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• Okay, I will might reply on your page or mine, usually depending on how long I think the conversation will be (no particular reason aside from that) so don't forget to check back if you don't hear from me (usually within a day or two at most).
• My timezone is Western European Time, that is UTC 0, even though Spain is on CET and is further west than I - never understand timezones..
• I am based in London and although I speak a little French but I doubt I'd understand unless you are asking how to get to the train station, what the Russian President's name is or if we should go to your place or mine. So English please (that's British English!).
• Please be polite, comments and criticisms welcome.

WP:CRO

Please see this. --Joy [shallot] 23:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

And this :) --Joy [shallot] 00:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, how do you define an active WikiProject, when the scope is as wide as anything relating to a whole country? :) There's certainly people working constantly to improve the relevant articles, but the project pages might not be particularly verbose about that.

In any event, there shouldn't be two separate projects for each matter, but only one, with the other redirecting to that one. I guess I'd have the original project take precedence, it makes sense. --Joy [shallot] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joy (talk • contribs) 22:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Photos

I hate to admit it but i haven't been inside the IPE 4 yet ! The fact is that i don't live in Strasbourg anymore (but i go there four-five times a year) and that i don't even have a camera anyway. You may want to ask people on allemannic Wikipedia to help us out, many of them are resident Strasbourgeois. Cheers, RCS 19:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Talking of pictures, i have been very active these days... RCS 16:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC) I reorganised other people's pictures, i am good at that ! Cheers, RCS 17:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Justice and home affairs

I called the heading Justice and home affairs, so it would cover both those parts which were moved into the EC and those bits which didn't. I also thought we could continue to cover the charter which I don't think falls under the Justice, Freedom and Security heading. Caveat lector 17:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The charter comes under the "Freedom" part. Hence the commissioner having that name (covering both areas) and them always talking about creating an areas of Justice freedom and security (in various word orders). That's why I called it JFS to begin with. Fair point on home affairs, but I thought that was also some areas outside that which we are talking about - I'll have to look that up though. - J Logan ^t: 17:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a very good point which I seem to have missed. To a good degree I was thinking of the rewrite I was working on. (now posted on the article) My idea was to write the article on a topic based approach, rather than trying to adhere to the EU's structure. Caveat lector 19:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

(sorry for slow reply) The new format looks good. I think on the topic based approch, JFS is kind of a topic in itself, and a useful one as right now we don't have the material to talk about each three seperatly on the main page. However do you think we could include in that section data on civil protection - I'm thinking about the idea of EU fire fighting forces and funds that has come up. - J Logan ^t: 14:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

"Justice, Freedom and Security" would be fine. Certaintly better than "Police and Justice". About exèpanding the section, in retrospect maybe I wrote too much. I'm not saying we shouldn't add info on civil defence but we should probably also think about scaling down what's already there. Caveat lector 20:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

On the JFS, I'll change the name then but on size, it doesn't have any subsections like the rest -which is why it was merged into various other sections over time- so if we add enough to give it sections I don't think it would be a problem. - J Logan ^t: 06:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Not sure about you removing the table of EU expansion, you're right it is covered in history but I think the table is useful as a quick reference on who joined when. Plus I am having viewing issues with it (tad too wide). But I am not saying it needs to be brought back as it was, I think we can look at a simpler and smaller way of presenting it. - J Logan ^t: 14:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

About removing the table, it just seemed that the article repeated the enlargement info 4 times. In the history section, in the member states section, in the table and in the image used to illustrate enlargement. Perhaps we could have some kind of table/image with javascript to show the respective enlargements. Just a thought. Caveat lector 20:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree it shouldn't be repeated in both sections, and you were right to remove the text, however I think a table helps illustrate it and is something we ought to have, possibly in the history. Granted I am not quite sure how to work this, and the two maps together illustrate most of it unless you want to get into detail in which case you can go to the main article for it. I'll copy this to the EU page incase anyone else has a thought on it.- J Logan ^t: 06:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

European Commission

Just to say congrats for getting the European Commission article to FA quality. It will be nice when all important EU articles are GA or FA.

You get to put the FA star on the top of the article =) Rossenglish 11:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! - J Logan ^t: 08:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Capital city

I wondered what your thinking was on the issue of Brussels as the Union's 'Administrative centre' or 'Administrative capital'? I really think it has to be changed from 'Commission seat'. I realise that the former two are still not entirely adequate (I think we should just call Brussels the EU capital and be done with it, but this is clearly unpopular), but I think they are much better than the latter. As it stands, it is like calling London the 'Civil service seat', or 'Seat of 10 Downing Street', and so on. It's certainly not inaccurate, but fails to mention the comprehensive importance of the city. I think Brussels has sufficient weight to be called at the very least the EU's 'Administrative centre'... Imperium Europeum 14:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it is inadequate, but administrative is also inadequate as there is far more than administration. If it is to be changed to something else, it ought to reflect the political reality also. - J Logan ^t:

109.3%?!

Hi there! I really like the table you did on the "Historical percentage results in union-wide elections of the three major groups by region" on Elections_in_the_European_Union, but there are two problems with it as follows:

• In this diff, you filled out some figures. Unfortunately, the figures you filled out for the Western region for 1979 were 47.5, 14.3 and 47.5%. Those figures total to 109.3%, so something is wrong. I assume one of the 47.5%'s is a typo. Could you fix these figures please?
• In this diff you gave the source of those figures as http://elections.online.fr/, which now redirects to http://www.europe-politique.eu/. I've had a look thru that website and can't find the figures you gave anywhere. I assume you didn't make them up, so I assume you got them from a particular page or set of pages. Could you tell me where those pages are please? I'd really like to use those figures but if they're unsourced, I can't.

