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Jack Barker

Hi Peanut4, I am new to trying to edit a Wikipedia article so please bear with me! There are some factual errors in the article about John William "Jack" Barker, which have been noticed by his son, Jack Barker. I have tried to edit these to correct them but the changes are being undone! How I do I go about ensuring that the article is correct? Did you write the original article? Thanks David Shn606 (talk) 22:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Peanut4, His son Jack Barker is my Father-in-law; is he deemed a reliable source about his father's life? e.g. the information about his "Family" is incorrect (he didn't have a younger brother Jeffrey nor a nephew John). I also have his father's birth and death certificates. Cheers David Shn606 (talk) 22:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, Well, the problem is his son hasn't written a book about his father and the birth certificate obviuously isn't in a book either. I would have thought that somewhere along the line Wikipedia could recognise that errors can be made in a book and also that there should be some mechanism of correcting such inaccuracies. Have you any suggestions about how we can get these inaccuracies corrected? I presume that if you have written a large part of it, you too might want to see the article factually correct! For example have you actually checked on the club 'Denaby Rovers' which Jack Barker is supposed to have played for? At best it is perhaps a Junior Sunday side. Denaby United was the club with all the history in Denaby and is the one he played for. I realise that you have now way of knowing who I am, but if there is a way of posting to you his birth certificate or some photographs his son has of his father (for example shaking hands as captain before the Wales match in Cardiff in 1936) or even photographs of his 'caps' you will perhaps accept he is a valid source of information about his father! I hope you can help. David Shn606 (talk) 23:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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Football in Yorkshire

This article seems to be a vandal magnet, with vandals removing information on clubs founded in Yorkshire. I'd place it on your watchlist if you're interested in football in the county. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roseswhite (talk • contribs) 21:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Please do not restore content of this banned user. I will fully protect the page if necessary. That said, regardless of the ban on Yorkshirian, there are fundamental, basic editorial issues with the content - no sources, synthesis of material to make Yorkshire appear like it exists beyond 1974 (see WP:PLACE), and WP:BLP issues.

My suggestion? Move the remnants to Football in Sheffield and Football in England. "Football in Yorkshire" is as abitary as "Football in the Pennines". --Jza84 |  Talk  23:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

It should never have been created. There's no remit to create "Football in County X" pages, especially ones that have been abolished. Who would search for "Football in Yorkshire" anyway? It's a classic Yorkshirian breach of WP:SYNTH to make Yorkshire appear like a country. It's a couple of facts pieced together to give the ellusion of a serious article about an arbitary region. The material could easily be moved to city or country-level articles. --Jza84 |  Talk  23:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Peanut4, you're not entitled to overturn arbitration decisions - I cannot permit you to restore a banned editor. Wikipedia's banning policy states that "Any edits made in defiance of a ban may be reverted to enforce the ban, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. As the banned user is not authorized to make those edits, there is no need to discuss them prior to reversion.".

Furthermore, Wikipedia's verifibility policy states that "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, not those who remove it". It is more nonsensical to have an unsourced list of facts that have nothing to do with an abolished county. I would much rather protect this page than block yourself for breach of several policies. --Jza84 |  Talk  23:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there is no deadline and Wikipedia is a work in progress. I would've rather not protect the page, but as I say, there are multiple and very serious policies applicable here, and I do not appreciate having a banned user restored over a legitimate one (and an admin at that!), and whilst a warning was in effect, and whilst the content is under discussion.

What would you have me do? - permit Yorkshirian to edit again, with his zealous POV? It just can't happen.

Let's focus on the content issues (inline with policy):

• Anything past 1974 is breach of WP:PLACE.  Done
• Any unsourced material may be removed at any time.  Done
• Any misappropriation of sources should be fixed.  Done (Yorkshirian previously claimed the FA said Yorkshire is the home of football, when infact it say's Sheffield).
• Any synthesis of material to advance the posision that Yorkshire still exists should go.  Not done
• There are random collections of facts about a man going to Argentina founding football there, again WP:SYNTH (isn't the article called "Football in Yorkshire"?)  Not done

I'm mainly concerned about the article. I could create near identical articles called "Football in Northern England" and "Football in the West Riding of Yorkshire" and "Football in the Pennines" and "Football in Yorkshire and Humber" by collecting material and publishing them as encyclopedic, factual topics. See my point?

That the article is nonsensical has never changed. Yorkshirian doesn't contribute effective, neutral material. His blindness to his own synthesis is why he found himself at odds with the rest of the community, hense why he's blocked. This is a WP:FORK to make Yorkshire (a "county" he one declared he wanted to see as an independant state - !?) appear like it still exists, and has somekind of national sporting culture. --Jza84 |  Talk  23:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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Assumption of nationality

I was rather surprised at your reversion of my edit on Paul Tierney. As regards the specific case, despite a surname of Irish origin, he was born in Salford, has played only in England, is not described by any other nationality on the links provided, and there is no suggestion that he has been called up for any other country. He is described on Soccerbase as English, and if Wikipedia needs to attribute any nationality to him, there seems to be evidence for giving it as anything other than English.

