Talk:List of WWE personnel

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The Great Khali

If you go to his main page it say's his birth name is Dalip Singh Rana, but we have him listed as just Dalip Singh. who agree's we should put him as Dalip Singh Rana ?. Steelerfan-94 (talk) 23:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC).

No because he only uses Dalip Singh on his acting credits also, the Rana is similar to the name after Guerrero in Eddie's full name. Skitzo (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

WWE severs ties with OVW

It's been reported that WWE has severed ties with OVW and is moving all their contracted wrestlers to Florida Championship wrestling. Plus, you still have several guys listed who were recently released. (Ace Steel being one of them) Geld, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep, and the roster has been removed for OVW.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 20:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

OVW is not defunct. WWE just severed ties with them. OVW is still in existance, but all of the WWE contracted guys are leaving. Geld, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe not. The OVW website is gone. Geld, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.161.152 (talk)

Is it really? And indeed, if even DSW carried on when WWE split from it, there's no reason OVW won't. WWE never owned OVW, and there were always a handful of workers for OVW whose contracts were with OVW (or weren't contracted at all) rather than with WWE. A prominent example was ODB. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 23:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Problems with the page

So according to the tags, this article needs additional sources. It also needs clean up, apparently not meeting Wiki's WP:MOS. So what can we do to fix this? Suggestions? --TrUCo⁹31¹ 21:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Re-open the above polls (on tables and citations) at WT:PW, as not many votes were cast in the other discussions. iMatthew 2008 21:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

No, because I realized that adding tables to every section is sort of cruft. Mayby if we moved the FCW roster somewhere else, then the page would be smaller and mayby one big table could be work. Also citations are just needed for their "job", the stuff written in italics by each superstar. The roster pages cover really who is on what brand. --TrUCo⁹31¹ 21:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The page should either be fully cited, or not cited at all. If you need a citation saying that The Boogeyman is currently injured, why shouldn't you have a citation saying that Batista is on Smackdown. Without citations, anyone can argue that Hornswoggle is on Raw, and that the note should say "Hornswoggle can appear on Smackdown also". With a citation next to his name, it proves that he is on Smackdown, and appears on Raw also. iMatthew 2008 21:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Because you don't cite facts. The Boogeyman being injured/his status/his injury, etc. needs citation, no doubt about it. Batista being on SmackDown! is fact, multiple external links can be provided as saying that and one is already provided to the bottom of the article. Main three reasons you cite something is when "adding material that is challenged or likely to be challenged", "When quoting someone" or "When adding material to the biography of a living person". Batista and Hornswaggles roster arrangments are self-explanatory, as they can be by simply watching WWE or visiting any site with a roster on it. There is such thing as overusing citations. — Save_Us † 21:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

...or visiting any site with a roster on it is what I'm talking about. Adding a link to another site with a roster on it. iMatthew 2008 21:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh geez, {{sofixit}}. Google search WWE roster, ignore Wikipedia results, WWE's results, and out-of-date entires and add it to the external links sections. Don't complain about citations unless your actually talking about citing something like BLP-sensitive material or something that is challengable. External links (like rosters lists) being present doesn't = citations. — Save_Us † 21:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see your point. But as Truco said, what else can be done to the article? iMatthew 2008 21:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Could you please point out the part of MoS you and Truco think the article may conflict with? — Save_Us † 21:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a problem, I am just pointing out the tags and trying to find suggestions.TrUCo⁹31¹ 22:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mike DiBiase Jr.

Before anyone readds him again, someone, anyone, please provide a source that states that he is coming to the WWE because I looked and I couldn't find anything. — Save_Us † 02:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't find it either, but I remember he and his brother were reported as signed at the same time, though Mike apparently had a number of independent obligations to fulfill. Still, I can't find it anywhere and he has a private myspace, so unless he shows up in FCW, I guess we may as well just leave him off. Dahumorist (talk) 03:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah you're right, I remember only seeing news of his signing on a few sites while most only mentioned the Ted Dibiase signing. It's possible the reports of him signing were erroronous and he was confused for his brother. Doppy88 (talk) 06:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

alphabetical order

dont you think it would be easier for readers if the wwe roster and the TNA roster was in alphabetical order —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrispowellathome (talk • contribs) 10:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I cannot figure out what order they have it in now. It would be quite nice to have some sort of order in that makes sence. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 11:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Its in order alphabetically by last name. --TrUCo⁹31¹ 12:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It should be either last name first, or go by their first name, like