Thank you for your time, regards, Anameofmyveryown 23:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, they've just changed the website address now. I'll get onto that and also try to correct the figures (I was doing a lot of adding etc - I'll try running it through Excel this time. I'll tell you when I have it sorted. - J Logan ^t: 07:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've sorted out the figures (way more errors than I thought), provided workings and put a more direct link. Hope that helps, if not say and I'll see what I can do. - J Logan ^t: 19:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, that was very helpful. Anameofmyveryown 04:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Ted Jolliffe

Hi. Thank you for looking over the Ted Jolliffe article. I'll try to make the changes you requested shortly. --Abebenjoe 02:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I was wanting to know how progress is going with this article and to find out why it's not been placed on hold. It has appeared on the GAC report as an "under review" older than 7 days. If the review has been conducted and issues are being addressed, please place the nomination on hold. Best regards, LaraLove 15:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

My appoligies, I have been slightly delayed in sorting it out. Am on it now. - J Logan ^t: 16:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding my sub-article: EU as emerging superpower...

EU as an emerging superpower along with India, and China where articles a long time ago. They all got deleted on their third deletion attempt . Me and a couple of other users saved the articles as sub-pages in hopes of making the sub-articles articles again, as this is also in my to-do list. Since the deletion, I have not tired to make these superb articles articles again. So that's that. If you want to make them articles, just leave me a message on the talk page and maybe something can be worked out in the Wikipedia community in the future. --Effer^AKS 20:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Council of the European Union

Hi JLogan, just left a number of thoughts at the Council of the European Union peer review. I saw on your user page that you joined WP:IR. I tried to join too but unfortunately it never really got started. Hopefully the comments were helpful, let me know at the peer review, or the talk page of the article if you have any questions. Anyways, you do great work on these European Union articles! Keep them coming! --JayHenry 19:04, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I've replied and will be getting onto it shortly.- J Logan ^t: 19:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi JLogan, I'll look over the article soon (hopefully tonight) and get back to you. Thanks for the heads up. --JayHenry 19:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Good question

What does the Eurocorps do here, if i may ask ? Cheers, RCS 09:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Em, well I suppose it serves the EU (and NATO) and as it is just a category it isn't too bad. On pages it should explicitly mention if included. If it is a problem though we could have a sub-cat for those forces connected to, but outside, the EU? - J Logan ^t: 09:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Alex Stubb

He is the foreign minister of Valtio. John Carter 20:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

A Question

Hi. I've been doing some work on the CIA World Factbook copy-paste articles. Since it' is acceptable to just paste information from another site in order to start up an article I would like to know if it would be OK to paste information to create Eropean national capital punishemnt articles. There are only a few in existence and I've found a site where the information is already quite organised. I've sent an email to the editor of the site and asked weather the content is free or not. In the event that it is would it be ok to create these stubs?

tnx U5K0 19:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I got a response from the editor and apparently the content is copyrighted. Would the copyedit technique still apply? U5K0 08:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to post this earlier: here's the site I was talking about [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by U5K0 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

EP apportionment

Apportionment in the European Parliament needs to be updated, now that the new apportionment is part of the Reform Treaty package... Will you be doing that? Thanks! —Nightstallion 13:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Here is a really great table summarising all the possible constellations. —Nightstallion 13:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, great work! —Nightstallion 18:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Council of the European Union

Hi JLogan, I've been super busy this month and I apologize for the delay in getting back to you on this. The article's improved a lot. I'm stuck manning the office on a Saturday night so I've had some time to look at it. My biggest question, reading the article, is still about the legislative procedure. I don't understand how they pass laws. And I think the whole process needs to be very clearly spelled out. Now, I understand we're talking about possibly the most complex bureaucracy in the world (!) but is it possible to explain, more specifically, what sort of laws they can pass, what they can't, what sort of voting is required for specific topics. Maybe a table? What's the process for a law? Are they introduced in the Council and the Parliament independently? First in one, then the other? Since this is a legislative body, I think that ideally "Legislative Procedure" will be one of the most thorough sections of the article. Some scattered thoughts:

• It says most of the configurations meet irregularly. Is there any way to give the reader a sense of how irregular? I understand "irregularity" is a difficult thing to describe, but "five times a year, as meetings are needed" can be irregular as can "once in the last decade" although they're quite different time frames. See what I'm getting at? If they meet irregularly how do they decide when to meet?
• It'd be nice to see a little more information about the role of the presidency in this article.
• In Public access: "Certain other areas may be open to public viewing." What does this mean exactly? Does this mean people can physically attend other meetings, or that the meeting records are publicly available.
• In Delegated authority, it wasn't completely clear to me if these delegated powers have always been delegated or if the council decided at some point to let European Council pick the commission president, for example. Also, it says there are a number of powers they delegate. What are the others? Would they be too numerous and/or confusing to list?
• Budgetary authority, how big is the budget?
• In the party map I can't figure out which country belongs to which party! Would it be possible to match the color of the table to the color of the map?
• The article Common Foreign and Security Policy does a rather nice job explaining the council's role in setting foreign policy? Can we have a bit more of that here?

