User talk:Ryan Norton

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Ryan's Admin Barn

The International Symbol for Party over Here!

You probably know the story by now, but in becoming an administrator, you need a bigger award than just a barnstar in my opinion, and therefore you get a random large building usually used for farm animals, agricultural equipment and hay. But as random large buildings go, this one kicks ass ;-). Let me know when you know the admin inauguration party! Karmafist 22:14, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
P.S-I've got a question on Userboxes and you seem to be fairly proficient, i'll ask ya later on that.

Microsoft

I don't think distribution of employees is essential information, just interesting. One thing I have frequently read is that Microsoft has a large presence in Ireland. Economy of Ireland mentions its presence in the country twice. Same goes for the board. If the annual reports don't give useful information, it might have to be left vague. My ideal images would be the interior of some Microsoft buildings showing staff at work and products being developed. Getting such image would be very difficult. Some image of products would be good, but we could quickly run into fair use problems. - SimonP 02:08, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Answer

My desicions are based up, user experience and activity, personal experience of user (if any), asnwers to question, and users Philosophy, as well as other factors. --Boothy443 | comhrá 07:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and take a peek at this when you get a chance. --hydnjo talk 18:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

WP 1.0

RN,

I noticed that you signed up for the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team recently, and I was wondering what areas you wanted to work in. I have put in a lot of "infrastructure" recently so we can coordinate our efforts, and there are already several Wikiprojects actively looking to find or write quality articles for us. I suspect from your user page you would be great at helping us get article assessment put right there as a tab on every page, this would make the WP 1.0 project a breeze! Please let me know what your interests are. Thanks, Walkerma 14:37, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Everyking

You wouldn't be the first to try mediation, and I'd be surprised if it succeeds, but go for it. Snowspinner 15:08, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

All I wanted was for him to agree to refrain from doing whatever I also agreed to refrain from—if you can get him to agree to that, we've got a deal. But like Snowspinner above, I'm rather pessimistic, considering he preferred to reopen the case rather than agree not to criticize me. Everyking 16:34, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I would like the agreement to be what it originally was, which was that Everyking was not going to criticize me. I made a gentleman's agreement at the time that I would not bait or go after him, which I have held to. I continue to have no intention of criticizing him with any regularity, or making a comment except on a matter that directly relates to me. In fact, I have generally avoided participating in discussions on AN/I and other pages where he has already weighed in just to make sure I'm not antagonizing him. Snowspinner 21:35, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

My problem is this - Everyking and I had an agreement. He may not have been much fond of it, but we had one. He made the agreement so the arbcom case would stop. Now he's pulled out of the agreement suddenly so as to extract additional concessions from me, this time in a field unmediated by arbcom members and the possibility of consequences. Which to me is really dishonest - he should hold to the original agreement, or he should submit to the arbcom consequences he avoided by making it. He shouldn't make the agreement and then back out and try to renegotiate it as soon as he thinks nobody is looking. Snowspinner 22:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

The stuff about me not "researching" things is all nonsense. Either I do research before commenting (probably 2/3rds of the time), or I make my comment one that deals only with what has been presented there on the page I'm reading and does not extend beyond that (which is probably the same thing that most people do on most occasions). The "not researching" thing is something they made up to excuse their attempts to silence me. No, I will not accept the deal as Snowspinner interprets it—it has to be fair to both sides. He would not be stubborn about it unless he intended to make further attacks on me in the future, or at least wanted to keep his options open about doing that, and frankly I'd rather have somebody else inflict injustice on me than inflict it on myself by accepting such a thing. Everyking 23:53, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Have one on me!

Take care, Molotov (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Fictional portrayals of Bill Gates

Whew... I was about to remove the list myself, but it was gone by the time I had finished writing :-) Thanks for improving my addition, too. You've done a great work overall with this article. Fredrik | talk 10:42, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Cyberbullying

• I have further expanded the current stub and outlined my suggestions for further expansion on the talk page. I would be grateful if you could have a look. Capitalistroadster 10:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to you

• Oh, sure. It was fun. Believe me, if Jimbo made a fiat tomorrow that all schools are gone, I'd be happy to have the thing settled. And, if I were better with templates, I'd send you one of those "peace doves" from the Wiki kindness committee. :) Xoloz 15:53, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