John Cena, and go by their first name or

Cena John, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steelerfan-94 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I apologise for my earlier comment. I just realised that it is already in alphabetical order by last name, but displaying the first name first. I agree with the current system in place. Please ignore my earlier comments on this topic. Cheers. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 23:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Divas

Should we put in comers "Divas" like on the tna page and also the superstars of ecw are some times known as "extemists" on the ecw divas part we should be known as "vixans" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.99.252 (talk) 09:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The ECW Superstars have not been referred to as "Extremists" and "Vixens" for months now! iMatthew 2008 12:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ever since WWE released Brooke they have not beenc called that, and Kelly Kelly and Layla are both in another storyline now that makes them hate each other. Steelerfan-94 19:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC) .

Balls Mahoney

It mentions he is on maternity leave it should be paternity for he is a male ;) 82.3.126.153 (talk)

actually, it says parental leave. Please read the article properly before posting. Regards, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 01:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

It said maternity a few days ago, I changed it to paternity a few days ago. — Save_Us † 17:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

JR

Was it just me or did anyone else hear that when Mark Henry was on raw a week from the rumbel JR said something that on the live feed it was beeped and on the replays it was taken out all together and the last time Mark was on it hapend but this time no beep just taken out does anyone no what he said —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.128.25 (talk) 07:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum or the appropriate place to discuss this. Plese take it someplace else. — Save_Us † 17:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Rory McAlister

He has a complete pectoral tear this was on his muspace have received countless e-mail asking how I am doing as of late and asking how my injury is. Well I had no clue anyone knew I was hurt as I never told anyone and I don't read the dirt sheets so I have no clue how they know but it's always nice that people show they care.

In a match recently I hurt my chest. Didn't know how, but I knew something was wrong. WWE had me see a surgeon immediately and after an mri I discovered I had torn my right pectoral completely off the bone. I went in for surgery yesterday morning and all went well. The tear was worse than first thought but the Doc assures me it has been anchored securely and he is more than happy with the results. I had an amazing team of surgeons and I have an amazing physical therapy team. Both of whom are the teams the Cincinnati Reds use. I made the joke that I hoped they know medicine better than the Reds know baseball but that joke dropped like a lead fart.

I am totally confident to be back very soon in better shape than I left both physically and mentally. Again thank you for all the e-mails of well being. I will keep you all updated!

Alba O'Ways

Rory —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.14.54.240 (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Considering this IP is coming froma educational facility in Australia, I very much highly doubt that you are who you say you are. This is the same comment that McAlister posted on his MySpace earlier this week after suffering the injury. — Save_Us † 01:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think he's just copying the posting from the myspace. Mshake3 (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

omg save us your a dumb ass who do you think im am i did copy and past it from his myspace to prove to people like you (Pessimists) that it was true —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.100.195 (talk) 05:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks please. D.M.N. (talk) 18:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Paul Burchail and Katie Lea

shouldnt wikipedia put Paul Burchails and Katie Leas profile on the proper roster not on the inactive because they are on wwe.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrispowellathome (talk • contribs) 09:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Check the page first! They have been listed as active since last Monday when they debut on Raw. iMatthew 2008 11:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Finlay - road agent

I could have swore NiciVampireHeart found a citation for this, but no such citation exists in the article. Noble being a producer also needs a cite... Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I did find one for Finlay, but I never added it to this article. I'll do it now. It's here under the "World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment" heading. As for Noble, I dunno. I'll see if I can find one. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I found one for Noble, but I haven't added it to the article because it seems to be a fansite. I'll give you guys the link, here, and let you decide. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right. That was in Finlay's article. Not sure about the source for Noble myself, but it does look like a fansite. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

You should be able to get a lot of references from the Divas DVDs, as he was a trainer/producer for them for several years. I recall Trish and others talking about him, and Finlay himself being interviewed as well. At the same time, I guess we need to know if he's still in that role. Mshake3 (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Mysterio Injured