This looks like a long list, but don't get discouraged, you are doing a terrific job with all these EU articles! --JayHenry 02:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:Welcome to WikiProject European Union

Thanks for the notice. I'll help anywhere possible. Rudget _{Contributions} 10:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

AGs

Why did you remove information (along with the direct source) that the number of Advocates General will increase from 8 to 11? --Camptown 16:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Though, I understand you're saying: hence the number of Advocate Generals will increase by one, yes: but only if the number is increased by three.... After all, the ECJ now has to file a request to the Council, saying "Please, give us three more AGs!" ;) --Camptown 17:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Meet 193.164.229.102 (talk · contribs)

[2]. Some charming ladies among them. Cheers, RCS 15:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Same topic : meet Alexander coe (talk · contribs). "Coe" is not his surname, as you might guess. RCS 16:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is encouraged. They try to get the CoE out of the shadow of the EU, at a time where the Strasbourg seat of the EP is menaced and people (even here) think that nothing will be left if it goes. However, some are only on a personal promotion. I wonder if that Jean-Claude name is not a cover-up, a kind of political Alan Smithee ? RCS 16:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Possible, but it is a tad far don't you think, why would they bother? It could be it is the name of just one of the computers or the admin which is translated to all of them if they share the IP, or it could just be one assistant or something working on it? Hey, perhaps we should invite all these names we identify as CoE to join WikiProject Europe :p - J Logan ^t: 16:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

CAP

Occasionally i edit the CAP page and noticed your comment requesting a summary. The page seems to have attracted a load of unexplained fault tags which may or may not be justified, but it does probably need bringing up to date. I have some understanding of the scheme as it applies in general terms and is implemented in the UK. Unfortunately implementation is up to each member state, and they have some discretion on exactly how they operate the parts of the scheme which are internal to a state (ie giving out subsidies). I noticed a recent announcement suspending set-aside in the UK, but have no idea whether other states have also done this. We have an obvious difficulty that french farmers probably do not visit the english wiki to write about how the scheme is implemented and problems it has in France, ditto each member state speaking a different language. I also note that the scheme is sometimes contentious and tends to be mis-reported in the press. All of which doesn't help you much, but while I am rather busy with other things presently I shall endeavour to look into the page again when I can. Sandpiper 00:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

CEN

I see that you reverted the recent move for CEN article that I made. You claim "European article, don't use US spelling".

I do undertstand that normally Europeans prefer the spelling "standardisation", however, as I mentioned in Talk:European Committee for Standardisation, the name CEN uses is spelled out "standardization", and that is the only reason I made the move.

Please take a look at their official website. Since this is the spelling they adapted, I have no doubt that this is their official (legal) name. This is about a proper noun, and is irrelevant to what spelling Europeans normally use. I believe official names should be used on Wikipedia articles. I hope you agree.

I had posted a comment on the talk page a week ago requesting comments on the possible move. I wish you had responded to it then, instead of suddenly reverting the move when it was made. I would like to move the article back to "Standardization", but would very much like to hear what you have to say beforehand to avoid further move war. Thanks for your consideration. --Sumori 02:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Maybe you want to comment this [3]. Lear 21 01:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you want to comment here again to refresh the arguments for the entries? : [4], [5], [6] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.6.74 (talk) 00:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Reach, Foreign Relations and Defence

Dear J Logan, I wonder whether you might agree with me that we should try and integrate the two EU template boxes on EU Foreign Relations and Defence? The EU Reach template can then be used for all the other relevant entries. I have removed the 'History of EU expansion and influence' template, although i don't know how to fully delete it. Do you? Imperium Europeum (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD

Hi! Considering your interesting in elections and/or the EU, you may be interested in the ongoing deletion debate on Danish European Union opt-outs referendum -- if so, could you please voice your opinion in the AfD debate? Thanks! —Nightstallion 15:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Mark Mardell, BBC

You just have to comment on that, haven't you ? Cheers, RCS (talk) 14:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that (already put into the article!), I am tempted to comment on it but never see it doing much, maybe later...- J Logan ^t: 19:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Leaving

I have no understanding for this edit [7] The editor who has kindly announced to leave has put this article in constant crisis and instability. The editor has no edit history in any EU European related articles. Instead this editor has repeatedly tried to delete content and images in several sections. You pact with the devil by reinviting him. With these kind of buddies YOU ruin the article. Thanks for the attention. Lear 21 (talk) 20:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I do not approve of the way either of you are handling this, but this article is in crisis no only because of him but because of you. Fact remains that he does have real academic knowledge of the EU which we need and I'd appreciate it if you worked more diplomatically with him rather than escalating things. Also, not quite sure why you are trying to get my sympathy considering these are the complaints you make about me and several other editors. Whether yours points are valid or not your confrontational style discredits everything you do, please think carefully about the action you take.- J Logan ^t: 09:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

??? Please read the section again. We are not talking about Simonski. Lear 21 (talk) 18:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to inform you that I intend to question the GA status of the EU article. The article is in a severe crisis of instability for a number days now and does not fulfill the criteria anymore. A clear stance towards the responsible editor (there is only one insisting on tagging the article) from you could help. Lear 21 (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, as it is locked it seems quite stable! :). Yeah, its in crisis, but I think we can agree on something. And as for above comment, that is what I meant.- J Logan ^t: 18:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United Nations Parliamentary Assembly