OwenX's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA. Your kind words are well appreciated. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your RfA! Owen× ☎ 22:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Speedy Tags

Hi, I talked to you about me being a good editor on Redwolf24's talk page, and I'm just wondering. Today I've speedy tagged a lot of articles. I know its not a bad thing to do, since a lot of articles are just nonsense that should be deleted, but is that frowned upon or something by Wikipedians? I'm just wondering, I'm also wondering if I should do it a little less, and just start working on fixing articles, more than RC Patrol. Private Butcher 22:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

"frowned upon or something by Wikipedians" not at all. If they are invalid and don't meet any CSD criteria they do tax the time of the administrator who looks over it though. Otherwise, I'm quite sure its appreciated - its really up to each person to decide what to do in that situation. The rule is basically just to do it however you want :) - I'd just make especially sure with speedy tags that they are valid. RC patrollers are always welcome - and of course a great way to inflate your edit count. I will add though that if you are doing RC patrol to keep on eye more towards nonsense edits in established articles and tagging untagged/unsourced images as the speedy articles are generally easier for admins to handle :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 22:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, and the RC patrolling thing is just a suggestion, as often times you'll just get an edit conflict with an Admin who has already deleted the article. However, if that doesn't happen to you much I'd just continue as normal :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 23:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Alright thanks, and good luck on your RfA. But do you know what's going on with these anon users doing this "suspected sockpuppet of Archive13" on a lot of things? I do enjoy editing wikipedia, so I try to help out as much as possible, and I probably don't know a lot about wikipedia, even though I've been here for "a while", like how people act and how all things work between people and what not, but I'm trying to learn it all, that's why I asked about the whole speedy tags thing. I try not to get in any conflicts or anything, I try to just be like a quiet user, which seems to work, since I'm not really noticed. Thanks again for the help. Private Butcher 23:06, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of not getting noticed much, its somewhat nice that I'm not really bothered by anyone, and I can just help out. But its also bad that I don't really get to have the whole "wikipedia experience", since I'm so unknown that I don't really talk to other users that much. I'm just telling you, I know you don't care. Private Butcher 23:53, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I care of course - I don't really get a whole lot of chat on my talk page either - so you're not alone there :). Also, I'm not really sure what you mean by "suspected sockpuppet of Archive13" - you mean when you see it on a user's page or something? Don't worry too much about being a quiet user - often quiet users succeed easily on an RfA, for instance (only a few odd people will oppose if they don't know you...). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 03:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

By "suspected sockpuppet of Archive13" I meant, some IP users have been vandalising pages by added that box with that inside. I've gotten it on my talk page, and some other pages have gotten it, it might of stopped but it was going on for awhile yesterday. Also quiet users succeed easily on an RfA? Really? I've always wanted to be an admin, but I know it couldn't happen, I'm not that good of a user, and I have high standards for who should be an admin, and that would probably be held against me by users anyway. So I'm never going to self-nominate or anything like that, maybe someone'll nominate me, in a year or so if I stay active like I am now. Private Butcher 16:49, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I have always wanted to be an admin, but after today, I'm pretty sure it'll never happen. So I crossed out what I said. Private Butcher 20:18, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

userpage tags

sorry my edit somewhat screwed up your userpage but I had to remove a couple of images that were in violation of copyright law. The Opera logo, the Windows Logo, the Firefox logo to name a few are only valid claims to fair use when used on article space. If you have any questions please leave them on my talk page but please know that I know idea how copyright law works however I have word from high above that this is the case in terms of fair use. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 03:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I don't disagree - but those are templates so you should change the template itself... :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 05:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA

Dear Ryan: I would like to thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I am most honoured by the trust that has been placed in me by yourself and other members of the Wikipedia community, especially since I did not conform to the standard edit-count criteria usually expected of administrator candidates. I promise to only use my administrative privileges to assist the community in doing good work, and also to be calm, considerate and careful in working to make Wikipedia a better place. I hope to continue seeing you about on Wikipedia, and I look forward to continuing to work with you. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 03:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Extreme MJ support

Ryan, how's it going? I just supported you in your RFA, and am glad to see it's a done deal. I do have one question though, which I didn't want to ask you over there. Once you're an admin, you're likely to have newer users visit your page for help on WP. Could you consider removing the following remark from your User page: MICHAEL JACKSON PAEDOPHILIA SUPPORT WITH EXTRA CHILDREN!!!!!

