User talk:Nbauman

The four tildes ~~~~ tag goes at the end of your comments on Talk pages (aka Discussion), not in actual articles. All contributions to actual articles are anonymous; only the History tab reveals who did what. Wasted Time R 16:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see my response to you at Talk:Political views of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wasted Time R 02:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

HRC subarticle deletion

As a sometime contributor to the Hillary Rodham Clinton articles, you may wish to weigh in on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural matters related to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wasted Time R 13:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

George Soros Opinions

I appreciate your addition to the Hamas discussion in the Rice page, as the Rice positions on democracy and Hamas have been criticized as contradictory. Nonetheless, Mr. Soros' opinions do not seem to add much to an encyclopedic analysis. Perhaps they belong in the criticisms section. My expectation is there is a better way of approaching the question, although I don't yet have a recommendation.Ohioan1 02:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ohioan1, I thought some of your additions contributed a needed neutrality to the article.

Is there any way for me to send you a private email? Nbauman 04:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

DNA sequencing post

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Your comment on the Talk:DNA sequencing page is perhaps the most precise, even-handed, and well-presented statement of the difficulties of WP:COI I have read here on Wikipedia. Excellent work. MarcoTolo 18:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

DM1/breastfeeding

It seems I reverted your second addition to diabetes mellitus due to an edit conflict. Sorry. I think we should discuss this on the talkpage before adding references. In any case, we should provide full academic refs rather than just a PMID code :-). JFW | T@lk 21:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Heh horse manure.

I have to agree with Mbbradford that the link is only epidemiological, and that a solid immunological explanation is still lacking. JFW | T@lk 22:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Diabetes

Thanks for adding the Rother cite to the article. I've made some changes. You may prefer to use the {{cite journal}} template. This formats the reference in a way that is generally preferred. On this page you can even generate an automatic template simply by typing in the PMID code of the article in question.

With footnotes, you can refer back to the first instance of the cite by using <ref name=Rother/> as I've done in the article now. For more details see Help:Footnotes. JFW | T@lk 06:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS

Thanks for reviewing and contributing to these. I hope you took my recent edit in good humour.

Please review the MEDMOS talk page for the full story and feel free to add some TODO or comments. Cheers, Colin°^Talk 14:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Health savings account

There are numerous errors throughout this page - errors and some flat out lies. Note - just because someone performs a study, doesn't make the conclusions of that study correct.

I don't understand why you feel to undo any change that someone makes? There are entire paragraphs I am reading that are incorrect and contain dated information. Can you please explain your expertise in section 223 regulations and the economics of Health Savings Accounts? Since you are so quick to revert anyone's posting, I am assuming you are a known tax expert in HSA plans and have sold health insurance plans for 20+ years.

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While I have no real objection to removing my poorly worded point about the superiority of an HSA to an IRA, I would suggest that similar comments be added. Not to advocate a particular financial opportunity so much as to point out several things that are not obvious about an HSA. In particular, that they are in fact a viable alternative to an IRA—especially for those who cannot contribute to an IRA—and not merely an component of healthcare financing.

Some of what may not be obvious:

1. Setting up an HSA does not require the account holder to pay accepted medical expenses from the HSA. In fact, not paying them from the HSA in the early years will almost certainly be more tax efficient than drawing against the HSA and will provide more tax-free growth of the sheltered assets than when the assets are regularly diminished through payment of medical expenses.

2. Many people are ineligible to contribute to an IRA either because they lack earned income, are covered by an employer sponsored retirement plan, or their earned income exceeds the limits for the maximum contribution. An HSA is a viable alternative for those people if they also purchase individual health insurance rather than through an employer.

3. If the HSA and associated HDHP are provided through an employer, the retirement and post-retirement medical expense benefits of an HSA should be considered as an retirement account with healthcare benefits in addition to any defined benefit or 401(k) plan offered by the employer.

To focus on the healthcare financing issues with minimal reference to the retirement benefits is to fail to provide information that may be useful to someone in considering their usefulness or value in contrast to all of the competing plans and convolutions of the tax code.

Still, I will gladly defer to anyone who can better articulate the points I tried to make. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.206.124.41 (talk) 21:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

Socialized medicine

Please see the talk page for some comments about your recent edits. Thanks. Kborer 14:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Socialized_medicine a heated argument has broken out with User:Freedomwarrior about whether scholars and medical professionals tend to avoid use of the term "socialized medicine". I seem to recall you once said this and I think you also said that journals will not accept articles for publication if they did use it. Did you say that from certain knowledge?

