Talk:Daniel Negreanu

PokerStars

As of June 2007 he is a member of PokerStars. I think this should be mentioned. http://www.pokerstars.net/team-pokerstars/daniel-negreanu/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tucson Indigo (talk • contribs) 06:20:26, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

"Kid Poker"

He didn't think that one through, did he? LOL, Good one.

Uh???

I really think the "struggled with a reputation for alcohol abuse" is speculation and irrelevant at best, and should be deleted. Would the user who posted this information provide the sources for such a claim? I have read poker forums on the internet where various people suggested that he was drunk based on some aggressive comments he made, however I hardly think that warrants an entry on wikipedia. Him responding to the claims does not necessarily give it any legitimacy - he said he responded to the claim because, as he put it, it was "absolutely insane". Online forum speculation is not grounds enough to warrant an entry into wikipedia. Also, is the information about the feud with Annie Duke necessary, especially considering it isn't even mentioned in her entry? Why not then mention his allegations of cheating levelled against Men Nguyen, his "heated" dealings with Mason Malmuth and David Sklansky (Mason in particular), or for that matter, every feud that every professional poker player has had, or was speculated to have had, with every other one? I think this would be somewhat impossible to do, and largely speculation or non-notable in most cases, so I think this should also be considered as irrelevant on Daniel's entry and thus removed. Anyone else have thoughts on the subject? -- User: JasperCornelius

He's posted a few times on his blog about his experience with mixing alcohol with poker, where he lost a lot of money, sort of bordering on abuse: I woke up not remembering even one detail of any hand I played that night. I had no idea if I’d won or lost until I went to Bellagio the next day and noticed that there was $70,000 missing from my safe-deposit box. Some links: [1], [2], [3]. This is of course a different sort of problem than the belligerent comments on Usenet. -SpuriousQ 04:36, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow... Thanks for that. Yeah, I had only read those comments posted by those who seemed to have a personal vendetta against him on the usenet-related boards and so I doubted the validity of their statements. After reading Daniel's articles about it, I still doubt somewhat that alcohol was responsible for his comments (seeing as though the feud in question happened post-2000 - a time where Daniel claimed to have stopped drinking to an incapacitating level) but I suppose the alcoholism claim is somewhat verifiable. Still, I'm not sure if the details on this single feud is necessary or even as a result of alcohol at all - as I mentioned before, Daniel has had a number of relatively high-publicity feuds with various individuals, and to implicate alcohol in all of them (or any of them, for matter) is probably speculation and unprovable information at best, and utterly false at worst. Unless there's something else I'm missing out on? - JasperCornelius

I agree 100%. I think the best thing would be to have one paragraph dealing with his feuds and another about his use of alcohol. After all, they are both fairly interesting and well-documented. -SpuriousQ 11:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed too. I don't really see how the two are connected at all (apart from through speculation) and there are other feuds which certainly deserve mentioning if the Annie Duke one is worthy of a mention at all. If anyone else who follows "celebrity" poker players is reading this, I would also like to get your thoughts on whether a section about his feuds is appropriate. I don't think one paragraph would suffice (because I can think of at least 3 which deserve mentioning), and also, if Daniel's feuds are listed then other major players' feuds should be listed too. This would be both a laborious task not to mention the fact that objectively assessing highly subjective situations with limited information is challenging and possibly not worthy of being put into an encyclopedia. All-in or fold? - JasperCornelius

video game

Daniel is the featured player in a new video game called STACKED that uses the Poki artificial intelligence poker engine by University of Alberta Computer Poker Research Group. I added an external link to the video game, but it was reverted (spam link). Maybe a more appropriate link would be I'm Stoked About STACKED by Daniel Negreanu. His participation in bringing this innovative AI-based poker engine to the general public seems noteworthy to me (at least compared to some of the other stuff in the article). --Toms2866 01:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Servicing Men

Removed the line about servicing men. I am guessing that it wasn't true since there wasn't a source cited. However, feel free to prove me wrong. Ilrosewood 05:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Vegetarian

Vegetarian and loves sushi? I dont get it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.136.59.38 (talk • contribs)

I don't get it either. That should probably be worderd differently. 80.221.157.153 19:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Do we really need the Tournament finishes of over $50,000?