More generally, I am living proof that "place of birth does not govern a person's nationality", and if surname was grounds for assuming nationality, no-one would be reported as being from the Western Hemisphere. But where we habitually record nationality, squad lists on team pages for example (pace the current Sunderland A.F.C. situation), then in the absence of grounds to do otherwise, I have always assumed that place of birth was the grounds on which nationality is attributed. If not, what are we to take? If we cannot assume nationality (and I don't like mine being falsely assumed), then whither flags on articles? Kevin McE (talk) 18:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I see you have edited the Tierney article with evidence under which, of course, he should be described as Irish. My query remains, however, in relation to your edit note "place of birth does not govern a person's nationality". I agree that it does not govern it, but is it not Wiki's assumption that it indicates it, in the absence of contradictory evidence? Kevin McE (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

No prob: if I thought you were not the usually reliable editor I have seen you to be, I might have had a rather different tone. But can you confirm that PoB gives the grounds for assumed nationality where there is no representative history? Is there any convention about how we treat siblings: is Marc Tierney more Irish than English on the grounds that his brother accepted an invite to play for Ireland U21s? Kevin McE (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Peter Wragg

Hi, just to say I don't think the Peter Wragg who managed Halifax Town is the same Peter Wragg who played for York and Bradford. A user left this note on the article's talk page nearly a year ago saying they weren't the same bloke, and I've had a look through some of my York books and no mention is made of him managing Halifax. York City The Complete Record states "Wragg was transferred to Bradford City in 1963 and spent two seasons at Valley Parade. He continued to live in York and for some timed helped to run Haxby FC in the York & District Football League. He died in 2004." Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Heads up. I started a community reassessment. The reason I'm notifying you is because you were the last GA reviewer. Enigma^msg 21:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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Sunderland A.F.C.

As you may well know, Sunderland A.F.C. failed its FAC recently. After recommendation from Oldelpaso here, I wonder if you could take a look through the article. In particular he said you were good at sorting out the consistency of which football clubs are refered to, e.g. "is/are". Just a request, feel free if you have any spare time. Cheers. Sunderland06 (talk) 19:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing, we were robbed by the ref today so i'm just taking my anger out on a chair right now. :) Sunderland06 (talk) 20:05, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to reply, I'd probably favour for plural. Sunderland06 (talk) 17:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think User:Malleus Fatuorum may have already done this in a copyedit not long ago. Mind reading through again? Sunderland06 (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Ta for that reversion. I left the 'warning' while I was reverting or checking his other edits. I was thinking of keeping it as a souvenir....) Peridon (talk) 20:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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Zesh Rehman

Hi there. Believe it or not I was trying to improve and add to the article by adding to and amending the content you added (honestly!). I didn't remove the content you added, just tried to add to it while also making changes. I've no idea how I took out the bit about the Bradford ambassador, so my apologies for that. But everything else was done to improve the article, and had sources. He is the first British Asian to play in the FL and Premier League, which I will get a source for as soon as I can. Also in the templates, I inserted Bradford Telegraph and Argus and so on. Simply reverting my changes though with an edit summary of clean up wasn't really a clean up, it was just reverting my edit back to what it was. The article is improving and will hopefully continue to with your contributions too. I hope that we can work together to improve the article.--♦Tangerines♦·Talk 01:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Oxford United Peer Review

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I left you a message above a while ago, but you don't seem to have responded. If you could take a look, please do. :) Sorry if you have been busy, just I want to keep things moving. Cheers. Sunderland06 (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Jimmy Lawlor

Hi there, I've just created the article on Jimmy Lawlor and was wondering if you knew if he was related to Kit Lawlor? - both moved from Drumcondra to Doncaster at the same time...regards, GiantSnowman 12:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

They probably are brothers then - Kit's full name is John Christopher...GiantSnowman 12:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm willing to say they are definitely brothers then. GiantSnowman 12:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia naming conventions Does this not say that names like that a supposed to be written like this: T. J.? Surely he's an idiot that does not know how to spell his name. Surely that says its supposed to be like T. J.? Surely, surely, surely? Bort08 22:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Yes it is spelt like Raul Oliveira. I would no, im Portuguese. Only the spanish have an accent on the U in Raul. You obviously don't know cuz ur probably British. I would know, there is no accent on the U in Raul. Do u have to argue with me on this? Can u not trust someone who actually knows the language?

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Hi

Please go to my usertalk page. There is a discussion regarding you and me. I hope you will go and read.Syjytg (talk) 15:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you removed most of my 6th Round Draw(about 80 to 90%). Syjytg (talk) 07:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Please see my talkpage for my reason as to why the think the time of the draw should be added.Syjytg (talk) 14:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on restoring what I wrote about the ITV apology. Syjytg (talk) 14:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Syjytg and take a look. Syjytg (talk) 14:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

See also

The second suggestion (subcat) sounds the best to me. I think it may be worth looking at the whole category structure around season articles before doing anything though. I was looking at it earlier and found it a bit confusing - it may be fine, I'd just like to map it out for myself so I can get it clear in my head, or suggest improvements if necessary. Anyway, logging off now, will catch up on this later. --Jameboy (talk) 00:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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