Actually there has been a certain degree of edit warring going on with the main article. I have pinned some accusations of POV and some others have come flying back at me. I would understand it if, given what has been going on, you have deleted this article from your watchlist.

However, your help in resolving this one issue would be of a little help.--Tom (talk) 21:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wall Street Journal

I guess that for people like me who don't read that journal, but only read about these editorials, the Wall Street Journal is best known for...  :) Count Iblis 00:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Your medicaid edit

Isn't your edit regarding waiting times just an argument against more government health care?--Rotten 15:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

You seem to have an unfortunate misunderstanding of wikipedia's neutrality policy

Nbauman, you seem to lack an understanding of what wikipedia's neutrality policy is. I posted pertinent portions on the talk page of the Hamas article here: Talk:Hamas#NPOV?. Please read them, and read the entire policy so that you can correct your misconception. Thank you. -- Avi 21:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I had posted a detailed explanation on the talk page of the article twice. You compounded your lack of a response with a further misrepresentation of wikipedia policy. Then, when I give you the benefit of the doubt by characterizing your continued activity as a lack of knowledge as opposed to willful misconduct, I am accused of being insulting. Oh well. In any event, consider yourself warned for violations of wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, as now, you have no excuse for having misunderstood it. I hope you take the time to actually read the policy, understand the policy, and then return to the article and contribute gainfully in concert with other editors to enhance the quality of the project. Thank you. -- Avi 13:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

As one of wikipedia's administrators, one of the tasks I am charged with is ensuring proper adherence to guideline and policy. This includes the education of members who are unaware/ignorant of policy, reminders to those who are aware and may have inadvertently or otherwise violated policy, and, when necessary, taking action to protect the project by judicious locking of topics or blocking of editors. You may wish to read WP:BLOCK and WP:ADMIN for more information. Be that as it may, I have politely informed you of your repeated mischarecterization of wikipedia's neutrality policy and pointed you in the proper direction for you to get the information you need to understand what is required of you, as a wikipedia editor, to continue to add your contributions to the project. I am not "threatening" you with anything. I am following the standard policy of ensuring editors are aware of our policies and guidelines, and the ramifications of continued violations/misrepresentations thereof. You now have been informed, on multiple occasions, that your statements and actions vis-a-vis the neutrality policy have been incorrect, and you have been given the information necessary for you to be able to follow policy and guideline. Further violations/misrepresentations of the policy can therefore only be willful, and not out of ignorance, and willful violations of policy are dealt with to prevent harm to the project. Simple, really. This discussion is not specific to the "Hamas" article, but your actions/posting behavior, and as such, is ONLY apropos for your talkpage. Thank you. -- Avi 18:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Lung cancer

Hi, NBauman. Thank you for your comments on lung cancer. Are you aware that I'm planning to submit "Lung cancer" for "featured article" status soon? Please look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Lung cancer. Thanks for your help. Axl 06:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Single-payer health care

The talk page section that you asked about in the comment when you undid my changes today is called "Article title". Kborer 23:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Health care discussions

Hi there. We discussed somewhere in Wikpedia recently about the misleading reporting by a certain institute about so called socialized medicine. I gave some examples of reporting and I recall that you that you said something to the effect that I was being overly generous to the institute concerned and that its output was demonstrably false. I was about to post something that referred to those discussions we had... but to my surprise I cannot now find any trace of them in the talk pages for either Socialized medicine or Single Payer Healthcare or Universal Health Care, or Publicly finded health care or in the history to those pages. Can you recall where it was discussed? I have a sense that there is someone at work on Wikipedia with Admin rights or whatever it is called that is able to purge data without trace and that certain editors here are working to an agenda. Do you have that feeling too? Maybe I am just getting paranoid after weeks of frustrating editing and discussions.--Tom 18:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Tom, yeah, [here] it is. We were talking about the Centre for Policy Analysis, and I said they were "verifiably false". It can be pretty hard to find these things.

I agree that some editors have an agenda, including some Admins. It is true that Admins can purge the page history so that the rest of us can't view it any more, but they do it rarely, and for them to do it in a dispute like this would be an unusual abuse of their authority and they'd get into trouble over it. It's good to be suspicious, though. Nbauman 00:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah OK, thanks. I had a feeling it was the Cato Institute but wasn't sure. --Tom 23:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Lung cancer cure?