Hello, I have created an article about the UN Parliamentary Assembly, a world body that would be similar to Europarl. Please review and vote on the WP:FAC nomination. Thanks, Sarsaparilla (talk) 01:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Done, sorry it wasn't wholehearted support, this is something that should get to the top.- J Logan ^t: 19:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you like the revised article? Thanks for your input by the way. Sarsaparilla (talk) 04:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I still can't find much on criticism in there, as in a clear argument against it or problems it may cause. You have a note on wanting to withdraw from the UN on sovereignty grounds, but that is general, and public opinion on financing, but that is not an argument - just an opinion poll. Another point that could be brought up would be turnout, the European Parliament's has been falling consistently over the years even thought its powers have increased drastically. How would a largely powerless assembly get people to vote. And how would a political system work between a liberal democracy and a communist dictatorship, hence its legitimacy would be another point. So generally, I find the article biased in favour and it needs some balance.- J Logan ^t: 09:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

La Viquiestrella de Mèrit Europea

Thank you for giving me this distinction. I'm completely agree with you: wikipedia is a joint work regardless of the language, but imagine what more can be done with a language as small as the Catalan. Moltes gràcies i a treballar!!! Salut! --Gcm (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, with hard working people such as yourself we won't have to imagine! Perhaps we will see WikiProjects of people in all languages working on the EU topics.- J Logan ^t: 19:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Governance

Hi. I am quite new on the english Wikipedia and was wondering if you could help me in contributing on the governance article (maybe you're interested or know another wikipedian interested in the subject?). I have already posted suggestions on the talk page Talk:Governance. regards.--TW 75 (talk) 12:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Espace Léopold

Dear, first of all let me express my appreciation and gratitude for the immense work you do on EU-related articles. You may have noticed me following you on some of the articles concerning Brussels, restoring language neutrality by adding (mostly) the Dutch names of buildings, streets, squares etc. You should know that Dutch is the original (and, as for now, still an official) language of Brussels, and being a native Dutch-Brusselaar I see no reason whatsoever why English articles should suggest that Brussels is monolingual French. Therefore, I hope you can appreciate my contributions concerning the bilingualism of Brussels. I think, afterall, I'm always very modest in my edits and thus cannot be accused of being "partizan"; at least I am adding the other language, whereas others often just delete it. Anyway, I love to read your articles and that's actually what I wanted to say! --Hooiwind (talk) 10:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding. You're right about the fact that Espace Léopold is used in English. But so is Uccle, Woluwe-Saint-Lambert etc. I'll just put both names in the first line, but throughout the article common English usage can be followed, of course.--Hooiwind (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

You're more than welcome, I'm not accusing you of anything ;-) Have a great time in Sweden! --Hooiwind (talk) 10:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

EU editing

hi logan, sorry but we are tripping over each other editing. I just reinserted an old version by accident and then changed it back. But I also just bypassed your last three edits. will have a look to see what I muxed up. Sandpiper (talk) 19:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks the same to me, but thanks.- J Logan ^t: 19:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

False alarm, I think I edited your version, but when I saw it, it was rather different to the last time I read through. Sandpiper (talk)

Do you prefer the additional territories information remaining in the start of 'geog' or transferred to a final para in 'member states'? I started intending to leave it in geog, but now we have been messing about, I think it probably ought to be in 'members'. My logic is that anyone bored reading about it would just skip to the start of the next section anyway. It also helps to give a little more text to flow around the map.(The version I placed there was edited to make it read better, its in the history somewhere). Sandpiper (talk)

I don't mind personally, it is good to have the flow around the map though but it might leave geography a bit stubby. In terms of real content though I don't think it matters.- J Logan ^t: 19:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes I have that difficulty about geog, as with sport, it isn't doing much. You will have gathered I have an issue with environment policy coming under geog also. Did your edit note mean I need to find a source containing the information that I am maintaining the page? Sandpiper (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand. Which edit note?- J Logan ^t: 20:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Updated the maintained box with Sandpiper, Simonski and SouthernElectric as all now contribute - sources etc may be needed . I presume you mean by etc that you would also like transcripts of qualifications? Sandpiper (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No no :), I just mean I included those names as you lot are working on texts, sources and verification may be needed on the sections you've been giving which is why I put you lot up.- J Logan ^t: 21:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you mean it is a medal intended to encourage doing more work.Sandpiper (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure if it works! :) - J Logan ^t: 22:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid the EU artice will never be ready for FA. There are just too many new editors getting in all the time who want to completely reshape the whole structure, not necessarily bad, but in doing so basically starting from scratch again. I will try to keep an eye on it, but are desperately time limited at the moment. Arnoutf (talk) 22:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, any ideas though?- J Logan ^t: 14:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Louise Weiss, the woman

I've made the appropriate request. Cheers, RCS (talk) 19:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Do not thank me, thank the one who'll make the translation. Btw, have you ever been to Saverne ? The museum shows the collection Weiss donated to the city, in itself it is not such a great collection (minor paintings and drawings, some exotic furnitures and masks) but the rooms are very well conceived and they show a film about her that is really very interesting. The website : http://www.louise-weiss.org/le_musee.html. Cheers, RCS (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Now, please thank her :-) --RCS (talk) 08:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

HELP ! Joshua, could you please categorize the article ? Many thanks ! --RCS (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, JLogan, for categorizing the article. I am pretty new and find the categorization very difficult. Does this mean that I can remove the "uncat" tag and the other stuff that the bot added now? (And to RCS, if you're reading this, you'll notice that I added a little bit from the French page, too. My French is very rusty, but I understood some of it, with the aid of my trusty dictionary!) Do either of you feel like proofreading the article? I'm not terribly sure what the title of the "oldest member of the EU parliament who presides over the election of the President" should be, for example.

