entire band. Smoltz 10:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

okay so why is [image.jpg] not appropriate? clearly shows ALL members and it is a current picture. Msipiggy 11:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Had that been the picture in question, when I editted it, I would have been in favor it it. The picture I removed was one of Jimmy w/ Chauncey and the bandmates in the background. Smoltz 22:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The image used right now does not have a reliable tag on it, and is about to be deleted. --Liface 22:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Discography section cleanup

I think we need to clean up the discography section. For albums that do not have their own stub article, they need one.

Since the track lists are listed in the album stub articles, it seems redundant and messy to re-list them on the MSI main page. We should probably just list the albums with links to their stub articles as well as the year in which they were produced and any other major details that can fit on one line such as the year of release.

Thoughts on this?

Grandeandy 03:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Kudos to whoever cleaned this up. It looks great!

Grandeandy 20:40, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

FGWSSS Warning

Should this not be on the page for the album itself instead of the bands page?

Devilmaycare 17:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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Normally I would say liner notes on an album should be on the album page, but this is a general statement about who they are and probably should remain here.

--Graveenib 20:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, there is one of these on You'll Rebell and is listed under the album page. Perhaps the band article could mention they like to put these kinds of statements and link or cite the album page. Graveenib 23:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I moved the warning to the page and put a summary with a link to each album's warning message Graveenib 00:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

gay community

to be quite honest the gay community on average probably has no clue who mindless self indulgence is. i really do not understand why that is mentioned here.

Where is "gay community" mentioned in the article? If you're referring to the mention of gay lyrics, then it makes sense that it's mentioned, as you find very little punk rock bands that sing about such a topic. It's one of the traits that makes MSI unique. Saaga July 4, 2005 17:22 (UTC)

- "However, their sound is far from being stereotypically gay, and their appeal is not limited to the gay community."

UH WRONG LOL GAYEST FUCKING MUSIC EVER

- This doesn't make much sense considering that they never appealed to only the gay community or anyone in general. This is what the original page said about half a year ago. The thing is though is that placing the band as gay community icons as this quip paints them isn't really the truth. they took that whole kind of girly gimic from the new york dolls, not the gay community. -bozu

Is he really gay or not? A lot of what he does is usually to shock or anger the audience, I wonder if he is gay, bi or straight. In North America it easily makes many people uncomfortable. Well, whatever sexuality he really is he has no shame at all... Which is great

He may or may not be gay but the lyrics openly say gay and bisexual things. I think the consenses amoung the fan base is that James Euringer is bisexual, commonly kissing fans of both sexes. Beeing a huge fan myself am not sure. I would not be shocked either way. As for appealing to the gay bisexual audience, the lyrics are funny to an open minded audience, although most fans are probably ignorant of everything. The music will be more likely to appeal to someone who finds nothing wrong with homosexuality.

Why do you care? Are you considering hitting on him?

What the hell is a steriotypically gay sound?

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this right above, was exactly my thought. wtf does that mean? and if james urine heard it what the fuck would he think? he'd probably say "that is just silly." - bozu

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I'm gay and I find the lyrics hilarious.
-Anonymous :P

His name is JIMMY urine (For short), so, to go by my theory, don't post about a band if you don't even know their names!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.114.89 (talk) 00:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Devo?

Could someone please explain to me why Devo's here? Thanks! — Xoder | Talk 18:12, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

My thought, too. I've removed it upon adding to and copyediting the article. -- Saaga 15:06, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)

Im gay also and I love MSI and their lyrics about being "gay" or anything...Their MSI.. and thei Unique and different...

Left-Rights

My understanding of the Left-Rights is that it is a band consisting of the two male members of MSI, Little Jimmy Urine and Steve, Righ?.

My understanding about the Left Rights is that, although they are the same people as MSI, they are a different band, so I will add appropriate disclaimers — Xoder|✆ 23:14, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)

     the left rights is technically an album

Maybe something should be added about how the lead singer recognizes that his music is a somewhat of a joke (See lyrics to joke and many other songs) and its his non serious approach to music that makes him notable.

Specifically the song "2 Hookers and 8-ball" which goes '2 hookers and an 8-ball, can you believe that I write this shit? 2 hookers and an 8-ball, stupid people thinking I am cool.

The Left Rights is a band by Jimmy Urine and Steve Righ? www.myspace.com/theleftrights, its also Mindless Self Indulgence's Debut Album81.76.114.89 12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

um.. what? left rights is MSI's debut album? lol put down the crack pipe dude.68.252.94.153 16:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

f--ed up

why are we bleeping fucked up? we say nigger and faggot in the article and bleep fucked up? Theres an entire article on fuck. When did wikipedia become squeamish? This is selective censorship, and only more proof why censorship on the whole is a self-defeating philosophy.