Hi, NBauman. "Five-year survival of 67% for stage IA isn't cure, unfortunately". That's why it says "sometimes". :-) Axl 06:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Axl. My understanding is that NSCLC, and almost all lung cancer, is inevitably fatal unless the patient dies of other causes. I'd be interested in a clear statement from an authoritative source on that subject. There was a study in BMJ of how patients (and sometimes doctors) are often unwilling to acknowledge fatal diseases, and they used NSCLC as an example. Nbauman 15:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

"NSCLC... is inevitably fatal unless the patient dies of other causes." Technically this is true; either the patient dies of NSCLC or the patient dies of another cause. Perhaps this is not what you mean? In any case, have a look at this reference. Current surgical treatment of nonsmall cell lung cancer 2001 Axl 16:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Another interesting article: Long-term survival following pneumonectomy for NSCLC. Axl 18:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually that is interesting. The 5- and 10-year survival statistics for lung cancer are fairly low, but there are a few long-term survivors >10 years. I'd like to add a discussion of life expectancy to the entry, if I could find good data. I'd like to see 5, 10, 15 and 20-year survival by stage, which is what you need. SEER has 20-year survival, but not by stage IIRC. Nbauman 19:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't find the data you want. This study is the closest that I found. Axl 16:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Why did you remove my comment?

[1] Just wondering! 86.137.127.139 19:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

By mistake, sorry.

I thought something was missing after I got finished, but I couldn't find it. Nbauman 21:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I tellya, I've had stuff like that happen. I've taken to using the show changes button. It's a lifesaver. superluser_tc 2007 September 20, 22:20 (UTC)

Oh that's OK :) On big pages like that it's easy to miss some stuff. 86.137.127.139 09:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh and thanks for putting it back. I wanted to but wasn't sure if I was allowed. 86.137.127.139 09:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

New York City Meetup

New York City Meetup Next: Saturday November 3rd, Brooklyn Museum area Last: 8/12/2007

The agenda for the next meetup includes the formation of a Wikimedia New York City local chapter. Hope to see you there!--Pharos 20:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

about Finkelstein and JaapBoBo

Nbauman,
There are numerous scholars who do not claim that the 1948 exodus was an ethnic cleansing and JaapBoBo is aware of that : Efriam Karsh, Shabtai Teveth, Anita Shapira, Benny Morris, Tom Segev, Avi Shlaim, Yoav Gelber, David Tal, ... In fact only Ilan Pappe uses this and maybe Walid Khalidi.
And among these scholars there are numerous other major disagreements on the causes of the exodus.
JaapBoBo found a sentence where Finkelstein says "the serious scholars think the way I think" and he claims it is not a pov on the causes but a general (neutral) appreciation of an alleged (but non existing) consensus among historians.
Please, do not defend such offending manipulations.<br.> Ceedjee (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If you find a consensus among scholar here, please tell me what it is : Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. Ceedjee (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the place to discuss this is the talk page of the entry.

However, to respond, I believe that Finkelstein is a reliable authority as defined by wp:rs.

I'd like to know which scholars Finkelstein cites to support his claim. Nbauman (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

None. Of course.

He just says : "if an historian doesn't share this mind with me, it means he is not serious".

He doesn't say : "I have surveyed historians and among the serious ones, there is a consensus that share my analysis."

Ceedjee (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Passive smoking

Hi, Nbauman. I saw that reference in Lung cancer. Like you, I am very sceptical about the validity of the reference. After some digging around, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that passive smoking causes lung cancer. Thanks for reverting. Axl (talk) 08:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

WSJ

Hi, thanks for your comment on the WSJ talkpage. Please see my comment in the same talkpage on the issue raised. Thanks. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 02:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

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Have a barnstar...

I was cruising through some articles on healthcare topics, and noticed that Canadian and American health care systems compared was not just a bunch of useless POV statements, but a fairly comprehensive, balanced article. Upon further investigation of the talk page, I see that you played a large role in keeping the article that way. So, for your efforts...