Mange tak! Scbarry (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

No prob, I'll go through it, and I'll deal with the oldest member stuff. Thanks.- J Logan ^t: 14:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

As a MEP (1979-1983), she was actually Mother of the House. A very healthy person ! RCS (talk) 19:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 13 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Espace Léopold, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--EncycloPetey (talk) 12:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.- J Logan ^t: 14:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF, the DYK says: "...that the European Parliament is currently housed in Espace Léopold, Brussels". Nothing learned then, fellows ? RCS (talk) 11:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I know I know, but with luck people will be more informed after following the link? Not much we can do now.- J Logan ^t: 11:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Group presidents for 79

J, hi! The missing presidents for the EP 79 election are bangemann (LD), de la malene (EPD), scott-hopkins (ED), amendois (COM) and bonde/blaney/pannella (CDI, rotating presidency). The source is here, page 11. Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Whey, thanks! - J Logan ^t: 11:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Amendois doesn't seem to show up on the EP website, do you know who it is? What their first name might be?- J Logan ^t: 11:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Giorgio Amendola, son of Giovanni Amendola. RCS (talk) 11:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! :) - J Logan ^t: 11:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term1/view.do?language=IT&id=928. He has his own, stubby article, by the way : Giorgio Amendola. Cheers, RCS (talk) 12:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Aye, I found him before for the list of president candidates, should have been able to put 2 and 2 together!- J Logan ^t: 12:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

New articles needed

Hi! Will you be taking care of the articles on the "reflection group" headed by Felipe González and co-chaired by Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga/Jorma Ollila and the article on the future Kosovo civilian mission? —Nightstallion 16:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Was just looking into it, not sure we can say much, just another one of those toys and nothing has happened yet aside from there being a few names. What are we supposed to write? What is it even called?- J Logan ^t: 18:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, right now we could only give descriptive names, of course... Mh. —Nightstallion 18:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

You mean like "Sarko's pointless navel gazing society"? We have no data right now, unless you have a bunch of sources, or anything to link it in with. I say we just sit on it for a while. Or maybe a new article for this and Almato and the treaties: Reflection in the European Union?- J Logan ^t: 18:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Point made -- just keep in mind that we will be needing an article on the ESDP civil mission to Kosovo and the "reflection group"/"wise men's council" in the next few weeks or months. Thanks! —Nightstallion 21:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Aye on the Kosovo one, can't find the data I had on that. Know its name? I'll look into creating a stub at least for us to build on.- J Logan ^t: 11:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK, there's no official name yet -- but there's an official website already (which has existed for quite some time, as the Union has been planning this mission for years): http://www.eupt-kosovo.eu/new/index.php —Nightstallion 19:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

EU article size (number of sections)

• re you comments here

Whilst I agree that the section count is getting high it's still lower than both the (IMO) comparable UN and NATO articles; UN stands at 14 and NATO at 15 plus the normal ref, see also and links sections etc. SouthernElectric (talk) 11:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Just because they do it doesn't mean we should :p. After all, those articles do look a bit of a mess.- J Logan ^t: 11:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

GA review

Hi, thanks for reviewing Hsu Tain-tsair.

I have a few question: Are you basically saying that I should add some negative things about him (to follow NPOV), and add sources to back those things up? Also, why did you fail reference while passing citations to reliable sources, aren't they the same thing? Again, thanks for reviewing the article!--Jerrch 20:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bother you again. I have improve the article quite a bit. I've added a Criticism section, organized the Tainan mayoralty section, and added more sources. Could you please take a look at the article?--Jerrch 00:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Seat of the European Parliament in Strasbourg

Hello J, i would like to turn this article into a GA. I know there is still some way to go, but how fair are the chances, according to you ? Informations like the name of the architects of IPE 1, 2 and 3 are only missing because i was absolutely unable to find them, however hard i searched. Cheers, RCS (talk) 11:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping I could get Espace Leopold to GA, but I face the same problems on there being sod all information. Even though it could manage without them, I fear for both articles we would need some real in-depth information about them, right now we have only the very basics. Unless we find a good source, I don't see it getting a GA any time soon. Check out Scottish Parliament Building to see the ideal (granted that is an FA, but you can see how much we're missing).- J Logan ^t: 13:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

EU semi protection

Maybe you want to support this [8]. Lear 21 (talk) 16:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

EU talk page archiving

JL, could you archive some of the current talk page, much of it has been done with (if not dusted) now that we have reached a compromise on the sports section and the resultant shrapnel, the reason I asked you is (besides not being sure how to do it myself yet!) the sports discussion really needs to be collated with the rest of the sports discussion so that it's easily referenced and as you did the last lot of archiving... I would suggest the first 20 odd sections could now be moved (less the reference to the sports discussion at the top). Thanks SouthernElectric (talk) 18:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I archived a whole bunch, most is past discussion on current issues and we need to concentrate it all. On collating the sports stuff, I am working on that as a side piece, will get back on that soon.- J Logan ^t: 19:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ratification table

Hi! Do you think you could make a comment on this? - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 16:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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BTW Isn't European Union/Frequently asked questions supposed to be a normal page, not a talk page? - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 16:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I copied the US one, that's a talk page. I was just thinking about that though, but aren't normal pages meant to be for articles and so on? Ah I'll move it anyhow.- J Logan ^t: 17:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

