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Letters from fans

BASEBALLS BUGS IS AN UGLY IGNORANT FOOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.49.166.166 (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Hello from your fellow user in California. I wish you all the best, and since I see baseball is an important subject for you I shall share with you that I am a near life-long Los Angeles Dodger fan...I still remember the first time, many years ago, when I walked through the concourse at Chavez Ravine and saw my heroes on the green diamond backdropped by mountains and pastel-blue walls. Best wishes and by all means continued principled editing. Lantana11 (talk) 04:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 04:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Never been to Fenway, but it's on my short list of must-do's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lantana11 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeh--this has got me ruminating. Wrigley must be something; the colors! Green, Cubs blue and red. And to a baseball lover maybe even the Metrodome would be a great sight, especially for today's kid who could feel the ghosts of Puckett, Morris, etc. Lantana11 (talk) 04:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 04:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Been to Fenway many times; never Wrigley. But when the Cubs vs. Sox World Series happens, I will get out of my rest home or wheelchair or crypt and be there. PhGustaf (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Bill Veeck--now there was a guy who knew what it was about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lantana11 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course--and what do people remember about the Chisox of the late 70s? Not that they were a so-so team, but they were fun and people started enjoying coming out to Comiskey. Wish I had visited that grand old park, and Tiger Stadium and Memorial Stadium in Baltimore too, among others. Geez, come to think of it I haven't been to very many places! The Anaheim Stadium of the 80s, enclosed for football--that wasn't exactly one of those "diamonds are forever" experiences. Lantana11 (talk) 20:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 20:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It is happily true that the game itself is what endures and is most important. When I was going to college in the Bay Area I can remember my buddies and I sitting among 8,000 or so on a cool September night at the Oakland Coliseum ("The Mausoleum") watching, say, an obscure Athletics-Mariners game. Those of us who were there loved every minute of it. It is strange to think that decades ago, when the NFL's popularity lagged far behind that of MLB, pro football games were awkwardly squeezed into baseball parks (Forbes Field, Shibe Park, Milwaukee County Stadium, even Wrigley); this even predated the much-maligned symmetrical "cookie-cutter" facilities of the 70s (Riverfront, Three Rivers, Veterans). Hope I haven't droned on and bent your metaphorical ear too much here today! Lantana11 (talk) 05:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 05:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

So you were there to see Sayers and Butkus?...One of the enduring images we fans have of the Bears at Wrigley is that of George Halas waving his arms lecturing the officials with a backdrop of the outfield-wall ivy waning in the December freeze. I saw the Rams at the Los Angeles Coliseum quite often, and I am old enough to remember a trip to see the 49ers at S.F.'s Kezar Stadium, the concrete bowl jaggedly shaped to fit along the edge of Golden Gate Park. Lantana11 (talk) 00:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 00:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I truly believe that our affection for those old settings we've mentioned is more than merely personal, that real character and uniqueness existed there that today's "state of the art" edifices cannot duplicate--at least not for sixty or seventy more years. Most people shrug it off by saying that "those were simpler times..." "ah, the days of our youth..." etc.

Lantana11 (talk) 06:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 06:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree entirely. Closeness between the fans and the game is still there, if you love the game, but elusive today. In my opinion, many of today's stadiums are really theme parks where you can see a game. When minor-league ball seems more removed from us, things really have changed. By the way,I've had the opportunity to see California League games in such locales as San Jose and Palm Springs (at the park where Gene Autry's LA/CA Angels once trained)--great experiences; it's a ball game and you're there to see it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lantana11 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I've seen "Bull Durham" more than once, and the attention accorded the DAP thereafter did seem to make the park too famous for its own good. I wonder if attention and fame for a stadium, like a person, can beget self-importance and self-consciousness. And then once it's realized that this is a cool place, everybody jumps on the bandwagon and it loses a certain quality of coolness. It's no longer for the connoisseur. But then this really hasn't happened to the likes of Wrigley and Fenway, has it? Just mulling it over...though I really don't know that much about Veeck I like the fact that he offered fun witihin the confines of a baseball game and didn't beat fans over the head with "We're making Comiskey 'fan-friendly' for you."Lantana11 (talk) 08:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 08:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Each in his own way, Veeck and Wrigley were owners the like of which we do not have today. They were big men. I seem to remember that Wrigley, like the Giants' Horace Stoneham and others, oversaw his team in a kind of benevolent, low-profile way; he loved his team and its fans and was disappointed but never furious with his employees during losing times. Veeck, a showman but a baseball man foremost, simply reveled in happy fans and happy times at the ballpark. I think with owners as with players, there were giants in those days. Of course some owners could be famously tight-fisted too... even Walter O'Malley, who had the wherewithal to do pretty much as he pleased, could and did draw a hard line (regarding finances and principles alike--the 1966 Maury Wills trade for example, but that's another tale for another day). Yes,I indeed remember when the term "The Friendly Confines of Wrigley Field" was almost an insider's thing--as if Wrigley and its unique charm (suspending games for darkness! 14-12 scores!) was for the purist fan (which I claimed I was, no doubt erroneously) who demanded more than the average place-setting for baseball. Dodger Stadium at least never had to deal with something like this; it's neither a beloved relic nor a post-modern state-of-the-art park. so its overall perception and image has never changed much. Even for such recent renovations as altering the lower level and eliminating the "dugout seating" (where the ever-present, Panama-hatted Mike Brito stood with his radar gun), advertising stuck on every dammned flat surface, and absurd ivy grown on the bullpen walls :( it remains a representation of the era of its design-- a kind of "mid-century modern" stadium. Lantana11 (talk) 22:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 22:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Football naming conventions