See here. However, it says that he still wants to compete at Now Way Out, so I take that means that we can't list him as inactive yet. Thought I'd wait for other people opinions, so, any thoughts/comments? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Let's wait. I'm pretty sure it might be "storyline". --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's why i posted here, instead of making an idiot out of myself and posting it in the article. ;) I suppose time will tell really. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 23:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Let's just wait. ;) --

 ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Whether it is storyline or not, which it most likely isn't, he would still not wrestle to sell the injury so we should not wait. Doppy88 (talk) 05:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it's a storyline, since SD!'s been taped since Wednesday of last week, and he had a segment to build his feud with Edge.CrystallixRed (talk) 00:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Are we at a point where all injuries "could be storyline", and thus we have to treat them as such? Mshake3 (talk) 05:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

it sound storyline because they weren't shaw about the injury if it was real they would have told us what it was but f its real it might just be a short injury —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.130.154 (talk) 06:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

It is not a storyline. If it were a storyline then they wouldn't involve Dr. James Andrews and they wouldn't injure Mysterio at a House Show rather than on SmackDown if it actually was a storyline. He will most likely be injured for a few months, until that is confirmed by WWE, then we shouldn't list Myesterio as inactive. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 06:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought we use to put people on the inactive list regardless if they were kayfabe injured or actually injured did we not? Steelerfan-94 19:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure on that, but I didn't post on the actual page because he still wants to compete at No Way Out, which would mean that he wouldn't be inactive if he competes. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Inactive means that he is no longer competing. WWE has not confirmed/denied whether he will be competing at No Way Out or not. He is not inactive until announced. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 22:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

the injury might be like tomkos back surgary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.102.189 (talk) 06:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

1. Please Sign Your Comments!
2. Since WWE has not provided an update on Mysterio, it looks like he will be competing. Either that or it is just a storyline. Most likely the former. They might make him job so that he can take some time off. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 09:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Nick Dinsmore

should wikipedia put Eugene in the Developemnt roster because he made a return to OVW as his original gimmick Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.42.6 (talk) 11:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

OVW is no longer a WWE developmental facility, so I doubt it. --Kaizer13 (talk) 12:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Correct. OVW is just another indy fed now, no different than the hundres/thousands that also exist. TJ Spyke 01:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mr.McMahon

Vince is not active, does he wrestle on a daily basis? (including PPVs) No, wrestling for 2 consecutive weeks doesn't make him active, if he wrestled as much as he did during the Lashley/Umaga fued then yes.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 22:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

A few weeks back, William Regal was wrestling four weeks strait, but was not considered active because he stopped after those four weeks. He is still listed as occasional wrestler though, as is Vince. iMatthew 2008 22:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think he should be considered as active. he wrestles for a few weeks every now and again, while the others wrestle pretty much every week. I say leave him where he is. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

If that's the argument, then wouldn't Funaki and Mike Knox be considered "occasional wrestlers?" Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

No, but they do not have other jobs like Vince does, as that prevents him from wrestling on daily basis.TrUCo⁹31¹ 22:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Funaki and Mike Knox, unlike Vince, are signed to a wrestling contract. iMatthew 2008 22:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough point. I clearly didn't think mine all the way through, lol. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a "wrestling contract". There is "talent contract". How do you think some wrestlers like Matt Striker, William Regal, Kurt Angle and others turned from wrestlers to on-screen characters? Lex ^T/_C Guest Book 01:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Active Status

To clear up any future controversies regarding this topic, There should be a set of ground rules that should be followed so everybody knows what the guidelines are:

1. If you hold a title, you're automatically active.

2. If you're listed as an occasional wrestler, but are involved in a heavily featured feud where you are wrestling matches as part of that feud, you're active.

3. For full time wrestlers, you need to appear on TV once every 4 weeks (whether you wrestle or not), or you're inactive.

• A. Raw wrestlers need to appear on either Raw or Heat once every 4 weeks
• B. Smackdown or ECW wrestlers need to appear on either of those 2 shows once every 4 weeks.

4. If there's documented proof you're injured, you're inactive until you return to TV or have documented proof of returning at a live event.

• A. If promos say so and so returns next week, then they may be added to the active list.

Hopefully there will be no further disagreements and I hope these guidelines can cut down on confusion.

I apologize for causing any trouble.