But there are no normal articles with a "/" address, so I guess the Q&A would be just as unofficial as a user page. - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 17:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC) - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 17:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Smart move! - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 17:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ehm.. wouldn't it be more logic to have it as a subpage of the EU talk page? why revert? -$\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 17:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You just said to have it as a normal one?!- J Logan ^t: 17:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh didn't realise that "Talk:European Union/Frequently asked questions" was the talk page of "European Union/Frequently asked questions". I messed up with the ":"s and "/"s. In that case; yes, European Union/Frequently asked questions is the best adress. Sorry, clumsy me. - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 17:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Your proposed changes

Yep, I was thinking along similar lines myself. The only (minor) issue I have with your proposed solution is the location of the title. I've moved the title from your sandbox version from line 2 to first line. Thoughts? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 13:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

84, 89, 94 chairs

J, hi! I'ved filled out the 84/89/94 speakers, and I've got the oldest members for 89 & 94. The details are as follows:

1984

• SOURCE: http://aei.pitt.edu/5179/01/000473_1.pdf
• Socialist Group (the group didn't become PES until 21.04.1993) Rudi Arndt
• Conservatives and Christian Democrats Egon Klepsch
• Conservatives Henry Plumb
• Communists and the Far Left Gianni Cervetti
• Liberals and Liberal Democrats Simone Veil
• National Conservatives Christian de La Malène
• Greens and Regionalists Else Hammerich Jaak Vandemeulebroucke Bram van der Lek Paul Staes 20
• Fascists and the Far Right Jean-Marie Le Pen

As for 1989 & 1994, the trick is to realise that the group chairmen/women, president and oldest member usuall all speak on the first days of the new sitting. The speakers in the debates are listed on the European Parliament - Indexes of debates http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cre/tables.htm

25 July 1989

• SOURCE: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cre/pdf/exemple2_en.pdf

• PRESIDENT Barón Crespo

• OLDEST MEMBER Claude AUTANT-LARA (born 5 August 1901)http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term3/view.do?language=EN&id=1034

• CHAIRMEN/WOMEN

Socialist Group (didn't become PES until 21.04.1993) Jean-Pierre COT http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?id=1027&language=en

Group of the European People's Party (Christian-Democratic Group) Egon A. KLEPSCH http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1267

Liberal and Democratic Reformist Group Valéry GISCARD d'ESTAING http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1030

European Democratic Group Sir Christopher J. PROUT http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1392

Technical Group of the European Right Jean-Marie LE PEN http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1023

Group for the European United Left Luigi Alberto COLAJANNI http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1137

Group of the European Democratic Alliance Christian de la MALÈNE http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=974

The Green Group in the European Parliament Maria Amélia SANTOS http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=944

Left Unity René-Emile PIQUET http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1157

Rainbow Group in the European Parliament Jaak H.-A. VANDEMEULEBROUCKE http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/alphaOrder/view.do?language=EN&id=1470

19 July 1994

• SOURCE: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cre/pdf/4tome2_en.pdf

• PRESIDENT Klaus HÄNSCH http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1266

• OLDEST MEMBER Vassilis EPHREMIDIS (born 31 December 1915) http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=955

• CHAIRMEN/WOMEN

Group of the European People's Party (Christian-Democratic Group) Wilfried A.E. MARTENS http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1942

Group of the Party of European Socialists Pauline GREEN http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1308

Group of the European Liberal, Democrat and Reform Party Gijs M. de VRIES http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1454

Group of the European Democratic Alliance Jean-Claude PASTY http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1205

The Green Group in the European Parliament Claudia ROTH http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1057 Alexander LANGER http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1107

Forza Europa Group Giancarlo LIGABUE http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=2251

Europe of Nations Group (Coordination Group) Jimmy GOLDSMITH http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=2213

Confederal Group of the European United Left Alonso José PUERTA http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=1033

Group of the European Radical Alliance Catherine LALUMIÈRE http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=2130

I don't know when I'll have time to do 1999, but here's one to start you off

1999

Technical Group of Independent Members - mixed group Gianfranco DELL'ALBA http://www.europarl.europa.eu/members/archive/term4/view.do?language=EN&id=204 Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

99 chairs

Bart Staes' EP profile [9] doesn't list him as having been chairman, wheras these sources [10][11] say Paul Lannoye was. Incidentally, Pasqua was UEN chair. So I think they're all done now. Congratulations, incidentally: it's a nice piece of work. Well done, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Your points

Addressing your points [12] as follows:

• Infoboxes vs. Navboxes

I have no problem with you using the infobox versions: please feel free to install them on the EP79-04 pages. It would be a good idea to keep the infobox versions on the pages as well - the reason being that the entries in the navbox versions can be made more detailed (voting ages, dual mandates, different versions of proportional representation, total number of votes cast) but the infobox versions can't due to space restrictions.

• Ep1979-2004.GIF

I agree that Image:Ep1979-2004.GIF needs to be redone. As for format, my advice is the same as for the hemicycles - namely, use standard colors, keep text on the diagram to a minimum and preferably omit it entirely (any explanatory text should be in a separate box above or one side, and not part of the gif). Possibly you may want to do a line graph instead of a cumulative bar chart, but I haven't examined the problem closely enough to tell. Incidentally, wikistandards these days require png/svg instead of gif/jpg/bmp/whatever.

