Talk:Manhwa

Manhwa

So what is the Korean term for a manga-ka? Greyweather 02:57, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

manhwa-ga! Easy, right? =) --himasaram

Manhwa is in fact a Chinese word.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.247.178.132 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 10 November 2004 (UTC)

Hasn't the word been created in Japan, from chinese compounds? (I am not sure, but I think chinese words borrowed into both japanese and korean generally are more alike, than native wrods from both languages)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.198.149.24 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 25 November 2004 (UTC)

Manhwa is a copy cat of Manga!

Manga is a Japanese word compounding Chinese characters. Not Chinese. Korean Manhwa was created later. Of course, we should equally respect Manhwa as Manga but the concept is "purely Japanese". Manhwa is not originally Korean.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.58.40 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 7 January 2005 (UTC)

Outrageous. Do you hear? Outrageous! And to the people below, both the terms manga and manhwa are the words in each languages that refer to all comics, regardless of the origin.

Starshade17 (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

--WTF? It's from the chinese characters 漫画, comic books have been around for a long time, doesn’t matter if you pronounce it まんが　or 만화, it's the same word. What point are you trying to make? --Ce garcon 20:55, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Take it easy ppl. Yes, the combination of the two Chinese characters 漫画 were possibly cocieved in Japan. However it is now widely used in East Asia, so debate of the word's origin is of purely academic interest. Right? I'm rephrazing the article into something more neutral. --himasaram

I agree that this is somewhat a of a copycat, but not for the reasons stated by the anonymous poster. Manga is a very established term for what we would otherwise simply call "Japanese comics", but I've never heard of "manhwa" used to designate "Korean comics" before. Why should we keep this at the native name just because it happens to be etymologically related to the Japanese term? Since we don't keep "French comics" at "bande dessinée", this should apply here too.

Peter ^Isotalo 16:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, manga is just the Japanese word for "comics" as far as it would go in Japan, but they still get called manga outside of Japan to refer to Japanese comics specifically. Therefore, it'd be rather inappropriate to call the Korean comics "manga", when they'd be called "manhwa" in Korea. It may be a different case in a few short years or decades, but for now I'd have little luck getting Korean comics anywhere BUT my local "manhwa-bang". Also, since there are a few things stylistically different about manhwa (most noticeably the direction it's read, but also a few things artistically are more Korean IMO), I think that manhwa should be kept as a seperate article for now. Keep in mind that some people's opinions about manhwa often derides it as inferior to manga, but it'd be impossible to get into that subject and keep it neutral. 68.100.68.23 02:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I do not see the logical assumption of connecting the two DIFFERENT words of manga and manhwa. Yes, the definition and context of which they are used are similar. As both are understood as media that are depictions of anime style art work. However, anyone who have considered and read both types of cartoons, for a lack of better term, know that Japanese and Korean styles are vastly different. Languages, cultural references, ideological viewpoints expressed by the artist through the plots and character interaction, are all some of the major and divisive factors that separates the two distinct manga and manhwa styles.

Manga is a commonly used term to describe anime comic books in the United States (I assume it is true in most of North America, if not Europe). Manga's mass acceptability does not mean that the word manhwa, the standard term to describe KOREAN style comics in the Korean Peninsula and for those who are willing to use the two terms interchangeably in other locations, to be a copycat, as the discussion thread starter refers to it being so.

Let us write a wikipedia article for manhwa, which discusses its distinct content and styles. The word's etymological roots, of which should also be discussed and contrasted in the wikipedia article (because that's what we stand for, thorough and informative articles!), should not disparage a race or culture, or country.

I'll leave you all with a sentence I found, quite enlightening in fact, from the main introductory paragraph.

Although manhwa is distinct from Japanese manga and Chinese manhua, all three terms are cognates.

Gunbolt 00:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

To the top paragraphs...manga and manhwa are NOT the same. Both words are derived from Chinese, as many words in Korean and Japanese are from. Manhwa is the Korean pronounciation, and the Japanese pronounced it manga. Of course, "manga" is more commonly known in the west, since Japan began "manga." Oh, and the title of this paragraph is definitely POV. Manhwa is not a "copycat" of manga. Its just a word. Oyo321 00:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

To top paragraph... Nonsense. Who would say that American comics are copycats of the English counterparts? Would anybody argue that Belgian comics are copycats of French comics? Being in the same cultural region with a lot of common heritage doesn't mean that one copied from another. There are strong influences manga in manhwa for sure, but then again manhwa has also influences from American comics and European as well. Manga also has been heavily influenced by English satire cartoons and American masters such as Disney, Hal Foster and Chester Gould among countless others. Such is any culture. --146.151.104.101 05:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Your argument makes no sense, mr. anonymous.Hellwing 04:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

What Japanese fear from Koreans using the word, Manhwa is that Koreans will insist that Manhwa is originated in Korea without any influence of Manga, and Japanese copied the idea of Manhwa and created Manga. Personally, I believe Koreans will insist so later on, saying Japanese stole the korean culture. I mean, Koreans always do for god's sake. And let me say this. Pizza is spelled "Pizza" everywhere. You might pronounce differently, but the spelling will be always the same in English. You just don't change the spelling. I don't care how it is spelled in Hangle, but it should be spelled Manga or Manhua in English. Koreans don't use chinese characters. Where did "Manhwa" derive from? From Chinese characters. Okay, you might pronounce differently, but a new spelling such as Manhwa should not occur. It's deriving from Chinese characters. Thus, it should be spelled Manga or Manhua.