Thank you,

Vjmlhds February 16, 2008 23:23 (UTC)

I disagree with point #2, just because you are heavily involved in a feud does not make you active. If you remember, Vince was heavily involved in the feud with Stone Cold and Dude Love during the weeks leading up to Over the Edge (1998), but he only wrestled like once in a while. If wikipedia existed back in the late 90s, Vince would not be active.TrUCo⁹31¹ 23:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I also disagree with 2. iMatthew 2008 23:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm not going to win with #2, so I'll concede that one.

As long as it's pointed out that guys like Regal, Lawler, and Vince do wrestle aside from their other responsibilities, I can live with that.

But the other 3 points should have no wiggle room, as they're pretty much cut and dry.

Agreed?

Vjmlhds February 16, 2008 23:59 (UTC)

Actually I also disagree with 4A. If promos are airing for a return (currently, like Candice Michelle), they should not be re-added to the active list, because they have not returned yet. When "promos are airing for return", it is stated in italics next the wrestler's name in the inactive list. iMatthew 2008 00:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Point taken.

Vjmlhds February 17, 2008 00:11 (UTC)

Can we get a consensus on these 3 guidelines?

1. If you have a title you're active

2. The 4 week rule

3. Documented that you're injured--inactive; Documented that you're back (either on TV or at a live event with reference)--active

Plus I created an "Occasional Wrestler" category because that do get in the ring and wrestle shouldn't be clumped in with those that don't.

Vjmlhds February 17, 2008 00:26 (UTC)

I agree kinda but it might be easy if you put them on "on air talent" and say for instance. William Regal - RAW Manager and occasional wrestler. Steelerfan-94 16:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Page Format

There has been a lot of back in forth about how I have been trying to arrange the page, and it has led to some unintended bad will on my part.

Let me explain why I have done what I have doing.

I was trying to make the format of this page more consistent with that of the TNA roster page.

Over there the personnel is divided out into more specific categories such as announcers, managers, authority figures, etc.

I felt that by doing it my way, it would better show what everybody's role is on that particular brand instead of everybody being thrown into one big heap of "other talent".

I thought my way would be easier to read and let everybody know who does what on what brand without going through the big "other talent" schmozz.

Give my way a shot, and if I get negative feedback, the message will be received and I'll be a team player.

Thank You.

Vjmlhds February 18, 2008 23:17 (UTC)

In the future may I reccomend that when you are considering drastic changes you make the proposal first, and let people come to a consensus. You could even make the changes on your talk page, or a subpage of it, a temporary sandbox if you will, and then link us all to that page as part of your proposal. You will find it a lot easier to get along with everyone here if you are seen as a team player. For 1, I will be moving Big Show, he is set to appear on Raw tonight, but no announcement has been made that he will be a Raw Brand Superstar, in fact, his last appearance in WWE was as an ECW extremist. LessThanClippers (talk) 23:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, previous WP:PW consensus is to list the wrestlers in alphabetical order of the first word in their ring name, whether its a nickname or proper name, ignoring "the." Thus - The Big Show would start with B, Steve Austin would start with S, and K-Kwik would start with K. LessThanClippers (talk) 23:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I reverted your last change because it makes assumptions as to what inactive talent will be assigned to what brand. What you are doing is making predictions, even if they are highly educated guesses, we can't do that. Please see WP:CRYSTAL - LessThanClippers (talk) 01:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Big Show

Who put The Big Show on the roster as RAW talent? has it been said that he is coming to RAW? if so sorry for bringing it up but someone let me know. Steelerfan-94 00:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

No it hasn't been said that he is going to wrestle for Raw. LessThanClippers (talk) 00:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Well why the hell is he on the roster for the RAW talent? Steelerfan-94 00:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to our worldLessThanClippers (talk) 00:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Also should Floyd Meweather (I know I spelled his name wrong) be listed as RAW "On Air Talent? I though this came up on the WP:PW talk page. Steelerfan-94 19:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Big Show is not on the Raw roster, and until he makes an appearance on a show, he will remain in the inactive talent. As for Floyd Mayweather, he should not be on this roster page. This page is not going to add people like Floyd Mayweather or Donald Trump, it goes against what the page is intended for. — Save_Us † 02:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

He'll be competing at a Smackdown/ECW live event in a couple weeks. I know, he COULD be on ECW, but it appears that he'll be on Smackdown. Mshake3 (talk) 02:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Currently since he is in a storyline with Pretty BOy, so he will appear on all three brands until after WMXXIV..So idk ...