I know that this is intended to be a joke, but it is exceptionally distasteful (IMHO). Joking about sexuality is one thing; remarks in that vein over some of the most horrifying of human tragedies, I find difficult to view as jokes. This category includes, IMHO, children who've been the victims of pedophilia, victims of genocide or war, people who've been subject to depraved acts of brutality, etc.

I know that this is essentially me asking you to change your page because there's something on it that I can't stand, and in that sense may be viewed as presumptuous. I have little defense to that, Ryan. I guess I'm just hoping you might also see enough merit to this view to agree with removing it. All the best, and good luck in your admin career! I know you'll be spectacular. encephalon 11:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about it :). I just moved the possibly-offensive stuff to a subpage - is this ok for you or would you rather see it gone completely :)? Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 15:20, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

LOL. No, I suppose that's fine. All the best. encephalon 16:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey there!

No problem, anytime! I left another more explanatory note on Kitkatsavvy's page too. --HappyCamper 16:42, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

School articles

Thanks for your note. Sometimes I feel like I'm doing this all alone, but it's important to me that a line be drawn somewhere. I think pointless school articles is as good a place as any. BTW, um, thanks for the Cutting the Cheese award. You may or may not know that "cutting the cheese" is a North Americanism for farting. I will assume you didn't know. Denni☯ 22:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

LOL! Yeah I know its meant to be sort of a spoof award for humor (you are the first to get it I guess, LOL) :) - probably belongs in my tastelesshumor section though. Also, feel free to take a break from those discussions as they can get rather heated :). I'll be sure to chime in on the next school AfD too - Thanks again! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 22:51, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

for the congratulations, and for nominating me in the first place! I wouldn't be an admin right now without you. :) And, I hope to be able to return the congratulations in just a few days, when your own RfA closes! - Brian Kendig 03:35, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Aranda56 RFA

I want to say thanks for your time in voting in My RFA. I closed it early because of course the result was obvious and im probaly going to try again after a few months but not a self nom though Ty for your good comments as well --JAranda | yeah 04:04, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi

I haven't even been on for four days (unfortunately, work interferes with Wiki), so my stress level is fairly low right now (at least, as far as Wikipedia is concerned.  :) ) User:Zoe|^(talk) 07:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Happy Birthday

Thank you, fellow editor named Ryan. Acetic'^Acid 06:06, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks For The Support!

Re the Rfa Vote. I look forward to being an admin with you! :-) Karmafist 14:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Macedonia

I'm a little confused on how to fix this redirect...Culture of Macedonia currently redirects to Macedonia which redirects to Macedonia (region) when it should redirect to Slavic Macedonian Culture. How do I fix this? freestylefrappe 19:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC) I went ahead and redirected Culture of Macedonia to Slavic Macedonian Culture as that's what makes sense to me... Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 20:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wayward

The vote here link for this user leads to your voting page. CambridgeBayWeather 02:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Fixed - thanks a million! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 02:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Australian fauna

You're right, I totally forgot that. I'm pretty sure, though, you could've done it yourself without getting in trouble if you noted my support vote in the edit summary. :) Be bold! Thanks for reminding me anyway. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Allow me to be the first...

(drunk singing) For Ryan's a jolly good fellow...

...to congratulate you for your more than deserved adminship, Ryan! And since I bet an avalanche of congratulations are on the way, please let me set the table up for the party. Now go to the fridge and get the beers! Hugs! Shauri smile! 23:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats...

...on your new role as admin. Now you get to do the dirty work too. Welcome aboard! Denni☯ 23:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

OpenBSD

I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to actually read through the entire article, though I disagree with much of what you said I am happy just to have someone tell me anything they think is wrong with it, since up to this point few have commented more than to tell me I've done a good job at the workover I've given it. Janizary 02:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats

I noticed your RfA closed a few hours ago, so I poked Cimon to go and promote you, thus, a user I welcomed is now an admin. Now, please, Refile that MC nomination!!!! Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 03:44, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, more cheese for you then, <grin>. Naturally, you can help out TINMC at any time (even when you aren't an admin), you don't need to file or refile, or submit forms in triplicate either! ;-) Kim Bruning 09:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi, you are now a sysop.