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your efforts to keep "controversial" health care articles, specifically Canadian and American health care systems compared and Socialized medicine, balanced and factual, and doing so in a calm and intelligent manner. Green451 (talk) 04:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad you noticed. Nbauman (talk) 05:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Please tell us more about yourself

Editors of medical and scientific article like to know the level of education of fellow editors. Your personal page is too short to be useful. Please tell us more about yourself. Emmanuelm (talk) 14:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I prefer to let my postings and cited sources be judged on their own merits. Nbauman (talk) 15:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Pseudoscience talk by ScienceApologist

Feel free to post the notes. ScienceApologist (talk) 18:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought your notes captured the talk rather well (Not one of my strong points, writing *and* listening). Kudos to you. We should do that more often. Thanks. — Becksguy (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Nbauman (talk) 23:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Electrocardiogram

Hi. With regard to your recent edits, the heart does not create electrical waves when it pumps. Rather, it pumps in response to the electrical waves it creates. It is electrodes that are connected to the skin. The electrocardiogram does not give information about the strength or weakness of cardiac muscle. The fascicles in the electrical conduction system are not nerves. I would not substitute the word 'salt' for 'electrolyte' and potassium is more important than calcium. As a stand alone comment, it is false that the ECG measures the pumping action of the heart. Overall, with regret, I would have to say that you did more harm than good to the article. I would prefer that you revert the changes, post your changes to the talk pages, and take comments. The lede simply isn't accurate anymore. It needs to be as simple as possible, but not more so. Best, MoodyGroove (talk) 03:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Fine. We'll take this up in Talk:Electrocardiogram. Nbauman (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I really don't appreciate your tone, Nbauman. This isn't personal on my end at all. MoodyGroove (talk) 00:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

I don't understand you. What do you mean? Nbauman (talk) 04:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

Interested in getting the information out there, I think I jumped the gun on the Chronic lymphocytic leukemia‎ article. I'm still learning, and have done a lot of research on wikipedia editing since last night and this morning. Thank you for your valuable input. In the future, I will suggest new information such as research that could POSSIBLY be helpful on talk/discussion pages first. -JasonSpradlin82 (talk) 16:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

JasonSpradlin82, I'm glad you weren't offended. Dealing with current research really is a problem on Wikipedia. OTOH lots of people are interested, OTOH we don't want to over-emphasize new treatments and I don't know how to choose from the thousands of new studies that are going on. Maybe it's something to discuss at WP:MEDMOS. Nbauman (talk) 19:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan

Please explain your objection on the talk page. I have already done so there.Ultramarine (talk) 08:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Crohn

Hi,

I have removed the statement from the lead for two reasons. Less critical, but still important, is that it is in the lead of the article - as such, it should be sourced, and discussed, below in the body. Placing a statement like that in the lead also places undue weight on both the idea, and it's eventual source. The lead should summarize the most critical or salient points, and unless the drug has revolutionized the disease and very quickly, there's not much reason to single out one new drug.

Second, per WP:PROVEIT, information that is challenged must be sourced by the person who wishes to add the information, not the person who removes it. And having a {{fact}} tagged statement in the lead of a page like Crohn's disease, which is very long, very referenced, and a medical article (thus WP:MEDRS and WP:MEDMOS are in effect, which also raising the bar for the quality of sources added), really seems inappropriate. If natalizumab was just released, and it is a valuable treatment that deserves mention for being far more effective than previous medications, it should a) be easy to find articles about this on [www.pubmed.org pubmed] and b) be actually mentioned in the body. Thanks, WLU (talk) 17:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Citation tools

In case you were not aware, there are a variety of tools that allow you to generate citation templates quickly and without error:

• Citation templates
• pubmed/isbn template generator, incredibly useful, uses the pubmed number or isbn to automatically generate a citation template for you
• Google scholar autocitation, a google-style search engine and reference generator. Useful when the article doesn't have a pubmed number (old, social sciences or humanities).
• ISBN search tool
• tools, but the above are my favourites to date

Diberry is my favourite, combined with [www.pubmed.org pubmed], but the google search tool is good as well (though the formatting is messier and it does not fill in the ISBN for books).

I found the Cochrane reference for natalizumab on the google search one - it also fills in urls and access dates for full text articles.

Thanks, WLU (talk) 23:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try them out. I knew there were tools like that somewhere on Wikipedia, but now I have the link where I can find it again. Nbauman (talk) 00:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I thought you had known - I figure over a 1000 edits and everyone knows everything, forgetting what a rube I was at that point. There's also WP:TOOLS which has a selection (though I find the diberry and google ref are great and have only recently supplemented them with the ISBN search to avoid amazon's slow site). You may also want to look into WP:POPUPS, which are very handy for the diff preview alone, though one-click reverting is also very nice. User:Wikidudeman has also made something called hodgepodge, which combines the best features of half a dozen java tools, but does not work with internet explorer (otherwise I would use it, it's very impressive).