This article is the only one that has a list of Tournament finishes of over $X0,000. I propose that we remove it, because none of the other poker player articles have that kind of list. I'm open for any ideas. Red Director 18:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should put only the WSOP bracelets, just like the other poker players articles.SinKid 17:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

good point. This goes against the article standard, and includes very trivial info. 2005 (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree I see no reason to remove that information. Ngreanu has the information because some added it other players should also have such a section people havent added because of time not precedence. The information is unbias, factual, and relavent is that not the main criteria for article acceptibility? 63.76.234.250 (talk) 15:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

This information is not on other poker player articles and adds nothing to the article anyway since it is available via the Mob cite. If you want to suggest a change to how all player articles are handled, you could try and get a consensus at the Wikipoker project, but there is clearly no reason for special handling of one one article compared to all others. 2005 (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

His shirt in the 2006 WSOP

I'd like to point out that he was wearing a Bob Marley shirt during the final round of the WSOP. The particular Bob Marley shirt was the frontal portrait of Marley drawn as a composite of canabis leaves.Jolb 23:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Highest ITM Main Event Finish

I don't think his highest in the money main event finish was 11th place. Look at his record. Half of his 25+ finishes are 1st place. The only reason it could be 11th if this is only talking about the WSOP main event. Can someone clarify this, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.214.27.164 (talk • contribs) 03:52, January 31, 2007 (UTC)

the WSOP main event is the $10,000 Championship Event in which his highest place was 11th in 2001 here are his hendonmob results http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=181

and this is the 1-11 placement in 2001

• 1st Carlos Mortensen $1,500,000
• 2nd Dewey Tomko $1,098,925
• 3rd Stan Schrier $699,315
• 4th Phil 'Tiltboy' Gordon $399,610
• 5th Phil Hellmuth Jr $303,705
• 6th Mike 'The Mouth' Matusow $239,765
• 7th Henry Nowakowski $179,825
• 8th Steve Riehle $119,885
• 9th John Inashima $91,910
• 10th Arturo Diaz $63,940
• 11th Daniel Negreanu $63,940

▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 06:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Full Contact Poker

I just did a search for FCP and I got redirected here. I think there should be a seperate article for FCP because it is more than just Negreanu's site. User Sbpatel

High Stakes Poker

Daniel was involved in the bggest pot ever on High Stakes Poker, along with Gus Hansen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeRwWIdQBM) I feel that this warrants a mention on Daniel's Wikipedia page.

Maybe like adding a trivia section? Being in the biggest pot, isn't relevant to his life. If it is going to go in the article, maybe at the end, but its not exceptionally noteable here. Put it on the HighStakesPoker page. 198.70.208.155 (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

His nickname is KID POKER

How much proof do you want here really? Because i can drown you in proof that commentators says KID POKER all the time. And whats wrong with that? Its a cool nick. Check out Chris Fergusons nick for gods sake! JESUS? Now that nick may be offensive to some people but its still his nick. And why i pointed out Romania? Because some people dont know its a Eastern European country! Romania is not some place, its a country! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 14:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict with Strongsauce, below. thx!) Yes! His nickname is Kid Poker. It's noted and cited in his infobox on the right side of the page. No need to add Eastern Europe in front of Romania- it adds weight. Romania is wikilinked in the article- a reader could click it to find out more. cheers, --guyzero | talk 15:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

No need to "drown me" in proof of his nickname. "Kid Poker" is already mentioned in the infobox but no one calls him, "Daniel 'Kid Poker' Negreanu," just, "Kid Poker" or "Daniel Negreanu." I've also looked around to see if any other poker players have their nickname in their lead paragraph and I found that most of them don't have that. Chris "Jesus" Ferguson being the main exception because you will hear people call him, Chris "Jesus" Ferguson.