I've never seen such a thing like Koreans claiming copyright on anything Japanese happen, even as a Korean myself, for god's sake. Putting this aside, even manga is the Japanese way of pronouncing 漫画. Which means, exactly according to your own philosophy, a new pronunciation like manga also should not occur. Besides, if manhwa is a copycat of manga, then the American English is also a copycat. Derived from the British English, it features different spellings (such as honour into honor). Is that what you speak of? ccording to your philosophy, why did the Americans copy the British English and change it to a new spelling, even when such new spellings should not occur? Taking a step further, why don't you go on saying that English is a copycat of Latin and Chinese the copycat of Sanskrit? I wonder. Anyway, this rubbish about manhwa being a copycat of manga is completely outrageous. Starshade17 (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Oho. I suppose you read the damned Kenkanryu. Starshade17 (talk) 13:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

First, I don't think there are many words that are spelled the same everywhere in the world (if there is any). Second, we are using a phonetic writing systems (manga, manhwa, or manhua) because many people can't read the logographic writing system (漫画 or 漫畵). And last, it is very common to borrow words from other languages, it happens for various reasons, you can't call that copy cat. H eristo 14:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

So what? Manga was inspired by American comic books left over from a war & the Koreans do all of the in-between animation for every anime you've ever seen.

I suggest to move this article to Korean comics.

I can't understand why we started to use the word manga. Why didn't we just call them Japanese comics so that we didn't have to waste time explaing the meaning of the word? (Furthermore, note that the difference between the meanings of manga (Japanese comics) and 漫画 (comics) caused another confusion.)

Of course, it's too late for the "manga" case, since it is already established as a English word. But I think there is no reason to spread this problem to cases of other languages. --Acepectif 09:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it's too late for manhwa. Petrusbarbygere 17:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest making Korean comics redirect to manhwa. --Tjstrf 00:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

• I support the move to Korean comics or possibly Comics in South Korea for the exact reason specified.--Trademark123 05:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Requested Manhwa articles

Requested Manhwa articles -- Here's the list of requested Manhwa articles incase anyone is interested in doing them. --Kunzite 16:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Anime and manga

The WikiProject Anime and manga covers manhwa as well. --Geopgeop 11:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. WP:MANGA specifically states that they do not cover Manhwa articles. --tjstrf 07:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

China

So, what is the Chinese word for "manga?" Anyone know? Or is there a word for chinese manga. What about C-pop?? Is there a C-pop like K-pop or J-pop? Oyo321 00:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Manhua. —pfahlstrom 02:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a manhwa article. On wikipedia we need to stick to the subject of manhwa not pop. Jump Guru 01:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

question

Since we have Manhwa section, shouldn't we also have Manhwa-younghwa section? dooly00000

Yup Oyo321 13:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Something bothering me

On the bit of the article that describes how to tell apart manhwa from "proper" manga, something about the first point is bothering me.

• the style the character designs - manwha aimed at teenage girls (which make up the majority of English-translated series) have a distinctively angular style of abstraction which contrasts with the more 'cute' and rounded style of their Japanese, Chinese and western equivalents. This is the most obvious difference at a glance, but does not necessarily apply to manhwa aimed at boys or adults.

Firstly, this really needs a source of some sort because it reads like Original Research. Secondly, while it is at least partially true, I believe it is incomplete information. There are character design differences, but they extend beyond merely the girl's comics. --tjstrf talk 08:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it needs actual research. I'll tell you right away that if the necks are long, it's quickly more easy to identify as a manhwa. Why? Angular faces and long necks are just a Korean ethnic feature, and within most cultures one's own culture is the one that tends to look best, because it's the most familiar (the most generic person you can think of would probably be the most common type of person in your own culture). Korea is mostly ethnically homogenous. Therefore it would make sense that mostly Korean characters in Korean comics would look mostly Korean. Guess someone needs to come up with something that would make that sound more sensitive while pointing out that it's definitely an ethnic featre... being half-Korean I kind of have trouble with this "racial sensitivity" thing. -129.21.96.59 16:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Genres

Does manhwa have demographic genres? What made me think of this is that on the Rebirth article it said shounen. Does anyone know if manhwa has thier own genres and demographic genres? Jump Guru 01:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

German and French wiki

I believed that Korean related articles at English Wiki have more contents than any other wikipedia, but that turns out wrong. I've seen so many Japanese editors POV pushings without any proof for that manhwa is a translated Japanese manga. So I started searching info and found some useful references. I just went to the German and French articles via the interwiki links, they already have well-written history sections and good contents! Thank them in the wikipedia for their efforts. If there is someone who can read those languages, translating the contents to English is good to develop this article. I can simply rebut to some persistent odn.ad.jp users (SoftBank)'s unwarranted claim with the translation. --Appletrees (talk) 22:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Etymology

The etymology and origin of this Korean word should be given: specifically, what are the first instances of the use of this term in print (both in hanja and hangul). Badagnani (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)