Hope that helps, kind regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 18:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question

I would have no problem with the removal of the sources from the infobox versions. The information will still be sourced in the navbox versions and so can be defended if challenged. Please note that the electorate figure of 343,657,800 for the 2004 elections is unsourced (it was inherited from the previous versions of the article and not originated by me). I will find sources for that figure as time permits. Incidentally, I have found an online source for the Parliament immediately before the 1989 elections: unbelievably, it's from the archives of Radio Free Europe (see [13]), although in retrospect, the interest may be obvious given what was happening in Eastern Europe at the time. Kind regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Merit for outstanding contributions

		The Barnstar of European Merit
		I hereby award you JLogan The Barnstar of European Merit for tireless contributions to EU related articles in the year 2007. Lear 21 (talk) 20:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
		this WikiAward was given to {{subst:PAGENAME}} by ~~~ on ~~~~~

Your knowledgeable efforts have extended a comprehensible approach to the EU article and related EU issues. Throughout the year 2007 we have intensively debated EU matters and I want to express that I appreciated it. Your points of view have proofed valuable and though we not agree on every issue, for me it was a worthwhile learning experience. Merry Christmas, Frohe Weihnachten and a Happy New Year. Lear 21 (talk) 20:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Lear, and yes, while we I may disagree with you on issues, and your methods, you are committed to this and you do provide an alternative view. I look forward to debating further. Have a Merry Christmas, God Jul as they say in Sweden, and enjoy the holidays! - J Logan ^t: 20:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll add my thanks here for catching my bad (on the President article, 17 December). My classic error, relying on one source - appreciate your expert intervention! All best, 82.11.14.63 (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

It must be Christmas... =

Thank you for awarding me a barnstar ([14]). I must admit it threw me for a loop: I really wasn't expecting one, and I think you deserve one more (I note above that Lear 21 has awarded you one also: am I right in thinking that's actualy your second one?). There is much more to do on my to-do list: results by group and country, electoral maps, electoral methods, expanding onto the interim elections (e.g. 81, 2007), drilling down to the national elections, trying to sort out the constituencies below national level, finishing off the group page (the actual formal full name of Rainbow before the Greens left was (deep breath) "Rainbow Group: Federation of the Green Alternative European Links, Agelev-Ecolo, the Danish People's Movement against Membership of the European Community, and the EuropeanFree Alliance, in the European Parliament"), and trying to ensure that the national and pan-european election results are consistent with each other. So 2008 is going to be pretty full. So thank you for the barnstar: it is genuinely appreciated. Kind Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Politics of the European Union mini

I think it was a good idea. A reduced version is handy. But exactly when is {{Politics of the European Union mini}} supposed to be used? Just for stub articles or what? - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 02:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

European people article?

I was thinking of starting an article about European people, a la the French people article, with a single infobox etc.. (I've made a mock up photoshop collage containing Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Napoleon, Galileo Galilei and Plato. Any ideas?)

Perhaps the best solution would be to rename European ethnic groups to "European people", and insert the infobox at the top.. I am just wondering whether it would be too shameless, and whether I'll enjoy your support when Simonski and other eurosceptic editors start claiming that Europe has always been a number of hermetically closed and divided ethnic groups and cultures. - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 22:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

You'll certainly enjoy my support. —Nightstallion 01:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Have you checked the talk pages of the ethnic groups and the European dab page? I think there was a discussion on these points before. Also, I think you should be worried about other editors, the EU page team don't seem to be very involved in the generic Europe arguments - doubt they'd be involved rather than fight against.

I think it's perfectly fine to have one though, there is African people, so you have my support on it. Depends though on what the page consists of - I am not so sure about just moving European ethnic groups though.- J Logan ^t: 09:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:European ethnic groups has an extremely long discussion on the creation of a new article. I'm filled with horror and haven't read through it all, but I noticed that {{European people}} has already been created. - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 21:36, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems like consensus on that talk page was that a new article was needed, but that it's scope (typical demographics & identity questions) will be hard to define. (Should it include people with European ancestry, like John F Kennedy?) I'll make a draft in my user space. - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 21:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Ssolbergj/European people. (I thought the french article was a good starting point) Feel free to edit and discuss there. - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 00:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Euro coins

Template:Euro coins has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. RichardΩ612 13:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Bitter editors

Please help me out here - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 11:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Dropped a comment, I'm afraid I'm off on a break very soon though so won't be able to help for another few days.- J Logan ^t: 11:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

In Cyprus is already 2008 !!

Happy new Year!!! :) PLease update the Eurozone page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox width

Hi, J! I've replied to your infobox query on my talk page, regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, that didn't take very long: both Template:Infobox_Planet and Template:Animal (family) use nonstandard widths - i.e. everything that moves upon the ground and all possible grounds for it to move on. Template:Infobox European Parliament election has been changed to have unspecified widths accordingly. You may need to purge (put ?action=purge on the end of the URL) to see the changes, but they have been made. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

London Meetup - January 12, 2008

Hi! There's going to be a London Wikipedia Meetup coming Saturday January 12, 2008. If you are interested in coming along take part in the discussion over at Wikipedia:Meetup/London7. The discussion is going on until tomorrow evening and the official location and time will be published at the same page late Thursday or early Friday. Hope to see you Saturday, Poeloq (talk) 02:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

ECJ

Hey man, like I said I was going to, I had a flick through the ECJ page.. to be honest it looks quite good at the moment, seems to cover most things, what do you feel is missing? Haha, obviously not a criticism section (though it goddamn deserves one I'll tell you that!), but I mean what, like mentioning landmark cases in all the Type of Action subsections? I'll keep looking over the space of this week but at the moment, as it stands its not that bad at all. --Simonski (talk) 12:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I would have though some sections such as notable cases, perhaps development of its power and nature. Perhaps something like the latter sections of the US supreme court article. Big point for me would be citation. If you think the content is okay then it would just be that I suppose. Thanks for reading through though.- J Logan ^t: 17:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

{{Politics of the European Union mini}}

Isn't {{Politics of the European Union mini}} only for articles about EU politics and government? [15] - $\mathrm {S}$. $\mathrm {Solberg}$ $\mathrm {J}$. 18:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well there were some political connections, but point taken. Removed.- J Logan ^t: 21:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Salam-Hello (Flag for EUP)

I Have Created this Flag based on a link in the FOTW.net site, and links that you have left... i hope they help...

