Talk:Fedor Emelianenko

1 NC?

(sorry I suck at editing wiki-pages so please have oversight :)) Anyways, isnt Fedor supposed to have 1 NC? If so why isnt it shown in his breakdown-table? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.182.22.134 (talk) 02:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done - Some vandal removed it along with parts of the record table. --aktsu ^(t / c) 02:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

2008 worlds in st petersburgh

he came in second http://www.mmafighting.com/news/2008/11/16/fedor-emelianenko-loses-decision-semifinals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.171.216.77 (talk) 04:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The video on youtube of him against Ivanov shows that he won by a score of 5-1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.84.36 (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

question

Why is there an asterisk on Fedor´s lost? --Vik.sanchez (talk) 14:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

People have been trying to turn that loss into an NC for some time. My guess someone went the subtle route and threw in the asterisk, and it's gone unnoticed. IMHO it should go.--Cube lurker (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

haha thanks --Vik.sanchez (talk) 13:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

its safe to say that fedor is virtually undefeated. he really didnt lose that fight but because of the tournament format, he technically lost. i agree that the asterisk should go. anyone who reads the article understands why its a loss.-ski

How on earth can you say "he technically lost." it's the exact opposite of that. Technically he didn't lose. How many times does it need to be laid out for people like you? It was an illegal elbow under the rules. So if it was an illegal elbow and not let's say a perfectly legal punch then yes he would have technically lost BUT that is not the case. The illegal elbow should be treated no different than let's say and illegal head butt. In Fedor's fight with Antonio it was ruled a no contest because of a cut caused by a head butt. How is that any different? I just don't get it. Someone tried to say that it wasn't an illegal elbow because it was an accident but hey I got news for you. The head butt that ended the Antonio fight was also an accident. So there you have it. The exact same set of circumstances yet two different outcomes. Makes absolutely no sense what so ever to me. You cannot win a fight VIA an illegal strike and you cannot lose a fight VIA an illegal strike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.0.255 (talk) 04:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Well IMHO the asterisk should be there. You said youself 'if you read the article.' According to the article it should not count as a loss, the only reason it's a loss in the first place is because it was a tournament and in a tournament there has to be a winner, hence the asterisk. How about you make the article say "tournament loss / no contest under MMA rules" or something like that. That way all the people who claim it is still technically loss are still technically right and all the people who know it is technically a No Contest won't have to be etarnally ostracized by a flagrantly illconcieved wikipedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.0.255 (talk) 22:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

i meant to take out technical before loss but oh well. but how many times does it have to be laid out to people like you that the difference between the nog and kohsaka fight is the kohsaka fight was a tornament format so a winner was needed. yes it was an accidental and illegal elbow, and yes kohsaka won. so YES you can win a fight with an illegal strike. 68.188.201.146 (talk) 20:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)ski

Amateur record and Lazarev-fight

When I checked the reference for his amateur record (http://www.kickboxing.com/Media/Fedor-Emelianenko.html), it seemed very similar to the WP article around February 2006 (for example http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fedor_Emelianenko&oldid=41053638). Do we have any other source for his amateur fights? I removed mention of it for now. Also, Lordvader2009 removed the Lazarev fight from the fight record. I know the fight is on YouTube etc., but do we have a reliable source recognizing it as a professional fight? --aktsu ^(t / c) 19:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

"The Baddest Man on the Planet"

