Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies

Wider variation

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Is there an article that has a wider variation that is not exclusively for Lesbians, Gays, Bi(s), and Transgenders. I am looking for a word or article that is on the lines of "everything not heterosexual" and would include Asexuality, Autosexuality, Pansexuality, Paraphilia, Pomosexual, Zoophilia and, like i said, anything not "straight". I ask because i feel that people who aren't "straight" are usually grouped into that one social group and stereotype, one common stereotype (for men) that is prevalent is femininity (Effeminacy) if they are not "straight". --Cooljuno411 (talk) 06:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Queer/Queer Studies would probably be what you're looking for. though I doubt there is a single catch all phrase that means everything not heterosexual.The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Queer means non-heteronormative political striving. It does not necessarily refer to what you are looking for. I don't think there would be such a thing within the realm of language, to be honest. Diachresis.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I concur. I do not believe there will be a phrase meaning everything not heterosexual except - non-heterosexual. For the sake of usage, LGBT is much better than queer in reflecting the homo/bi/trans/inter community. goodone (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

We could take a page from Orwell and let 'everything not straight' be known henceforth as "unstraight". Who's with me? Obietom (talk) 16:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

There is non-heterosexuals. Also, I must admit I'm curious to see where this goes. Banjeboi 02:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Can I say that if you're aiming for a word defining a group by who they're not, non-heterosexuals would be a fair choice -- it communicates exactly what you intend: a catch-all "non-typical sexuality" type. (My intuition says most people, straight or otherwise, won't bat an eyelash at the word's "... perceived heteronormativity.") hithereimdan (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

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LGBT project tag on The Kite Runner

On the discussion page for this article at Talk:The Kite Runner (film)#WikiProject LGBT Studies, another editor asks an interesting question about why this film should be considered part of LGBT Studies. I just saw the film and I think he/she makes a valid point. Can someone explain why this film would be considered LGBT-related? I'm very interested in hearing the rationale from someone involved in the project. Thank you. 209.247.22.166 (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I replied on the thread. Banjeboi 20:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Gay non-profit organization

fr:Gai Écoute
Commons:Gai Écoute.

Hello guys, I'm French Canadian from Québec, so my english isn't too good... and I need your solidarity here!! I'm wondering if one of you would be able to start a stub about a gay non-profit organization, who prevent suicide and provides help for gay youth across the eastern part of Canada.

I wrote the French version (fr:Gai Écoute meaning "Gay are listening") and the English version is known as Gay Line. You can find historic and more infos at http://www.gayline.qc.ca/ ... Some pics under GFDL license will be soon available on Commons.

Thanks for your help,
Antaya (talk) 08:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I have started a little stub on Gay Line. Could definitely use some help though.--BelovedFreak 19:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that's wonderfull... I couldn't write this kind of english! Thanx again! Antaya (talk) 05:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Conversion therapy/Reparative therapy

There are currently a couple of discussions at Talk:Conversion therapy regarding whether or not conversion therapy and reparative therapy are the same thing. Discussion are taking place between User:66.30.20.71 and User:Skoojal, and could perhaps use some more opinions. I had a sort-of request to get involved, but am not too familiar with the subject. The threads are Reparative therapy versus conversion therapy and Throckmorton. --BelovedFreak 18:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

The fundamental issue here is that sources have to be characterized properly. If the source of an article refers to "reparative therapy", then it is a misrepresentation to use "conversion therapy" instead. To some extent, this problem can be solved through using direct quotes, so that the groups and individuals in question can speak for themselves. As for the statement sourced to Warren Throckmorton in the conversion therapy article, the way the other editor changed that was extremely misleading, since it implied that it is Throckmorton who is responsible for the term "reparative therapy" or the main person who uses the term. This has to be prevented. Skoojal (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Whistling42's preferred choice of words is, 'Warren Throckmorton distinguishes methods that he considers to be "reparative therapy" from his own method, which he refers to as Sexual Identity Therapy.' This is misleading and totally inappropriate. It is not Throckmorton, but the reparative therapists themselves who consider their methods to be "reparative therapy", and the article must avoid any confusion on this point. Skoojal (talk) 22:41, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Kermit Love

Kermit Love, one of the creators of Big Bird on Sesame Street, died this week. He was gay and had quite a cool career, working with Balanchine and Jerome robbins before going into children's television. Should he be added to the project? Dybryd (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's in the obituary and reffed in the article so shouldn't be an issue. Banjeboi 22:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Rod McKuen?