--Arab League User (talk) 06:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Location of European Union institutions

I don't remember, who competed with Frankfurt, but I can remember that there were several towns mentioned. The decision of October 29, 1993 was the end of a discussion of two years. Was there ever any decision within the European Union in perfect harmony?--Thw1309 (talk) 23:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Elections in the European Union

Re. elected officials: thank you for your modification; works for me!--Scotchorama (talk) 13:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Constituency templates continued

J, hi! Nice to see you back, albeit briefly: although I was surprised at the approach you took: do you really want to take a deletionist approach considering the number of templates you've done, many of which must (by law of averages) be low-usage? Unfortunately, I find myself distracted by events and so cannot give this matter my full attention. Thank you for your time and hope everything is OK, regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 00:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

My apologies but I just don't see a high usage. Yes I have a few low usage templates but all are for use on more than one page aside for one (which is euro coins - such a mass of complicated code it needs it). What you have though is a template of a template - and I have to agree with them that it does make it harder to edit. There would be no real loss of data, it just doesn't need its own page. It is after all an infobox, not a navbox or any kind of chart. Sorry, but feel free to keep trying to convince. - J Logan ^t: 17:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:EP79S

A tag has been placed on Template:EP79S requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes.

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Forgot about that one, it is replaced now. No objections.- J Logan ^t: 10:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Euro-Constituency templates

Hallo, You might be interested to see Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Infobox_Scotland_.28European_Parliament_constituency.29, as someone who joined in the discussion at User talk:Anameofmyveryown/Archive 4. PamD (talk) 20:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Co-operation between the Council of Europe and the European Union

Hi Jay, can you do something useful with this ? Cheers, RCS (talk) 07:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it, nothing major in there, unless we had a page on each (or every three) presidency. This generally isn't that noteworthy on its own. Thanks though. - J Logan ^t: 09:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Heligoland and Schengen

Sorry that I simply undid your addition of Heligoland to the exemptions, but there is a common misunderstanding: Heligoland is indeed not part of the EU customs and tax area, but there is no provision which excludes it from the Schengen area, neither in national German law, nor in EU law. You can find the assertion that Heligoland is not part of Schengen in numerous media, but not in the laws, and not in the practice of the German Federal Police. --DanSchultz (talk) 09:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Fair enough, I'm adding an editors note in though considering the media report it a lot.- J Logan ^t: 09:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

This surely is a good idea. Thank you very much. Anyway, those questions on exemptions are amongst the most tricky ones with a view to Schengen, because the only reliable sources are the laws themselves, which consist of numerous little acts, decisions, protocols, annexes, and other documents which most people, including lawyers simply would not read. The Commission is trying to do a sort of clean-up by proposing codes - they started with the Schengen Border Code, continued with the proposed Visa Code, and will probably propose codes for police and justice cooperation (including Prüm) as soon as the Treaty of Lisbon will have abolished the odd pillar system and allow the Commision to draft comprehensive bills in those areas, as well. At some point in the next years, the lemma discussion will surely pop up again, because there will hardly be anything left of the original Schengen Agreements. --DanSchultz (talk) 12:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Europarl in Strasbourg

Hi Jay, i've added a little to the article but, as always, i'm not entirely sure of my English. Please check it : [16] Thanks ! RCS (talk) 08:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I've done a but of a rewrite, its fine though - hope you done mind the reorganisation though.- J Logan ^t: 10:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro

Please consider to take active stance towards new proposals of further changes to the EU introduction. Editors with highly unorientated knowledge to the issue are taking further steps to alter the stable version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.96.186 (talk) 15:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

CoE

Some additions. Cheers, RCS (talk) 20:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Brussels street maps

J, hi! I was in the vicinity of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps looking up standard map coloration, when I saw your request for a map of EU institutions in Brussels. The following possibility springs to mind:

• There is an open source street map project called http://wiki.openstreetmap.org . The Brussels page is here. If you leave a message on its talk page or contact people who have worked on the map, they may be able to help. This wiki article uses such a map.

Hope that helps, regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Does a lot, thanks!- J Logan ^t: 16:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Well the map already exists [17], bur all the buildings and street names are not yet on ... (PhilippeP on OSM) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.43.140 (talk) 10:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Great, so it just needs the buildings added. Looks like there is the Berlaymont, Charlemagne and one of the Parliament buildings. How easy would it be to add the others? Thanks.- J Logan ^t: 16:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Belgium-Luxembourg Economic Union

The EU doesn't always take dessisions overly precice.There are margins,that the countries have to folow,not specific targets.The EU "it has to be 22-35",the BLEC "we deside that it will be 29 for as two".--88.82.32.84 (talk) 19:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)