I probably need not bothering to advise you to read the fine manual, or do research into the other neat stuff. Welcome to adminhood. As your first act that is only allowed for sysops, you might add your name to the list of admins at List of administrators. -- Cimon avaro; on a pogostick. 03:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on adminship! Dlyons493 Talk 11:58, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

History of Limerick is FAC

Thanks for your help with the peer review of the History of Limerick article. This article is now a featured article candidate. Please vote here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/History of Limerick Seabhcán 14:01, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

my RfA

thanks for supporting me in my RfA. --Monkbel 17:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Acorn Computers

Hi Ryan, I've left some information in response to your query over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Acorn Computers regarding stock performance and corporate structure. Hope that clears things up and also that you might consider supporting it for FA status! Cheers. TreveX^talk 21:33, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Democratic Party (United States)

I have done many of the things you suggested, and I would like to know if you think this article is ready for featured-article candidacy. --Revolución (talk) 22:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

medcom

Refile curse you ;-) Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 00:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Active months

Its more like people look at your first edit and just assume you've been here since then. No one looks at activity, which I feel hypocritical and superficial to judge someone by their first edit or any form of days spent. I feel we should be judged by hours spent. Oh by the way, I have an RfC against me. Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 03:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:RfA

Likewise! And my bear said so too! Karmafist 03:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Your Vandals Were EATEN BY A BEAR!

Congratulations

And thanks for the message Molotov (talk) 03:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA

Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 03:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

re: Your RfA

'Lo mate, replied here. --Blackcap | talk 03:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Whew... just made it in time

And, Congratulations! --hydnjo talk 04:11, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought I voted and then when I scanned through I missed seeing my own vote (hows that for being observant) so I voted (again). No harm intended and again CONGRATULATIONS . Y'all deserve both votes.  ;-) --hydnjo talk 05:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congrats and you're welcome! I know, from observations, that you will make a great admin. Maltmomma ^(chat) 04:53, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations from the land of the blizzards! CambridgeBayWeather 04:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on yr adminship! and try and get some articles featured. User:Nichalp/sg 05:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

No problem, congrats! Banes 05:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on adminshhip hope u enjoy it. --JAranda | watz sup 22:34, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Yet more congratulations

Congrats and you're welcome! :) ManekiNeko | Talk 07:28, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on becoming an admin, and you're welcome. I initially thought that you were one. Have fun. Oran e (t) (c) (@) 15:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Virtual Magic Kingdom

I really appreciate you stepping in to mediate! What I'm especially looking for is for someone to weigh in on the specific edits which MagicKnight and I are disputing; if you have a chance, could you have a look and offer your opinion? - Brian Kendig 14:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Ryan!

Dear Ryan, besides from bringing you one more beer and congratulating you again for your newly achieved adminship, I simply wanted to thank you for your recommendations to improve Texas Ranger Division at its Peer Review stage. I addressed all of them with utmost care, and I'm sure that without them, the current FAC stage would have been even harder than it is now! Take good care, and hugs! Shauri smile! 00:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

NAMGLA Article (dispute?)

I would like admn to edit (not delete) the NAMGLA article so it is neutral, then lock it so it cant be vandalized.

NAMGLA Discussion

152.1.139.51 00:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)(Anonymous User - 152.1.139.51) 8:53pm 13 October 2005 (EDT)

Archiving WP:AN/I

Hey, Ryan, I reverted your archiving of WP:AN/I because you took out some active discussions (particularly, about the vandal bot). Just so you know. Titoxd^(?!?) 00:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

A trap?