TrUCo⁹31¹ 03:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

WWE has listed him as part of their Smackdown roster. It is official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.161.152 (talk) 16:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC) Smackdown. Mshake3 (talk) 16:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Inactive Talent

Why can we not say about how long it will be for a superstar to return if there injured? Steelerfan-94 20:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:CRYSTAL.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 20:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

What I ment to say is how long the injury should take like. when John Cena was injured, Mr. McMahon said at No Way Out he would probably be out 6-12 months, and yes he came back in four, but just a how long the injury should take if they were out for that only, NOT how long it will be before they come back. who agree's? Steelerfan-94 23:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

This brings into question soemthing I've had aproblem with on this page for some time. This page seems to not draw a distinct line between kayfabe and legit. We dont know how long he was truly projected to be out, was it a swerve or was it what they thought. There is no reason we cant source "expected to be out until 6/08" if you have a source that says that, but it has to be sourced. On the other hand, it would be interesting to try and clean up the many flaws blurring hte kayfabe/legit line in this article.

LessThanClippers (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes!! so do you think we can do it? like just yesterday I think it said Rey Mysterio would be out for 4-6 months and it's out of the article faster then a set of rims at a Puff Daddy concerte lol. Steelerfan-94 00:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

How many times has it been sourced the correct day, do you know? Doctors make projections and then websites and insiders get the information. It's not reliable. Doctors make projections that turn out to be wrong all the time. The fact is, any projected date is going to violate WP:CRYSTAL, we cannot make estimated times of events happening, whether or not its a sourced guess or not, it is still a guess. — Save_Us † 01:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I still say no, we are not a newsite, we are not suppose to make assumptions of their injuries and how long it will take. Even if WWE says it, they are sometimes wrong due to trying to stay legit/or in a storyline. We are not a Crystal Ball.TrUCo⁹31¹ 01:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

i think that its a good idea as its only a estimate and it save time checking to see when they might be back mabye its only kayfabe mabye not but its not gonna start ww3 now is it it wont kill anyone so i vote for it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.6.120 (talk) 00:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not a vote. — Save_Us † 06:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean this is not a vote since when do you own the WWE roster page Save_Us?!!! Steelerfan-94 14:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that Save Us was just saying that this is not a poll, it is a discussion, and the IP stated, "I vote for it." Save Us is correct, that this is not a poll, so there are not votes. It is just a discussion. I don't think Save Us was trying to take ownership in any way. iMatthew 2008 14:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Try reading WP:CRYSTAL! Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Problems with this page part deux

1. Why are we listing other personelle, if this is the "Roster" page? 2. This article continues to blur the lines of Kayfabe and Reality, especially when mentioning injury. 3. Alphabetizing - We have a consensus at WP:PW to alphabetize by First letter of first word in ring name, (I will start working on fixing this.) 4. The page is cumbersome to read, we really should consider tables.

Just some thoughts, any opinions? LessThanClippers (talk) 20:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

1) This is a roster page, roster does not stand for 'wrestlers', it means notable personelle in WWE.

2) When something like a injury is kayfabe, its customary to place "(kayfabe)" before the part that is kayfabe to distinguish it. Is there someplace else I'm missing?

3) Consensus here and for listing names is to list it the way it is, i.e.

• Names like Carlito and Umaga: are obvious, alphabetize as from first letter
• Names like Randy Orton and Paul London: List as O and L, those are their last names (legit and on stage, and like naming conventions all over Wikipedia, that is the way it should read)
• Names like Shawn Michaels, Cody Rhodes and Val Venis: Their legit names are not given on television, but their stage names are treated like they are their real names on television, and this list reflects that as well, treating it as the last name going first.
• Names like Big Show: Dispite a first part and last part, this is a stage name, and would be alphabetized as like the other stage names, first letter of the first part, like Umaga and Carlito
• Names like The Undertaker and The Miz: Only difference here is that the word "The" is used. Ones with "The" in front of it are stage names, but "The" is ignored and it goes to the first letter directly after "The"

3) continued: I'm guessing the section of the naming conventions here you are questioning is the third bullet (example with Michaels, Rhodes, etc.). I'm willing to clear up the blurry line there for people who are new, but dont arbitrarly change the whole naming conventions of a page (that has been successful for a long time with minimal problems) because of a !vote on WP:PW, when there was no specific discussion on this page. If you feel an error with these standards are in the article, then feel free to discuss that here (I could name one myself), as we have had over the lengthy exsitence of the article.