Hello, thank you for taking part in the ANI regarding me. I know I may seem like a vandal, but my moves were honestly made in good faith. For a summary of my beliefs on the matter, please read WP:FNC and tell me what you think of it. Tavix (talk) 21:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

		Merry Christmas!
		Template:Sound sample box align right Template:Sample box end Baseball Bugs, here's hoping you're having a wonderful Christmas, and here's also hoping that all your family and friends are well. Lets all hope that the year coming will be a good one! If we've had disputes in the past, I hold no grudges, especially at such a time as this. If you don't know I am, I apologise, feel free to remove this from your page. Come and say hi, I won't bite, I swear! It could even be good for me, you know - I'm feeling a little down at the moment with all of these snowmen giving me the cold shoulder :( — neur ho ho ho(talk) 00:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:24, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:NCSP

Your recent meaningful participation in an ANI on sports-figure article disambiguation suggests that you may be interested in participating one way or another in the development and/or discussion of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople), a draft proposal to clarify Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) as applied to sports. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 04:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Baseball Bugs! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One ^{White cat} 11:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

	<font=2> HHoyC (Happy Holiday of Your Choice)! Ebyabe (talk) 16:58, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Obama

It seems that a couple of editors have changed the religion part on the Obama page without any attempt at discussion. Please look at it and perhaps encourage them to revert and come to the talk page.Die4Dixie (talk) 19:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Slightly belated Merry Christmas

Hey, Bugs! Haven't been around much lately, and I forgot to stop by here yesterday - but the very best wishes for the holiday season to you and yours. I've always admired your neutrality and political insight, and I have to say you're my very favorite Barack Obama supporter in the whole wide world...from one of the 48 to one of the 52, I'm looking forward to sparring with you (and agreeing with you whenever it's justified) over the next four years. Anyway, God bless you and keep you, my friend. Kelly ^hi! 20:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Non-disruptive

Again, just because your delicate sensibilities were disrupted by a general statement directed at no one in particular does not mean that it is disruptive to the project. The needless drama-mongering and strong-arming is what proved to be disruptive to the project. Read up on policies, guides and other related pages before further involving yourself into situations; also ensure that arguments are sound before latching onto them, else you do no one any favors. لennavecia 21:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

You're wrong. It was directed at SheffieldSteel. Its author is just not willing to admit it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

It was not, in text, directed at SS. It was a general statement. You can assume or conclude that it was directed at anyone, but it doesn't matter. I can go to my talk page or anyone else's and say whatever I want about you or anyone else, but as long as I don't name names, there's not jack you or anyone else can do about it. There was nothing in the statement to suggest it was about any specific person. If you want to come to the conclusion that it's about SS because he's an admin with no manners, then that's you, but it doesn't violate any policy. You have yet to point out specifically which part of which policy was violated. So far it's just been a lot of crying and wikilawyering over a vague sentence. لennavecia 04:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The user who posted it is / has been the one doing the wikilawyering. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 07:03, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

And since SheffieldSteel is happy with their compromise, I'm fine with it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 07:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Joe the Plumber occupation-mania