Actually they do say (TV poker commentators) "Kid poker" Daniel Negreanu as often as they say Chris "Jesus" Ferguson but imo it makes little sense to start an article with his nickname its better if we insert it between his first and last name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 12:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I flipped through the ELs that provide profiles for Negreanu at the bottom of the article, and none of them referred to him as Daniel "Kid Poker" Negreanu. --guyzero | talk 15:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Check out youtube and Daniel Negreanu, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 21:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Like guyzero has pointed out his nickname is already in the infobox. There is no need to set a precedent of including a poker player's nickname in their lead section since almost every single poker player has a nickname of some sort. Strongsauce 00:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

So why is Mike Matusows, Phil Laaks nicknames in their lead sections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 11:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

So is Chris Fergusons nick too (in the infobox). Should we remove "Jesus"?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 14:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Also the point of having Romania wiki-linked is so users can click on it and find out more information about Romania. In this case the country of Romania. Do we need to put in North America Ottawa? Strongsauce 15:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Stacked with Daniel Negreanu VIDEO game

Shouldnt that game be mentioned here? Unlike other poker simulators that you run through within a hour this one actually bites back. (It also made me a better poker player but thats another story) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 14:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Good idea! Can you find some reviews from reliable sources on Stacked? cheers, --guyzero | talk 15:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Here are some very mixed reviews from 80% to 25%.

[[4]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 12:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism by Guy Zero

Please stop your vandalism immediatly or you will be banned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 23:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. FYI, 6 separate people have reverted your attempt to add Kid Poker to Daniel Negreanu's name in the intro a total of 11 times over the past 10 days. --guyzero | talk 02:21, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe they should watch more poker videos, like you? Its easy you known www.youtube.com, Daniel Negreanu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 10:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Kid Poker

Many editors here are aware that Daniel Negreanu nickname is "Kid Poker" which is why it is mention in the infobox, it is also his nickname on pokerstars, the reason why some nicknames have been kept and others have been removed is in part due to the consensus view of the poker community at the time to only include nicknames in the lead of the article if the poker player registered them self that way @ the WSOP offical Website http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/players/index.asp (please read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Poker/Archive3#Poker_nicknames), in so far that the nicknames that are included at the beginning of articles have reason and not just arbitrary done so, if wish to make a new proposal and conduct a survey you may do so, discuss what change you wish to make and why you wish to make them here on the talk page (WP:DR) but please don't edit war., thank you ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 18:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Chris, Phil and Mike didnt use WSOP offical website to register their nicknames either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 14:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The fact that a policy is not always followed does not mean that it shouldn't be followed. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 19:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a problem with his nickname Kid Poker?

Or whats up here really?? Chris, Danny, Phil Laak have their nicknames for obvious reasons (READ: One looks like Jesus, one looks like a kid and one looks like an Una bomber while Mike Matuosow is nicknamed the mouth because that guy cant stfu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.14.243 (talk) 11:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The YouTube link

In the interview from the YouTube link ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5rCrK3OBY ) he talks about his parents life in Romania and his past. Daniel says he is romanian. It's an essential reference where I added it (after 'Daniel Negreanu's parents, Annie and Constantin, moved from Romania to Canada in 1967'). No reason to remove it. Also, the fact that it's in romanian language proves the article's point, that he was born in Canada but he's basically romanian. You should add it back. Visibilia (talk) 14:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

the Youtube link is a copyright violation, and so can never be used as a source or linked to as an external link. The fact it is in Romanian is a secondary thing. English references should be used when possible. Referencing the sentence with an English link is fine, but the copyright violation youtube link can't be used. 2005 (talk) 01:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not a copyright violation since I uploaded that video. And I can assure you it's unique on all YouTube, no one else could have uploaded that, I edited it from a longer interview and made it to fit 10 mins so it can be uploaded on YouTube. Since it's my video and I grant permission to anyone to use it in any way they like, it's not a copyright violation. And the romanian language just proves the fact that Daniel's romanian, knowing the language etc, which sustains the article's point. But as you said, that's a secondary thing. What matters is the copyright, and I own the video. So I really think you should add it back, it's an important reference. Visibilia (talk) 10:04, 26 April 2008

(UTC)

The video says it is from www.telesport.ro. It doesn't matter who uploaded it. Are you telesport.ro? There is nothing on their website that says their videos can be used by anyone, so like the vast majority of youtube videos, it can not be linked here. Regardless the video is obviously not needed to show he is Romanian. There are many websites online that state that. 2005 (talk) 10:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Golf

Daniel's obsession with this game could be worth a brief mention in the article and I didn't see it. I usually spell it g*lf (all the other four-letter words were taken) and find it very annoying but he seems to like it. 71.234.37.99 (talk) 22:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven71.234.37.99 (talk) 22:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)