4) Tables may be a good idea, I've tried it before, it looked fine, but others didn't like it as much. — Save_Us † 22:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the template idea is a good idea the thing is finding a template that is easy to read. Steelerfan-94 16:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Colin Delaney

I was just reading www.wrestlezone.com and it said that Colin Delaney has signed with wwe last week. Is www.wrestlezone.com a reaible scource?

Please sign your comments!! Steelerfan-94 17:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not reliable. iMatthew 2008 21:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

However, the promotion he originated from CHIKARA is reliable, and they made an official announcement on YouTube concerning his signing. Dahumorist (talk) 01:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Face/Heel

Do you think that wikipedia should put next to the wrestlers should put Face (clean) or Heel (Dirty)--Chrispowellathome (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)chrispowellathome

No, that's just unneccessary, and it'll just clutter up the page. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It is unnecessary. This page is not about their character, just a list of who is employed by the WWE. If you want to see what their character is like, go to their individual articles. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 20:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

If it is not about the character, then why are they listed under the character's name, and not their real names? Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 23:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

No because that is sort of trivial. This has been discussed before and it was agreed not to add it.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 20:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

--80.2.50.106 (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah what would put like for John Cena I personaly love him but some people hate him. Steelerfan-94 19:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

He would be a face. He is written into storylines as a face. Negative crowd reaction does not make you a heel, though enough of it may make the writers have you turn. Edge is a heel, yet he does get some cheers at most arenas as well. That doesn't make him a tweener. His character is a heel, period, just as Cena's is a face. I mean currently. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think Cena would walk before they turned him into a heel. Steelerfan-94 20:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Cena is a face but the fans are getting sick of his character. It wouldn't surprise me if they used this to make him a heel. To make him popular he would have to start doing good promos again. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 21:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Cena has been getting that reaction for a year or more and they still haven't turned him heel. and this isn't a forum so can we keep this discussion to relevance to the article please.Skitzo (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well this discussion doesnt seem to be helping the article.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 22:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

i'm all for it that way we can determin whos whos and for ones thats nor heel nor face we can put nutrul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.127.103 (talk) 10:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

This has been discussed before, and the consensus was not to add it to the article. iMatthew 2008 13:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Drillbit Taylor

I found him on the Raw Roster. Who is he and should he be put on the wwe roster --80.2.50.106 (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Chrispowellathome

Where? I don't see anything about a "drillbit taylor" on the Raw roster. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Drillbit Taylor is the new Owen Wilson movie, so I doubt its real. LessThanClippers 20:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It is still on the wwe Raw roster. Must be a promtional thing then --81.99.45.255 (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)chrispowellathome

Yeah, they've done this sort of thing before. Leonidas was on the Smackdown roster page when 300 came out. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

He is not going to be on the roster, neither is Donald Trump or Floyd Mayweather. They aren't there for anything but promotion, and they aren't going be added. — Save_Us † 00:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Victoria

Does everyone know what happen to happen Victoria after her match with Michelle McCool on 2/15 edition of Smackdown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.137.193 (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum. iMatthew 2008 02:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Stone cold

Why if you go to WWE.com under the RAW roster it lists stone cold? I know we probably shouldn't put him here but what's the deal? Steelerfan-94 14:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

He has been there since about 2005. he is under a contract with WWE Films, and most of his special appearances are on Raw. — Save_Us † 00:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Save Us is correct. He is under contract with WWE mainly for film production. He makes sporadic appearances but that is about it. Not sure whether that makes him an "active" wrestler though. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 20:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely not. He's not wrestled a match (refereeing is not wrestling) in years. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I agree with Gavyn I was just asking. O and I am now known as SexySteelerFan SexySteelerFan 01:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Good for you, buddy. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 03:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

