Talk:ITV Granada

Copied

This is so much like a TV website, Transdiffusion. Certain comments are identical.

Not really

I've checked and it's certainly not a direct copy of any Transdiffusion page. But then, Transdiffusion stuff is Creative Commons, so it wouldn't matter that much anyway. Perhaps any similarities are simply because this is a history piece on Granada - the facts are known, so any article listing them will resemble any other article listing them! Redvers 11:43, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Brand identity

Is the sentence "if any child in the UK is asked "Where is Granada?" they will probably point to the home of Coronation Street rather than Spain," really true any more? I wouldn't have thought so in these days of one single ITV entity. Angmering 00:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Probably not any more, the empire builders have managed to eradicate local identity out of most of the ITV regions, unfortunately. -- Arwel 02:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. I think I shall go ahead and remove the comment from the article. Angmering 11:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

1968

It's not made clear exactly what territory Granada lost in 1968. PMA 16:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Granada still exists

How long has this article been in past tense? Granada is still the official franchise holder for the North West. It still has productions under the Granada name, for other UK broadcasters (not ITV) and overseas. It more or less owns ITV as they made a reverse takeover of Carlton. It is the franchise holder for the North West, even though it is owned by ITV Plc, just like all the other franchises which are still liscensed under their old name. Marbles333 09:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposed change of Opening Paragraph

As I mentioned above, the opening paragraph makes it sound as if Granada no longer exists. Here is a suggestion I have come up with:

Granada Television is the British ITV (commercial television) contractor for the "Northwest England", 7 days a week, and has been since 1968. Previously it held the "North of England" weekday franchise from 1954 (broadcasting began on May 3, 1956) until 1968. Granada was the only one of the original four ITA franchisees from 1954 which survived as a franchise holder into the twenty-first century, until the merger of its parent company, Granada plc in 2004 into ITV plc (however Granada legally still exists). It had a strong reputation (along with Thames Television) of providing public-service programmes for ITV mixing drama, comedy and current affairs.

Marbles333 10:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Slogans

I'm going to take out the "Slogans used" section, as the examples given weren't slogans, they were just the ITA/IBA mandated station announcements at the start and end of transmission. -- Arwel (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Improving perspective about the region in the early years

Would it be worth adding, to gain a full perspective about the region from '56 to '68, where it is mentioned that Granada provided service weekdays, to state that ABC TV located in Didsbury provided the weekend service, and that they, when their franchise ended in '68, moved to London to start the franchise known as Thames Television? Unhban 22:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Unhban

Logo

Ahoy fellow pedants! Its two appearances in the article are claimed to date from the 1970s. This must be wrong, since it would then have included something like "Colour Production" at the bottom. Philip Cross 22:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

No, that would just be the end caption. What we have here is the company logo. That said, it shouldn't appear here twice, once in the infobox is quite enough. -- Arwel (talk) 06:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted the image back to the earlier, 'real' version. Although it's not as clean, the mock-up looked a bit odd: the colours were too different, and the other elements just looked odd. The JPS^{talk to me} 09:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Shake-up of this article

Am I right in saying the following sections should belong in the article Granada Ltd.?

• G-Wizz
• GSkyB
• ITV Digital
• Rebranding and merger (parts of, since it was Granada Plc not Granada Television that merged with Carlton Comms)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would have thought those assets were more connected with the former Granada PLC company? /Marbles 18:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Why deny them separate articles? If they get absorbed into a parent article, there is bound to be pressure towards trimming for "conciseness", which is a habit of Wikipedia that annoys me rather. I'd rather see MORE detail than swift summaries. Hardylane 00:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The problem lies that this article is tagged for poor style and no references. We can't back up a lot of the claims in the article. Its common sense that a lot of the information presented is true, though original research states that such information cannot be included, and all big claims as such must be cited from a reliable source. The article is much longer than it needs to be, and parts of those sections listed above should form part of the other article Granada Ltd. (which was Granada's parent company 1956-2004 as Granada Plc). A similar problem also lies with the article London Weekend Television. Conciseness is a policy of Wikipedia and therefore should be applied on this article, which reads more like an essay than anything else. Well I'm not imposing that these changes be applied immediately, hence why I've asked the community because some elements of those sections do belong in Granada Television over Granada Ltd. Anyhow, its open to discussion, all comments appreciated. /Marbles 10:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Conciseness for its own sake can sacrifice information. Granada , one of the UK's most successful and trusted organisatiosns, was a victim of terrible mismanagement in the late 90's, and within five years was reduced to a shell of its former self. Many of the details about this collapse were added by myself, as a result of my direct contact with the situation. Therefore MY additions are the reliable source. I've seen nothing on that article that is not the truth.

This mismanagement is a fundanmental part of the company's history and background must be given to explain why a previously successful and quality company found its branches sold off, closed and shelved. Also, I'm getting just a bit fed up about how singular persons can tag something for "poor style", when this is surely a subjective judgement that needs to be open for a group discussion, as in here. Hardylane 12:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Granada

Companies House (http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/b1fb39872abe2a823dd86f54fb844ae0/compdetails) says Granada Television Ltd came into being in 1965 - wonder which part of Granada was the license holder between 1954-65? PMA 13:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Chelsea Palace

I am disapointed that the article said nothing about the series of superb hour-long light entertainment shows from Studio 10 called Chelsea at Nine. These live shows, produced during the 1950s, featured many top artistes including Maria Callas and Ella Fitzgerald. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.135.58 (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Granada-tv-70logo.PNG

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— Save_Us_229 21:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Granada doing productions for the BBC?

I just watched the BBC telefilm Ballet Shoes and was surprised to see the credit at the end that it was "A Granada Production for BBC Northern Ireland". That's like seeing CBS in the US airing a show produced for them by NBC. Does a new arrangement exist now? 68.146.41.232 (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC) $Insertformulahere$

It's just a commercial relationship, Granada being commissioned to produce a programme for the BBC. University Challenge has been "A Granada Production for the BBC" ever since it was first broadcast on the BBC. -- Arwel (talk) 19:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Local News

Granada closed its regional news center/studio at the Dock Traffic Office, Albert Dock at least three years ago. Now greatly downsized it has been relocated to the Liver Building. Likewise Granada TV closed its regional news centers in Chester and Blackburn in early 2005 leaving only newsrooms in Manchester, Liverpool and Lancaster. From 1984 until 1999 all news bulletins and nightly news programes were made at the Albert Dock, Liverpool, whereas features and regional opt-out programmes were made in Manchester. It was only in a cost-cutting exercise in 1999 that the head newsroom was relocated to Manchester thus downgrading Liverpool to a regional newsroom. Therefore it's hard to see, with Granda's main North West newsroom on Merseyside (pre '99), how it was showing regional bias toward Manchester (PS Mersey TV's made these assertions during the bidding process for the North West Broadcast licence in 1993).