WRT to your actions in the Macedonian Slavs article, it seems to me you may have been a little hasty. User:REX was party to the multiple redirects, and was actually aware that the redirects (initiated by User:Bomac) were to happen before they did. Once the predictable mess occurred, User:GrandfatherJoe (whose contributions page looks suspiciously like User:REX's) hastily requested admin help to "sort out the mess" and, lo and behold!, User:REX concurred. So now the article and its talk page are locked into a state where their title represents one of the POV's disputed therein. You must admit that REX-and-GrandfatherJoe dealt you like a deck of cards.  :-))))) Chronographos 01:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Yep, its in m:The Wrong Version. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 01:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate the humor, but I was actually pointing out how you were manipulated by the very perpetrators of the problem you tried to solve. Chronographos 01:15, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Listen, I'm not going to take sides on this thing - its already heated enough as is :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 01:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Besides, I have half a mind to rename the thing to "The people known to some as Macedonians and to others as Macedonian Slavs" 01:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I feel for you, it must be one of the boringest things to outsiders. Except you did take sides in the strongest form possible, if you think about it. Actually renaming the articles "The people known to some as Macedonians and to others as Macedonian Slavs" would have been a total hoot. I love it! Chronographos 01:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC) (We Greeks call them "Skopjans". Ah, the possibilities ....)

OK - I renamed it again. I'm sure it'll make some people unhappy though. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 01:38, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks anyways; the important thing is for the redirects to have been sorted out. I trust you did that the right way, because I am so unfamiliar with the workings I would have never done it right myself. Three cheers for Patrick Fitzgerald! Chronographos 01:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC) (totally unrelated ........... maybe :-)))

Please read Wikipedia:Naming_conflict#Dealing_with_self-identifying_terms. It's not about taking sides, it's about implementation of Wikipedia policies.--FlavrSavr 07:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I believe by wikipedia policy dictates it should be just "Macedonians" or something like that. I believe the problem here is that there are two groups which call themselves that, or something. So, maybe the "correct" way is "Macedonians (Slav)"? Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:16, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I know both of you have an obvious POV on this :). Remember people - COMPROMISE!!! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

The two groups you are referring to use that term as a regional identifier, while only this ethnic group uses it as an ethnic identifier. Besides that, effectively no one refers to Greeks and Bulgarians living in Macedonia as "Macedonians", while the vast majority of resources refer to this ethnic group as "Macedonians" without the Slav add-on. See the resources at Talk:Macedonian_Slavs/Poll#Resources. Frankly, I don't see a reason why Wikipedia shouldn't call this ethnic group Macedonians, when Britannica, Hutchinson, Columbia, CIA World factbook and many others (all encyclopedias, actually, except MSN Encarta) do that. Moreover - the NPOV policy says that: Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views.

The Macedonians (Slav) term doesn't help much because there are other Macedonians (Slav) - namely the Bulgarians living in Macedonia who happen to be Slavs living in Macedonia, as well. On the other hand, there is only one ethnic group called "Macedonians". The Greek Helsinki Watch refers to them as "ethnic Macedonians". Also, most Macedonians find the term Macedonian Slavs derogatory - (The BBC officially apologized for using this label - [1]. It's simply an anachronism to use Slav as an ethnic identifier. --FlavrSavr 07:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Here's what ChrisO (the creator of the Wikipedia:Naming conflict policy applies it (I copy/pasted this from Wikipedia talk:Naming_conflict:

Criterion	Option 1 Macedonians (people) ‡	Option 2 Macedonian Slavs
1. Most commonly used name in English	1	0
2. Current official name of entity †	1	0
3. Current self-identifying name of entity †	1	0
1 point = yes, 0 points = no. Add totals to get final scores. † Use English translation of name, where available ‡ Disambiguation is required to distinguish between the multiple meanings of this term.

What do you think about this? --FlavrSavr 07:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I know that we should reach a compromise, but not at the expense of the NPOV policy. Some Greeks find the Macedonians (nationality) name acceptable. And let me remind you: We are the ones who are offering compromise in the first place - we do not require that the Macedonians article should be exclusively reffering to our ethnic group. Also, it is the representatives of the Greek POV, who rejected Mediation. I would also remind you that the same people offered a really strange interpretation of the NPOV policy here: Talk:Macedonian_denar/Vote. The template they have offered was deleted (all non-Greeks voted against it) - I am not surprised that people still come to this page and reject their proposal with loathing. --FlavrSavr 07:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I do not intend to counterargue here: that would be imposing on RN's good will and hospitality. I am guessing he is not that interested. See you in Mediation in mid-November, FlavrSavr. Chronographos 08:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

re: Microsoft copyedit

Your very welcome. And thank you for the admin nom. I'll try to work on the Microsoft article some more. It's such a large article that it's hard to tackle all at once, which is why I gave it just a quick go through. —Wayward 03:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)