OPW

What is the deal with all of the inactive unasigned wrestlers like Colt Cobana and people like that? Do we know that WWE has kept them? and if so should we maybe make a different page for FPW and unasinged talent for them instead of cluttering up this page? SexySteelerFan 18:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't working on professional wrestling articles at the time of WWE spliting from OVW but I do know that WWE had contracts with those wrestlers. If they aren't moved over to the other developmental territory or brand within a while they might have stayed with OVW. I would keep them on this page and moniter OVW results to see if they are showing up there. I have no opinion on moving the list of wrestlers that may be there or not over to the article. — Κaiba 00:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

A number of sites have reported that the remaining names will be moved over to FCW in a couple weeks. Practically every site actually. haha Additionally, the most recent OVW results had none of the developmental guys on the card. Dahumorist (talk) 05:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ron Simmons

He is in rehab we even said so its not Personal everyone knows if it was personal he wouldnt of told anone Joe ferst (talk) 02:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Source? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, listen to this:

If you're wondering where Ron Simmons has been in recent weeks, well, he recently took up WWE's rehab offer.

The former WCW World Heavyweight Champion is currently staying at a rehab center in Atlanta, the same one as Scott Hall and Jake Roberts. Both Hall and Roberts also took WWE up on their rehab offer.

Simmons was last seen on television at the 12/29 RAW taping in Greensboro in a "Happy New Year's" vignette with Jillian Hall.

credit: wrestlingattitude.com

My thoughts and prayers go out to Ron Simmons.

Joe ferst (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

WrestlingAttitude is not a reliable source. --Cheers, LAX 21:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

If you click next to Simmons name were it is like a link or a note or something it say's that he is in rehab. SexySteelerFan 22:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Im sorry but what rock have you guys been living under? Ron Simmons is in rehab along with Jake The Snake Go to Snakes Myspace and Scott Hall.....It was on wwe.com and has been on the news and everything how could everyone miss it? It even sais on Ron Simmons page!!! Joe ferst (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Brothers of Destruction

I think that The Undertaker and Kane are a tag team, because they're competing as the Brothers of Destruction.I'ts true that they don't wrestle very often, but they are considered a tag team by the wwe. It's not the same case as DX, because when they wrestle they're refered as a one night reunion.

Thanks

You are correct in saying that they are a tag team. If you are trying to stay they are an active team, then you are incorrect. They do not tag regularly at all. Undertaker is involved in a main-event feud with Edge, while Kane is not part of any feud at the moment. If they tagged as much as Cade and Murdoch or London and Kendrick, then they would be considered active, but they don't. iMatthew 2008 22:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Think if we did that the tag teams we could dig up!! We could put Evolution because they were at the 15 year show with Raw. NO we are not putting them there and FOR THE LOVE OF FRICKEN GOD SIGN YOUR COMMENTS COMMENTS!!! SexySteelerFan 22:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

iMatthew & Steelerfan-94 are correct. The brothers of destruction team up every 6-12 months. They are not an active tag team. ^{-GuffasBorgz7-} 00:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Every one knows he is in rehab it was even on the news!!!!!!! Joe ferst (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Everyone knows about who? Why are you posting this under a section about the brothers of destruction? ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 15:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Mayweather

He should be added to the Other on air Talent or whatever becuasr he has been on...... Agree or DisagreeJoe ferst (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

He's not contracted, so he doesn't go into the article. "This is a list of people employed by and/or contracted to World Wrestling Entertainment", as it states at the top of the article. He might be making appearances, but he doesn't have a full-time contract, so no. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Nici. And who are you to call us hermet's we have been doing wrestling articles A LOT LONGER THAN YOU!! But I do admire your will to help. SexySteelerFan 21:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Steelerfan, please remember to always assume good faith, and no personal attacks. iMatthew 2008 21:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

That may be true but he he is getting paid by the wwe all the same he should be lsted as someone whho makes apperences.Joe ferst (talk) 23:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Beverly Mullins

What happened to her? Why isn't she on the roster? Was she released from WWE? and on a side note, is beulah really with wwe? she hasn't appeared for 2 yearsBlackFrostFan (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Until there is a reliable source found for the release of Trisa Hayes, then she will still be listed as contracted. Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 00:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Matt Hardy

[1] Up next Matt Hardy made his official in-ring return (I think this was his first match back anyway... the most recent house show report I found saw him only returning to attack MVP, but not competing in a match). His opponent was Kevin Thorn who had a whole new gimmick. His gimmick was basically that he tried outdoing his opponent in every aspect (poses, moves, and whatnot), and expected the same reaction only to get booed. Hardy won, and then gave Matt Striker (who was managing Thorn) a Twist of Fate.