Lockeownzj00 01:56, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

mixing on atari

Don't see what's -so- unusual about this, up to the end of the 90s... was once pretty common to do your sequencing on an ST (built in midi ports, the birthplace of Cubase, home to many commercial plug-in pieces of sampler hardware, etc), perhaps one band member was a fan, got themselves a Falcon (the next one after the ST, with built in CD-quality DSP chip and direct hard disc recording) and put it to good use... PS this is how it should be done, motherfucker - this style.

Shut Me Up : The Remixes

Alright im a huge MSI fan and this is the first i have heard of this

Can someone give me proof that there is a Shut Me Up remix album ?

` Hit up their myspace page. their latest blog states this will be released this fall. Graveenib 23:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

http://www.mindlessselfindulgence.com/inside/

News item for 0/21/2006:

"This fall will see the release of the new Mindless Self Indulgence single "Shut Me Up: The Remixes + 3". The CD will feature 3 remixes of "Shut Me Up" as well as its demo version. In addition to this there will be 2 new remixes of fan favorite "Straight To Video" as well as the previously unreleased tracks "Adios Amigos" and MSI's cover of the Notorious B.I.G. classic "Big Poppa".

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01. SHUT ME UP - Ulrich Wild (Groandome Metal Remix) 02. SHUT ME UP - VNV Nation (1200XL Remix) 03. SHUT ME UP - Tommie Sunshine (TSMV Still Filthy Remix) 04. SHUT ME UP - Original Crappy Demo 05. BIG POPPA (Previously Unreleased) 06. ADIOS AMIGOS (Previously Unreleased) 07. STRAIGHT TO VIDEO (Bonus Remixes) - Suicide City (More and Faster Remix) 08. STRAIGHT TO VIDEO (Bonus Remixes) - Tommie Sunshine (TSMV Extended Electro Remix)"

Nintendocore

This doesn't seem to apply to MSI's musical style. This genre consists of bands along the lines of 14 Year Old Girls, 8 Bit Weapon and The Minibosses who focus on doing modern interpretations of old video game music. This is not Mindless Self Indulgence. This is the second time it has been reverted. Please, let's discuss.Graveenib 21:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right. --Liface 21:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. This only nintendocore thing just stems from samples, no actual covers. Smoltz 22:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Why should you label them at all. They are about controversy and their genre should match. I do agree with the fact that nintendocore doesn't really match them.-- User:Blackout45 1:00 Sept. 18 2006

Tagged

I guess this bands notability is primarily based on who they opened for. That's fine, but someone please cite it. Thanks. House of Scandal 04:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• This should not be speedy tagged, thus I removed the tag. They have an allmusic.com entry, which indicates that at least one of their records is on a real label, if not more, thus they probably meet WP:MUSIC. If you think the article should be deleted, it at least needs to go through WP:AFD. Herostratus 04:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Did the person who added the speedy deletion tag even try googling their name? --Liface 08:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Footnotes

The footnotes are improperly formatted as simply URLs, rather than giving the name of the periodical being cited, and the title, date, and author of the article. This is needed to illustrate whether the sources are authoritative, credible and disinterested.--Tenebrae 12:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

this article is seriously vandalized

"Another significant influence to the band is early 1980s satanic culture" lol gg wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.1.30.233 (talk) 17:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Hmm..

I think many people here are seriously biased. I, myself, am a fan of MSI and similar artists having seen them in concert with Kill Hannah. But I swear, you people are messed up. Why not just respect MSI for the shit they put right in front of you. At least they're point fucking blank and in your face.

Msi saved me 16:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Boomer

LGBT Musical Group

I added them to this category, because of their obvious homosexual lyrical content of some songs, aaand..being gay myself, it's kind of cool to have a kick ass band such as MSI in that category. Also, I think everyone knows that Urine is bi..so..yeah. Felt it was appropriate to add them to that category, mostly due to their lyrics. Here's the website that some people use for his bisexuality, http://suicidegirls.com/interviews/Mindless+Self+Indulgence/ where they ask what type of girls he likes, he talks about being attracted to basically everyone. Oreo 25 March 2007

I read the interview and couldn't find anything to support Euringer's bisexuality. Could you please point out where exactly in the article he makes his sexuality known, so it can be added to the page's citations? From what I understand, his sexuality has been an issue both on the band's article and his own, and appropriate referencing outside of lyrics, which don't necessarily reflect the artist or composer's actual views, and the one-dollar makeout stunt at shows hasn't been provided. ZachPG 16:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

DRE: What kind of women are you attracted to? JU: Just about anything at this point. I have a dick and it gets hard then that's good. I walk down the street and if I see a girl and my dick gets hard that's and if I see a boy that's good too and same with seeing a chicken. If my dick gets hard and I want to fuck it then that's good. People like to attach labels to themselves, straight, gay, S &M, it's just so simple. It doesn't matter what you do whether its horrible or mainstream or boring, you know what turns you on. So why the big brouhaha.

