Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism

Vandalism only accounts

Moved to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Vandalism_only_accounts

Can we have some sort of rule about when you can, and can't, remove comments on a report?

I experienced some sneaky behavior on the part of Alansohn (talk · contribs) a little while ago that ought to be discussed.

• At 9:54 a.m. US EST, Figureskatingfan (talk · contribs) reported an IP, 203.177.74.14 (talk · contribs).

• About 13 minutes later, in the midst of going through a huge backlog of reports, I looked at the IP's edits. It seemed they had stopped making obvious vandalism, and I made a comment to that effect.

• On the very next edit, Alan removes my comment without even modifying the Huggle-generated edit summary to explain this.

• I restored it three minutes later with an edit summary asking him to discuss this at least.

He let it stay up, but I would still like an explanation. The effectiveness of AIV is compromised by actions such as this. We leave comments and review reports for a reason ... to keep this page from degenerating into "requests for blocks" and from being used as a way of settling content disputes. When comments are removed without explanation, the process loses a little of that fairness it needs. Can we put this in the banner? Daniel Case (talk) 16:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I would assume this is a huggle issue, not sneaky behavior by Alansohn. Did you consider asking him about it directly? Have you noticed a pattern of comment removal that would justify adding more to the banner, or is this a fairly isolated incident? --Onorem♠Dil 16:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

In the pre-Huggle olden days, I would manually warn editors, typing laborious warnings on their user pages, and then posting manually to WP:AIV when they had gone too far. All of the edits I made during the period in question this morning were made using Huggle. While I can understand why it appears that I removed someone's note in sneaky fashion and then let it stay later, it appears that Daniel Case is anthropomorphizing some bizarre quirk of Huggle. I have not manually edited WP:AIV since I started using Huggle three months ago and I haven't done so today. While the time stamps show a minute apart, it appears that there may have been a Huggle-related edit conflict that overlaid the previous edit. I have no idea who the editors in question are and I would much rather see a problem editor reform than have them banned. I can assure you that I have no idea how the text was removed or why on earth I could possibly get Huggle to delete someone else's edit even if for some ungodly reason I had wanted to do so. I think this ought to be sent on to the Huggle folks who may have some meaningful input on this. I can assure you that I wouldn't even know how to do what it appears I did. Alansohn (talk) 16:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Didn't get called here but just noticed this topic :P. From what i can see yes this is a quirk of huggle. In this case huggle was just slightly too slow. It got the content of the page, added the new report onto the end and submitted it. In the time that huggle had got the report and added the new report the comment had been added to AIV. This was then removed when the old version of the page with the new report was posted. In other words an edit conflict due to maybe a second when huggle was computing. Hope you understand this. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I have worked with hundreds of Alansohn's reports, and perhaps declined a handful. Never had any issues. Of course, I have had issues with other editors, usually because they believe that submitting a report is a de facto block request. And they get pissed when it's denied. Anyway, that's neither here nor there, and I think this thread was a result of a simple edit conflict. Tan | 39 18:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, I accept that this is a quirk of Huggle (which I don't use and am unfamiliar with). Can it be fixed? Daniel Case (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Assume Good Faith. — Werdna • talk 21:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

No as it is simply a matter of miliseconds in it there isnt really a way to stop it from happeneing. But it shouldnt happen that much anyway. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 19:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

What happened?

Hi, all. I reported an IP vandal from an educational institution, and the notice was taken down without any apparent action. I'm hoping someone can let me know what happened or how these cases are handled. Thanks. –Bdb484 (talk) 21:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a shared IP (ie. used by more than one person - a school computer in this case), and by the time you made the report it had been some sixteen hours since the IP had edited, and was therefore considered "stale". In all probability the next person to use that IP would not be the same person who had committed the vandalism, therefore blocking would not have been an appropriate move.

Generally speaking, for IP addressed to be blocked then they need to be active now, or at least within ten - thirty minutes of the report being made - anything more and they'll generally be considered stale. Hope that helps. _Gb^T/c 22:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure does. Thanks. –Bdb484 (talk) 01:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

SSP/SPI

SSP and RFCU have been merged into WP:SPI. I wouldn't know the first thing about changing this template to reflect that, but this, Template:AIV/doc and MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Administrator intervention against vandalism all need to be changed. Cross posting this to Template talk:AIV. Protonk (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Is this what you wanted? Icewedge (talk) 01:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

This noticeboard is for obvious vandals and spammers only. Consider taking this report to Sockpuppet investigations.

This noticeboard is for obvious vandals and spammers only. Consider taking this report to Sockpuppet investigations.

This noticeboard is for obvious vandals and spammers only. Consider taking this report to Sockpuppet investigations.

Seems to work well. figured it would be more complicated than that. Protonk (talk) 01:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks for pointing that out. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 08:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

User page block notices

Resolved

 – see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Block_notices_on_IP_user_pages

I am confused by the process. Please see the following diff Dbiel ^(Talk) 04:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Bot accidentally removed a complaint that had been moved from WP:ANI

Please see this diff. Thanks (talk→ Bwilkins / BMW ←track) 14:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Because when it was added it was simply copied over wholesale, heading and all, from ANI rather than being formatted into the {{vandal}} template. In any event, the IP hasn't edited in a while, so it's stale. _Gb^T/c 15:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)