You may also want to archive your talk page, as it is pretty long, which makes it harder to navigate and takes a very long time to load when the editor is using a slower connection. If you paste the following template at the top of the page, it'll archive automatically, using User:Miszabot.

{{User:MiszaBot/config | maxarchivesize = 250K | counter = 1 |algo = old(7d) |archive = User talk:Nbauman/Archive %(counter)d }}

By changing the algo to other figures, you can adjust when the sections are archived - 7d is 7 days, 30d is 30 days, 72h is 72 hours. maxarchivesize adjusts how big the archive will get before it starts a new one. WLU (talk) 00:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

New mailing list

There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it! Cbrown1023 talk 21:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Proprietary names in med articles

I wonder if you could agree with the version I am proposing, at least from the point that it does no harm, and allows mention of a brand name every time the generic name is wikilinked. Paul Gene (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to MCB

Hi there, welcome to the wikiproject. If you have any ideas, suggestions, or questions please drop me a note on my talk page. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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Free trade

I am apologising in advance - I will try to help balance the free trade article, but am extremely short for time. I think there is an issue of framing (employment vs consumer benefits) - but may not be able to assist as much as I had hoped would be the case.--Gregalton (talk) 20:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Gregalton, I'm not asking you to do a lot of work (that's up to you). I just want you to give your opinion on the balance of the article. I think that would be very helpful. Nbauman (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

myc

Your opening paragraph is incorrect. See my comment on the myc discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.78.130 (talk) 17:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Herpes simplex

Hi Nbauman, I couldn't hep but notice the small conflict beginning on the herpes simplex page over race/gender issues in the lead paragraph, so I wrote directly on the concerned user's talkpage to invite them to comment on the article's talkpage - they may be a new user that is not completely familiar with WP procedures so may not realize there was a discussion occurring there! I agree the sentence is question is a little clunky and might benefit from rewording - maybe some compromise can be worked out! Best wishes, ~ Ciar ~ _{(Talk to me!)} 17:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm trying to use it as a teachable moment. This issue comes up regularly. I didn't think of using the talk page of an anonymous user. Nbauman (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I am a new user. My issue with the sentence is that you are taking seroprevalence data, and making a statement about risk factors based upon that data. Seroprevalence data of virus infections is not the same as risk factors. I have no problem with mentioning what percentage of the populuation of women, urban, racial, etc. have the HSV virus. But to say that simply having sex with a female, black person, poor person, or a city dweller puts you at risk of HSV2 is applying personal bias to the data. The risk factor of HSV2 is unprotected sexual contact. If you just limit your statement to the data without trying to apply an interptation (sp) to the data i will be content. Until then I will deleting that biased sentenced. (I did notice that you were previously lectured on Wiki's bias rules). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.165.104.101 (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

So sorry to butt in here - the risk data doesn't actually mean you are at higher risk of acquiring HSV infection if you have sex with the listed groups of individuals, it means the listed individuals show a higher risk of acquiring the virus themselves, from whatever source. Maybe we could move the discussion to Talk:herpes simplex? ~ Ciar ~ _{(Talk to me!)} 20:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, let's take the discussion to Talk:herpes simplex, which is where it belongs. I'll be glad to continue it there. Nbauman (talk) 21:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment on AfD

That comment you have made in the AfD on Intro to genetics about Madeline "wanting something deleted since it competes with her work" appears a little harsh to me. From my reading of her discussion that isn't the motive she has at all, and she appeared much more concerned that it was becoming a textbook-style instructional article. I don't often ask people to edit their comments, but considering that it would be good for us to all work together smoothly on this, would it be possible for you to rephrase that sentence? If you could that would be great. All the best Tim Vickers (talk) 16:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

If you think so I'll follow your lead. I didn't particularly appreciate her accusing me of not having read her article, but I won't escalate it. Nbauman (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that's much appreciated. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions the last edit you made to that page is this one. It must not have been saved for some reason. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008

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Anthracycline

Do you mean anthracycline or renin-angiotensin system (cf. my message at Talk:Renin-angiotensin system)? I do agree the Anthracycline lead is far too short and not lay-friendly enough. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I've tried expanding it a bit, and removed a (somewhat inaccurate) sentence that referred to the chemical structure of anthracyclines. Any better? Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Human papillomavirus

You may want to revisit the Human papillomavirus related articles. I note your thoughtful identification of certain issues here [2]. You might also find the HPV vaccine article to be of interest as well. [3] [4]

Best Regards, Doright (talk) 21:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:MEDMOS Please comment.