Matt Hardy should be removed from the inactive section of the SmackDown! roster. --Bigmackdaddy (talk) 10:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

• • They can't be put on the active roster until they've made their televised returnBlackFrostFan (talk) 14:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
    • What? I didn't know "wrestling on house shows" means you're "inactive". Lame. Mshake3 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy

Due to his suspension, he should be moved to the inactive section of the RAW roster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.137.34 (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

He already has been. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ric Flair

Prepare to have your minds blown.

In the newest WWE program guide, Ric Flair is not listed as a member of any of the three rosters. The color scheme is simply yellow, as it is for Mr. McMahon.

What shall we do? Mshake3 (talk) 16:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

This could be a problem do we put him on Raw and Smackdown? I have thaught about this for a while though and it seems that he is on Raw more than the other brands. Or you could take him off all the brands and just put his story line at the bottom with big show and finlay and all of that. SexySteelerFan 18:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/ WWE.com states he is on SD!, which where he should remain. Finlay and Hornswoggle also appear on Raw more often but are still listed on the SD! Superstars page, just as Chavo is, despite being champ of another brand. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's just leave it like this and avoid discussion until he retires in 2 weeks lol Alex ^T/_C Guest Book 22:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess I agree to I was just trying to be saucey lol. SexySteelerFan 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Chris Harris

We should put him on the smacksown inactive list. He made his debute in a dark match at tuesday ecw/Smackdown tapings.Joe ferst (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No we shouldn't WWE uses dark matches before all their tv tapings to try people out and break them into the locker room of the main roster, until he appears on screen he should remain in the section he's in with a tag "wrestling dark matches" added. Skitzo (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Michael Cole

He is no longer the editor of wwe.com so remove that part about him

source: http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=207442294 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.91.210 (talk) 23:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

In less than 20 minutes, somebody is gonna say, quote: "WrestleZone is not a reliable source". It still is true that he was in fact removed from this position, but until the almighty, and most notably, RELIABLE WWE.com come with an official statement, it never happened. --Kaizer13 (talk) 01:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep that's true :) SexySteelerFan 14:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

ECW & FPW

What's the deal with ecw puting on fpw people like James Curtis is he on ECW? it seems like he is on there every other week what's the deal? SexySteelerFan 17:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

He's not on the wwe.com roster page, so he's not officially considered part of the roster. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Jack Korpela

Should Jack Korpela not have his own page and should it not mention that he does the bottom line? AdamAdster95 (talk) 13:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

What? SexySteelerFan 23:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Is he notable? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:45, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

He does the bottom line and occasionaly commitates for heat who knows he could be the next jim ross Adam Adster95 (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Todd Grisham, Josh Matthews and Steve Romero all have pages and Jack Korpela doesn't i think he should. Adster95 (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

He is not yet notable enough for an article. iMatthew 2008 15:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

why not he hosts the bottom line Adster95 (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

This brings me to something, should all of the people on the bottom of the page like Steve Austin, and Big Dick Johnson (You know you can't say that without laughing) have articles because they are notable. SexySteelerFan 15:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The bottom line is not a notable part of the WWE. Lena Yada is an active wrestler, and still not notable for an article yet. Big Dick Johnson has not had any major storylines ever, and is not notable enought. Steve Austin has an article, and is as notable in the wrestling world as George Bush is in the United States. iMatthew 2008 15:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Lena Yada does have an article and she doesn't have major storylines and Steve romero has an article and he isn't as well known as jack korpela. Sorry but i strongly believe he deserves an article. Adam Adster95 (talk) 19:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, create the article in your sandbox and have someone check it before it is put in mainspace then. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

If he is this known and if you create it there is a pretty good chance it will stay. And I see your point iMatthew. SexySteelerFan 23:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

candice is injured

she reinjured her calf its should be added