Bugs, you're my friend - I've been watching Joe the Plumber for a while without getting involved. Can you explain the occupation-mania at that article? Why is there such hysteria about whether he is really a plumber based on differing interpretations of licensing requirements? Does it really matter? Barring his recent book-writing gig, if he's not a plumber, what is he? A laborer? I admit I find this whole thing sociologically fascinating. The whole "not a plumber because his papers are not in order" seems unAmerican and I don't think I've seen it's like before outside of the legal and medical professions. I can understand the root sentiment (I'm military, and we refuse to call any old gun-toter a "soldier") but this instance is the first case I've seen the standard applied to blue-collar occupations. Kelly ^hi! 22:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The current push to label his "occupation" as "unemployed" males me think that Truman's profession is now "dead" by the same rationale. Collect (talk) 22:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Beats me. My occupation is whatever I say it is. If I'm a plumber and I get laid off, I'm unemployed, but my self-image is still a plumber, and I'm just "between jobs". Seems like excessive pedantry. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Kelly ^hi! 22:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

There is a catch, though. I can say I'm a medical doctor, but if I don't have the proper license, then I'm not. And that's probably the core of the argument - that he was only a plumber when he was working for a truly licensed plumber, and now he's not plumbing anymore. However, he could hire on with somebody else tomorrow, and he'd become a plumber again. Or, arguably, he never stopped "being" a plumber, he just stopped "doing" plumbing work for awhile. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

That's part of the catch - Collect made a big deal that he was a plumber while employed as such. Now he isn't. But there's a much more basic reason to stop calling him a plumber: Joe spends his time these days doing other things and we have ample support of that. I would argue Collect's fenzy to maintain this "plumber" status is not based on what we know, but what he wants.Mattnad (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Third person comments are such fun, eh? I want the articles on WP to accurately reflect facts, not election games. Last I checked, John Glenn is still an "astronaut." I think perhaps you should go to BLP and suggest the change in how infoboxes are filled out rather than leaving tracks across userspace. Collect (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance

Hey Bugs, could you take a look here and give an input on the discussion for this FLC? I think we need some neutral parties. We're trying to decide whether it's important to show managers elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame as players as Hall of Famers in managers lists. I know, confusing, but let me know if you can help out. Thanks! KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Mark Teixeria

I noticed in your edit summary at Mark Teixeria that you said to stop reverting verifiable information, well I know I can speak for myself, I was reverting vandalism from an IP, that kept saying he had signed with the Orioles, so that's why that info probably got removed, cause I know I didn't intentionally remove it. Thanks.--Iamawesome800 16:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was talking to the guy who keeps removing the Yankees tentative signing. I've had enough of that nonsense for now, so you won't see my name on that page for awhile. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:30, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I have to say, I agree with you, I mean what's the big deal with saying he agreed to a deal.--Iamawesome800 17:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Obsessive pedantry. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Yup. I agree with you 100%. Its unfortunate that there are two editors that think they WP:OWN all the free agent bios and won't allow the siging into the lede based on misapplied WP policies. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Bugs, might you be interested in re-joining the Teixiera question at WT:BASEBALL? I'd like your opinion on the proposed compromise. I know things were getting a little heated, but I'm trying to see if we can generate something that's acceptable for a consensus. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 23:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Are they trying to get a compromise before he officially signs? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Guess I was wrong.Die4Dixie (talk) 07:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your comments at ANI

If you want to take up a matter with me, please do so either here, or at my talk page. The current ANI is about a different situation than the football one. That is past us and I already said that I wasn't going to do it again. Also, I would like to know how I lie? I wasn't aware of lying. Tavix (talk) 22:43, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep it at ANI, please. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Will do, but I would like to say that this is a different matter. You still didn't answer the question about how I lie. Tavix (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep it at ANI. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 22:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The ANI has now been resolved and so there is no further reason for me to post there. This is geared specifically at you and is off topic from the ANI anyway. Frankly, here is what my question boils down to: Do you hate me? Tavix (talk) 23:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I hate no one on wikipedia. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I was just checking because you did seem pretty hostile to me at one point. Tavix (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hostile only to some editing behavior. Don't take it personally. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Tavix (talk) 05:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Help with adoption and wikistalking

What would you do if an editor went to a userspace page for someone else' adoption and then warned the editor about comments made there? Isn't think some type of wikistalking? Padillah (talk) 23:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Baseball Bugs. You have new messages at Padillah's talk page.
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Loved the Will Rogers quote

That was an awesome quote at Talk:John McCain presidential campaign, 2008 - made me laugh out loud. As a matter of fact, it was so awesome it was like awesome on a stick, with awesome sauce on it. :) Kelly ^hi! 01:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I've always loved his stuff - it's just that I never heard that particular quote. Thanks again for making my day. Kelly ^hi! 02:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I've always really liked Coolidge as well as Rogers - I think Coolidge was one of our best Presidents. However, I think I'd have to give the Best American Humorist title to Twain. Kelly ^hi! 03:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