Here's something Rod McKuen posted to his own website in June of 2004:

Am I gay? Let me put it this way, Collectively I spend more hours brushing my teeth than having sex so I refuse to define my life in sexual terms. I've been to bed with women and men and in most cases enjoyed the experience with either sex immensely. Does that make me bi-sexual? Nope. Heterosexual? Not exclusively. Homosexual? Certainly not by my definition.

I am sexual by nature and I continue to fall in love with people and with any luck human beings of both sexes will now and again be drawn to me. I can't imagine choosing one sex over the other, that's just too limiting. I can't even honestly say I have a preference. I'm attracted to different people for different reasons.

I do identify with the Gay Rights struggle, to me that battle is about nothing more or less than human rights. I marched in the 50's and 60's to protest the treatment of Blacks in this country and I'm proud of the fact that I broke the color barrier in South Africa by being the first artist to successfully demand integrated seating at my concerts. I am a die-hard feminist and will continue to speak out for women's rights as long as they are threatened. These, of course, are all social issues and have nothing to do with my sex life (although admittedly I've met some pretty hot people of both sexes on the picket line.)

Although wishing to respect McKuen's preferred self-labeling (or avoidance of same) per WP:BLP, it seems clear that he is perfectly comfortable being identified as part of LGBT-ness in general. Add him to the project?

Dybryd (talk) 17:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I definitely would and I suggest quoting him. Something like, although McKuen has "been to bed with women and men and in most cases enjoyed the experience with either sex immensely" he also stated on his website he considers himself simply sexual and "refuse[s] to define my life in sexual terms", like bisexual. Banjeboi 23:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Gay bathhouse GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Gay bathhouse and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a few issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article. Please consider helping address the multiple points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have also reviewed Gender which falls under this project and have raised a few issues on the talk page for the article to remain a GA. Please consider helping to address these issues. If you have questions, please contact me on my talk page. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion page

I was wondering if there might be interest in creating a deletion page similar to what the Wikiproject Video Games does here. I have noticed a fair amount of LGBT related articles coming up for deletion over time and it might be a good idea to have a place to house the discussions of them. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes please! Banjeboi 15:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I started it up here. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Great work! Is there a way to add prodded articles? I just saved Transgender Law Center yesterday but were it not on my watchlist not sure if it would have been noticed. Banjeboi 16:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

We could add it to the bottom of the page as another section. --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm unable to add a TfD, why? :-( It's this one. Snif snif, help? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I can not figure it out either. It might be best to add {{tfdlinks|Same-sex marriage footer}} instead and have the reviewer click on the "edit" link to join the discussion. The way templates are organized and kept are different from other deletion discussions. --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I was looking around for an answer to this question and found User:Ceyockey/Notifying WikiProjects of Deletion Proposals. It is a good list of other WikiProjects that use deletion notifications. --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Looking through the list I found Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sexuality and gender. Is what I set up a duplication? --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a duplicate as the same articles don't seems to be in both. It may be good to tie the two to each other. Also if you have the interest it would be nice to post an update to this list with each new article, item listed in case we forget to check up on that page. Banjeboi 16:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

question

does anybody know of a website that takes all the common arguments against homo/bisexuality and rebuts them in as much detail as possible? because I'm always repeating the same old stuff to people (and would prefer not to have to make such a website myself!) :)

p.s. sorry to post this here when its not related to wiki stuff. I didn't know where else to ask