Talk:Ephesus

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Some Missing info:

It would be nice to see something about the sewer system at Ephesus. Anybody that has visited there, expecially the ones from cruises, would have taken the tour of the city. In the tour, the guide talks about the sewage system, the lavatories available (to the elite), and a few other interesting facts about the ancient city. The sewer system, for instance, would still work if necessary, and is over 2000 years old Kingerik 15:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I have photo's of an exposed sewer line, the baths, and the lavatory (with a person sitting in the photo). I can't figure out this site, however, if someone has the interest to post these photo's I will email them to you. Email me at steevum AT gmail dot com.68.148.104.154 05:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Belongs To...

Does this site belong to the Greeks, Turks, or Christians?

• What dou you want to ask? Area/land or ruins/theatre/stadium-historical heritage? Or basicly Ephesus article of wiki?

Area/land is a part of Turkey.
Heritage is a part of all world.
Article is belong to all editors/readers. Is it helpful? Regards Mustafa Akalp^TC 17:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Ancient city of Ephesus flooded

Ussher writes the following for 292BC: "The city of Ephesus was located on low ground, and some time later was completely flooded by the sea. In Stephanus Byzantinus we may read an epigram made by Duris, concerning this flood. Lysimachus moved the city to another place and rebuilt it, calling it after his new wife Arsinoe, but after his death the city quickly assumed its old name of Ephesus (Strabo, l.14,c1,s21 6:221) (Stephanus, de Urbibus, on Ephesus). To populate his new city, he Lysimachus destroyed the two cities of Lebedos and Colophon and relocated their inhabitants to the new city. Phoenix, in his poetry, grievously deplored this action involving the destruction of these two famous cities. (Phoenix, Iambics) (Pausanias, Attica, l1,c9,s7, 1:47).

So the Greek and Roman Ephesus are not quite the same place - but similar enough to be recognised.

Sittingduck123 19:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

BC and BCE are the exact same thing. Just because the source used BC does not mean that we have to use it too. Khoikhoi 00:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

As it is all the same, I have reverted to my terms. You may use BCE in your own original research. Sittingduck123 10:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC) (See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers))

Mary's house

"said by the Roman Catholic Church" suggests that it is a teaching of the Church. It is not. The belief that the house was the home of Mary is merely a popular belief of individual Christians. The Catholic Church's designation of it as "worthy of belief" is merely a statement that it may be true or may not but is ok to believe if you want to.

Meyers Konversationslexikon map

I brought the historical Meyers Konversationslexikon map over from the German Wikipedia version of the page; I see no good reason why it shouldn't be here too, as it's both useful and classy. Perhaps it should go somewhere further down the page, however.

Krinsky 17:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Camel fights in the ancient theatre

I think it's a disgrace that camel fights are still taking place in an ancient theater. It just shows how much some people respect ancient munuments and the culture they stand for. Some centuries age, it used to be tragedies and comedies, now it's camel saliva foams dribbling on the antique marbles...

Weasel Words

"The house of the Virgin Mary (Turkish: Meryemana, meaning "Mother Mary"), about 7 km from Selçuk, is believed by many to have been the last home of Mary, mother of Jesus and is a popular place of pilgrimage."

"is believed by many" is an example of weasel words (Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words). Perhaps make this more specific ("according to popular lore")? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brilliand (talk • contribs) 22:20, 14 October 2006

Article needs map

This article needs a map clearly showing exactly where in Anatolia this place is. Badagnani 06:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani 06:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Images from Ephesus

My Internet side http://olafzesewitz.de/gallery/tuerkei/ephesus/ can supply meaningful supplementing pictorial material to the article. The pictorial material published there by me is not subject to restrictions of use in this format. The decision over screen selection, Upload and/or mounting an externally link on my web page I would like to leave to the authors of the article. --ozes

Name

The Articles Name is -us (like in Latin) although it is Greek (-os). So why isn't it "Ephesos"? Greets,Saippuakauppias ⇄ 23:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I imagine that the reason the name is -us is because that is the generally accepted spelling in English.Bwilhiteforex (talk) 19:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Quotes from the "Scholar", Curtis Hudwalker

The only reference I could find online to Curtis Hudwalker without the word "notes" in it was this one, a personal one: http://www.globalguide.org/index.html?title=Curtis_Hudwalker&PHPSESSID=ab5f507f1f7f81cdfc7cc925a998dcea

! I think we have been had! For quite a while, too. This quote is in many Wikipedia and derivative articles. BTW scholars should generally not be quoted inline. It makes them more important than the subject. e.g. "Student7 says this arch is the greatest in Ancient Greece." (Wow. If Student7 says it, it must be true! I wish! :) Student7 12:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Brothel sign

The article states that there is a tunnel leading from near the Library of Celsus to a brothel and its entrance is marked by various symbols. Having visited Ephesus several times and led tours around the site, I suspect this is a garbled reference to the symbols incised on the pavement of "Marble Way", about half-way between the Library and the Theatre. Thus it is not exactly "near"! To the best of my knowledge there is no tunnel anywhere near this bit of graffiti. The symbols consist of a woman's head and shoulders - there is a panel beneath this bust, but whether it contains a price or not I cannot say; a left-foot (notable for the length of the middle toe, long middle toes were characteristic of the Romans); and a heart-shape which is filled with small pits or dots. On some Roman statues such a pattern of pits or dots was intended to represent facial hair, so it is my opinion that this heart-shape is intended to represent pubic hair, a fitting symbol for a brothel. Kendall K. Down (www.diggingsonline.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.231.220 (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right. I've removed this wrong information. Having visited Ephesus twice, I've seen those symbols and there is certainly no tunnel leading to it. JoJan (talk) 16:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

HittiteNameLeadingToTheAncientGreekName

We need to add the info that the Greek name was derived from the earlier Hittite name of the city when it was founded.

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Here, in the Ayasuluk Hill, starting from the Prehistoric period, indigenous people of Anatolia and the Hittites settled down. Later, the city was probably Apasas. About 1050 BC the Hill was captured by Androclus and his men and was started to be called Ephesus by time (fig. 8). ... 1)[1]

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