He says he's basically attracted to everything/one. "If I see a boy that's good too" implies that..I would say, I mean..it's not saying "I'm bisexual", but a person doesn't need to say those exact words. If someone kept a journal about being in love/lust with another guy, just because he doesn't address his bisexuality it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..if you get what I mean. Oreo

This is better than nothing, but IMHO, any mention of his sexual orientation in either the band's article or his own should be carefully worded to express basically what you said above, that statements were made and the evidence is there, but it's not express, it's implied. Unfortunately, I'm a newb and have no clue how to properly word something like that. Ideas? ZachPG 15:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a combination of pansexuality (being potentially attracted to everyone - not just male and female but tran, hermaphrodite, XXY-male, XYY-male, XXX-female, etc) and omniparaphilia (being turned on by... everything). It would definitely be a good idea to drop the pansexuality link in there in my opinion. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 16:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yea or maybe he was fucking with the interviewer. DUHHHHH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.113.153 (talk • contribs)

Vandalism and spam links

There's been a lot of vandalism of late and i wondered about requesting semi-protection for the article? Also there appear to be a number of (i think) spam links in the external links section, e.g. ones to various fansites. Are these spam and should they be removed? Jamamala 22:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

somebody removed the word "pussy"

Somebody removed the word "pussy" from the description "industrial jungle pussy punk." Some sort of reason behind this? I've put it back.. Wikipedia is not the place to be shy about words when it's a direct quote from the band.

Not hip-hop.

MSI are NOT hip-hop in any way, shape or form. Jimmy might do quick vocals sometimes, but that doesn't mean they're hip-hop. Proposal to remove the word hip-hop from the description of their music. BlackSlivers 01:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Frankenstein Girls Will Seem Strangley Sexy is an album heavily influenced by both rap and hip hop. Now You'll rebel to Anything is significantly less influenced by these genres. The newest Mindless Rip Off has some more hip hop in it.

Bring the Pain is a cover of Method Man's first single. In FGWSSS there is alot of influence from 90's hip hop.-Psychoxpanda

MSI also remixed Notorious B.I.G.'s "Big Poppa." Pretty much undisputable that there's a good deal of hip-hop influence. ZachPG 21:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

MSI is definately influenced by Hip Hop, but I wouldn't categorize them as such. Perhaps a rewording is called for? I have changed the article from: Their music is a blend of metal, electronica, punk, and hip-hop. to instead read: Their music is a blend of metal and electronica with a heavy punk and hip-hop influence. Gravee 03:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to argue semantics, but it seems to me that it would be more appropriate to say they are a blend of punk and electronica with heavy metal and hip-hop influence, or, to avoid confusion, heavy hip-hop and metal influence. ZachPG 22:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we should review what it says now, because, what the hell is "heavy punk" supposed to be? :And even if there is such a thing, is Mindless Self Indulgence really part of that genre? Proposal to review what it says... again. Psycho Panda 14:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this was your point behind the above post, but it's not saying the band is influenced by "Heavy Punk" and "Hip-Hop", it's saying that the influence from Punk and Hip-Hop is a heavy one. I propose a change reading: "Their music is a blend of rock and electronica, also pulling heavy influences from punk and hip-hop music. This is often referred to as acid punk." Kurayami Eternal 17:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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History/Biography

Both sections contain a lot redundant information. Could someone clean it up? I will do it myself when I have some free time at my hands. --Autoplombe 22:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

reversion to past article

could we please, please PLEASE revert back to this revision? the article has really gone to shit since then. fjak 09:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

biased

this article is clearly biased. example: "They also use clever lyrics and stance to give meaning to songs, such as "You'll rebel to anything," which is a song that talks about how punk culture is being exploited by misdirected youths as a way to be unique or get noticed."

Someone needs to change this.

Do you mean the arictle is POV? If you think so, feel free to make what changes you feel are necessary. ZachPG 20:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism not fixed

I reverted to this version on 4 July as old vandalism was not repaired properly (the bottom of the article got cut off). Can the regular editors restore any useful edits made in the interim period? Thanks. Carcharoth 12:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use criteria

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Concert setting

Actually, the first day of Voodoo Fest in 2003 was in Memphis; the second day was in New Orleans. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.142.221 (talk • contribs)

Guitar Hero 3

An edit made claims that Straight to Video will be on Guitar Hero 3. I don't belive it, and I demand some viable proof. [User:Keaton|Keaton] 11:21pm EST. 5 August 2007.

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