"Fedor: The Baddest Man on the Planet" was a documentary on Fedor, and I do not believe it's a common nickname for him so I removed 2008Olympian addition of it. Any disagreements? --aktsu ^(t / c) 04:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Yeah, I disagree. You removed it once because there was no source, so I provided one. Now, although I have a reliable, verifiable source, you remove it based on your opinion that it is not a common nickname. Jay Glazer and Frank Trigg called him by this nickname on almost every PRIDE highlight show in addition to the show I cited.--2008Olympian^chitchat 05:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Saw no mention of it being a nickname of his on that source, only that it was part of the name of a documentary on him. They say "The Last Emperor" when announcing him, so I'd guess that's his "official" nickname notwithstanding what fans and Trigg/Glazer might sometimes refer to him by.--aktsu ^(t / c) 05:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• • Just do a Google search for "Fedor baddest man on the planet nickname -documentary" to see how often it is used without mentioning the documentary, which was named such because it is his nickname: [1].--2008Olympian^chitchat 06:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Look, I've provided a reference for it from a reliable source. And look at Dan Henderson's article. He has more than one nickname listed. And I am now the second editor to have added that nickname, whereas you are the only one to have removed it, so it should stay until there is consensus to remove it.--2008Olympian^chitchat 06:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Uhm, so because some people think he's the baddest man on the planet (not that I don't agree, but hey) and find it funny to add it to his article - that makes it so? Should we list "The Running Joke" to nicknames of Kalib Starnes as well because that's what some "fans" call him? Didn't see much more than lots of talking about whether he's the baddest man on the planet or not with that search. Do you have a RS for it being one of the nicknames he goes by? No? OK, then shouldn't it be case closed unless something turns up? When it comes to Hendo, yeah he's got more than one nickname, and there's reliable sources for them being nicknames he goes by, so why would I have a problem with that? (Sidenote, someone apparently added "Decision" as in "Decision Dan" - not one of his adopted nicknames so I'll go ahead and remove that now). --aktsu ^(t / c) 06:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it. There is a reference cited in the article for an entire hour-long documentary that calls him that nickname. He was referred to by that nickname, and it was used in graphics for him, on the PRIDE highlight shows. If I could also get a source for those broadcasts, I would, but they don't play anymore. It was not just "some" fans, but the official media outlet for the PRIDE organization.--2008Olympian^chitchat 06:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Meh, you know, when I think about it; never mind me... It might as well stay. If I'm not mistaken, the documentary is "official" in that it's produced by M-1 Global (who's representing Fedor). I was probably just unnecessarily anal about it since I'm tired, but I've honestly never heard him referred to by that before the documentary. So; I agree, the fact that there's a documentary with that name should show it's a proper nickname used about him. --aktsu ^(t / c) 07:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

he has also been called the russian experiment and even cyborg(yes i know 2 other fighters also share the name cyborg). you can find it all over google and i've heard the announcer Mauro call him fedor 'the russian experiment' emelianenko on one of his early pride fights. i know these nicknames are rarely used anymore but does anyone think its worth noting? if you want sources and can dig them up sometime soon. 68.188.201.146 (talk) 20:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)sk!

Record is 30-1

Q: Fedor, some websites say that in 2001 you fought with Martin Lazarev in an MMA match at the RINGS Russia vs. Bulgaria II show. More established sited do not have that fight. Did it really happen? A: I did "fight" with Martin Lazarev, but that was in 2000. I won via a choke.

I will change his record soon if nobody does it. Rings is not amateur.Randy Couture and Overeem and others fought in Rings.

http://www.411mania.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5724255&Main=5724211

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asmu1_gr9YQ--Titus001 (talk) 03:15, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

братух я сам с старого болею за тебя крепча —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.179.60.158 (talk) 01:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Peer review results

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locked again?

why is this page locked AGAIN? everything was fine then someone locked it. i complained and finally someone unlocked it, and now its locked again. wtf?68.188.201.146 (talk) 20:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)ski

Because people kept vandalizing it. It'll be unlocked in two days, but I wouldn't count on it staying unprotected long. You're welcome to create and account so that you're not affected by the semi-protection. --aktsu ^(t / c) 20:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

--No kidding, how hard is it to create an account?--2008Olympian^chitchat 04:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC) understandable, i guess since fedor is more known now in the states, vandalism will rise. thanks. 2008olympion, how hard is it to 'be polite, assume good faith, and be welcoming'? sure is easier than creating an account. 68.188.201.146 (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)sk!

fujita fight still incorrect

the fujita fight is still incorrect. "Emelianenko was expected to make quick work of Fujita, but was caught by a wild right hook that stunned him—Emelianenko has claimed this is the only time he has ever been knocked down." i dont know if this was maybe a mistranslation or what but the punch did NOT knock fedor down, it only stunned him. AFTER the punch fujita was able to secure a takedown. wouldnt it be more proper to say that fedor was taken down? cause the punch didnt knock him down.68.188.201.146 (talk) 20:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)ski

I just read the source for the claim (here), and the confusion seem to stem from the fact that Fedor refers to "almost being knocked out" as a knockdown in the interview. Something was probably lost in translation. I have in any case removed the claim as it's not actually clear he's talking about the Fujita-fight, only that it happened "once". --aktsu ^(t / c) 20:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)