FDR

We never had fiat money before FDR either :).Die4Dixie (talk) 06:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The way I look at it, FDR offered hope while the GOP offered despair, and the people voted for hope. Then we got WWII and became a world power. Would that have happened under the GOP? Or would we have been better off not to be? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I would argue we were a world power under the the Monroe doctrine and when the good Roosevelt carried a big stick. Even Benito Mussolini praised FDR as a good facist before the US's first salvo in WW II.Die4Dixie (talk) 06:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

At quick look turned up this [[2]]. ( and I woke up thirsty, see below!)Die4Dixie (talk) 18:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Indulge me a little , I'm a good way into a half gallon of Evan Williams. but I love these kinds of discusions away from the article talk pages :).Die4Dixie (talk) 06:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Talkin' 'bout Talkin' Baseball

Trust me, I'm not sure even Don McLean knows the meaning of everything in "American Pie" -- and if he does, he's not telling. The experts are still debating it *grin*.

As for this song, the lyrics have been up since the creation of the article five months ago. It's nice to have them there so that we can plot out the links, so hopefully Mr. Cashman won't mind. -Dewelar (talk) 06:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

No text is ever "safe" in wikipedia. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

AIV

No, no, no. I did not mean that. i meant that the creation of the spurious username for the purpose of making a fake RfA nom was vandalism, not your perfectly correct report of it. Please accept my heartfelt apologies for not making that clearer. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 20:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Compromise

This is a kitty

A cat to ease all of your troubles

This is a templated message

Happy New Year!

Hey there, Baseball Bugs! Happy new Gregorian year. All the best for the new year, both towards you and your family and friends too. I know that I am the only person lonely enough to be running this thing as the new year is ushered in, but meh, what are you going to do. I like to keep my templated messages in a satisfactorily melancholy tone. ;) Congratulations to Coren, Wizardman, Vassyana, Carcharoth, Jayvdb, Casliber, Risker, Roger Davies, Cool Hand Luke and Rlevse, who were all appointed to the Arbitration Committee after the ArbCom elections. I am sure I am but a voice of many when I say I trust the aforementioned users to improve the committee, each in their own way, as listed within their respective election statements. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to update the 2009 article, heh. Best wishes, neuro(talk) 00:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

What the hell res must you be running at for that to happen? :S — neuro^(talk) 01:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks fine to me at 1024 and 800. What's your browser? — neuro^(talk) 01:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I blame IE ;) — neuro^(talk) 01:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Compromise ;) — neuro^(talk) 01:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and...

I trust you've read this article analyzing Baseball Bugs? [3] --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:05, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Great stuff. d:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Rules

Resolved

 – The gallant admin smites the uncivil heathen with the Wrath of Indef Block

As gleaned from User talk:Jakezing ...

>Rules for my talkpage.

1. Try keep your posts short and to the point.
2. If I told you not to edit my talk page, don't. If it's a warning, head to rule 4.
3. If you're going to post threats, insults or harassment, I will revert your edit and I won't reply, but an admin might.
4. If you've come to talk about rules with me, don't expect much. I know the rules Damn it, and I'm tired of telling people that. Leave me alone about it, and go fix the bigger problems.
5. As this is my talkpage, I reserve the right to remove comments.
6. Do not EVER edit my rules.

>"If you edit these You shall incur my wrath."

That seems a little harsh. Maybe the Barney Fife approach:

"Here at 'the Rock', we have two basic rules. Memorize them so you can say them in your sleep.

1. Rule One: Obey all rules!
2. Second, do not write on the walls...as it takes a lot of work...to erase writing...off of walls."

Or this time-honored variation:

1. I am the boss, and the boss is always right.
2. If the boss is wrong, refer to rule 1.

Famous last words just before indef block, a.k.a. "D'oh!"

In Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Film09

"I am a member of the New York, Michigan and California Bar and now you are crossing the line. I plan to subpoena Wilkipedia as to your information because you have committed a major error in your accusation which is actionable in a civil suit. In the spirit of the New Year I will settle for a apology on this page asap." --Carolrubensteinesq (talk) 05:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

In Talk:Eurozone

"As my talk page history showes; annoying me is a quick way to get insulted" --Ssteiner209 (talk) 07:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Completely non-creepy notification

Teledildonics. I'm not a sex fiend, I swear. Dr. eXtreme 00:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)