Dear NBauman

The following addition is being discussed at WP:MEDMOS: "Where possible, it is preferable to reference review articles or other secondary or tertiary sources instead of primary sources (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Reliable sources)." I would appreciate if you could comment on both appropriateness and the content of the addition. Thank you Paul Gene (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

"Why is this spam?"

Note that in my edit summary, I wrote "spammed". I removed it as spamming because the editor responsible added the links and nothing more to multiple articles. Further, adding a link to the Epocrates Online site is definitely promotional, in violation of WP:EL and WP:SPAM. I've left the link you reinserted, but am not sure that it offers more information than what's already provided. --Ronz (talk) 16:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

This discussion belongs on Talk:Major depressive disorder, but I'll answer it here anyway.

I reviewed the link to Epocrates Online. It adds a peer-reviewed summary for doctors, with a vignette, and treatment recommendations. BMJ is a reliable source of clinical information -- one of the most reliable in medicine. I think that's a valuable addition to what's already provided.

Many of the other sources in the entry are subscription-only, so people can't verify them. They can see whether claims in the article can be verified in Epocrates Online. I think that's a valuable addition.

I don't understand why it's promotional, any more than eMedicine, the Merck Manual, or any of the other sources that WP regularly links to is promotional. If there was a subscription fee, I would have deleted it, but it's free.

I'm familiar with WP:EL and I don't think it violates WP:EL. Which specific provision of WP:EL are you referring to?Nbauman (talk) 16:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

You can move this to Talk:Major depressive disorder if you like.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. There are two links that I removed that you reverted. If you look, you'll see that have left the Epocrates Online Depression link in, and have removed the Epocrates Online link. I think the Epocrates Online link is promotional. --Ronz (talk) 17:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Why is Epocrates more promotional than eMedicine? Nbauman (talk) 22:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are referring to. Please give me the exact link. For example, I've been referring to my change of "Depression at Epocrates Online" to "Depression at Epocrates Online". The second link served no purpose other than to promote Epocrates. --Ronz (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Second Annual WikiNYC Picnic

Greetings! You are invited to attend the second annual New York picnic on August 24! This year, it will be taking place in the Long Meadow of Prospect Park in Brooklyn. If you plan on coming, please sign up and be sure to bring something! Please be sure to come!
You have received this automated delivery because your name was on the invite list. BrownBot (talk) 20:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Survey request

Hi,
I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted, because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions.

Thank You, BCeagle0312 (talk) 03:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Herb Stein ref

You're right, thanks for putting that back. CRETOG8(t/c) 03:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Reminder

This is a reminder that the WikiNYC Picnic is tomorrow (August 24) from 2 PM to 8 PM. If you plan on being lost, be sure to come ahead of time! To clarify, the picnic will be taking place within or adjacent to the Picnic House in Prospect Park, Brooklyn. I hope to see you there! --harej 03:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Consensus or silence?

In regards to the consensus policy on Wikipedia, it seems to be much deprecated. What everybody is using instead is WP:SILENCE essay: "Consensus can be assumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident (typically through reverting or editing). You find out whether your edit has consensus when you try to build on it. In wiki-editing, it is difficult to get positive affirmation for your edits. (Disaffirmation comes with a revert.)" Thus, if you want to have your views heard, you have to revert the guideline status. As Burke said: "No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Paul Gene (talk) 13:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Paul, sorry I wasn't there to add anything to the discussion. I just spent a week getting a lot of work done, and had no time for WP. I was wondering what was going on here in my absence. Nbauman (talk) 02:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Lucky you :) To sum it up, Colin started an edit war, and Davidruben improperly used his admin privileges to protect the version he likes. See my post at Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources_(medicine-related_articles)#Administrator.27s_poor_judgement_and_improper_actions and comment on his user page [5]. I am doing an Rfc on his actions [6]. Paul Gene (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)