Talk:Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca

Cabeca

Hi.

I see that some sources refer to this person as "Cabeca de Vaca" (presumeably the same person). Anyone know about this? Perhaps a note could be added to the article? — ishwar  (SPEAK) 23:41, 2005 Apr 13 (UTC)

My guess is an older-fashioned (or Portuguese-style?) spelling with c-cedilla, which used to be more or less interchangeable with z. - Mustafaa 10:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Uhm, you guys left out something in that article. He was a christian. And he healed people.

Movie

Is there a specific site referring to the movie cabeza de vaca? Chiquitobonito 03:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

"Cabeza de Vaca" at IMDb.com - Prometheusg 06:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca moved to Cabeza de Vaca

Why move the article from the gent's full name to only a part of it? Seems somewhat non-standard to me. –Hajor 02:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

it makes sense to revert it if you think necessary but i doubt anybody is going to type Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca. redirection would be fine. Orangetuesday 05:40, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I'm going to move it back; doesn't feel right having the article located at what is merely his (and a bunch of other people's) apellido materno after all. But while I'm at it, I'll make sure all the necessary redirects without diacrits, etc. are in place. Cheers, –Hajor 13:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

And also, sometimes, people are lazy and type up just half of the name. sometimes, people have to search him up and was given Cabeza de Vaca like me. tsyoshi 15:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

info

he was in the milatary and was a slave he also wrote is own books

name

did you know that his name meens "head of cow"

name

his name is cabeza de vaca

Name

that does translate to cow's head..which to a lot of us might seem funny (see that post above). I don't see the significance of that post, but history of the name is useful.

Chiquitobonito 02:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Two dodgy statements removed

If anyone has a source for these statements (from the "trivia" section), please replace them, and include a citation.

• He was the lead leader with the Golden Hind, which is the name of the ship that Sir Francis Drake sailed around the world in.
• In one awful storm off Cuba, the storm lifted one of his ships into a tree. Really...

Actually, that second statement is somewhat correct. Although it was Narváez' ship, not Cabeza de Vaca's, Cabeza de Vaca was in charge at the time. Two ships were lost in that hurricane which also destroyed Trinidad; one ship was found in a wrecked palm tree. I'm not going to add it back in, because I intend to clean this article up after I get through with the Narváez expedition article. Anyone else can feel free to put it in. See Narváez expedition.

Here's a reference: Schneider, Paul (2006). Brutal Journey: the epic story of the first crossing of North America. Henry Holt and Company, pp. 56.

Prometheusg 16:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone got any info as to family?

Does anyone know if he had brothers, sisters, wife, kids, what his parents did, anything like that?

His paternal grandfather was Pedro de Vera, a war hero who fought in the Canary Islands and Granada. His father's name was Francisco de Vera. His mother was Doña Tereza Cabeza de Vaca. All I could findPrometheusg 08:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

How many men were in the Narváez expedition?

I'm getting tired of edit warring with an anonymous user.

• The Narváez expedition article says "The crew initially numbered about 600."
• Since last year, the Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca article has said "...only survivors of the party of 600 men."
• This external site says "The fleet he took along consisted of[five vessels, in which went about 600 men."
• This anonymous user showed up from nowhere today and made the following series of edits:

(1) From "600" to "70,000"

(2) From "70,000" to "600"

(3) From "600" to "250-300"

• At this point, I reviewed the article history and related articles and reverted it to 600.
• A minute later, he re-reverted it:

(4) From "600" to "250-300".

I'm now reverting it back to 600, on the theory that this person is just entertaining himself. -- Jim Douglas 02:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The expedition left Spain with about 600 people. That includes troops, officers, slaves, sailors, wives, daughters, and servants. Of those, about 450 were actual troops, officers, and slaves. By the time they left Cuba, after desertions, shipwrecks, and a partial replenishment of troops, they numbered 400 men. Prometheusg 09:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Survivors

The text reads: "he, and eighty others, were the only survivors of the party of 600 men. The four were enslaved by various Native American tribes." Well, is it four or is it eighty? Kdammers 07:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Eighty survived the shipwrecking onto the Texas coast. Over a period of a few years all but four died off. The four survivors made their way across Texas, northern Mexico, and New Mexico (and possibly Arizona) in 1535. I keep meaning to fix this article, finish the Narvàez expedition, and possible start an article on the journey itself. Prometheusg 13:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

When did he traverse the SWUSA?

I can't find any-where in article that says when he was wandering etc., following the Nav. exped. - When was it? Kdammers 07:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

cabeza de vaca and etevanico

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family

does anyone know who his parents were? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.193.142 (talk) 17:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Categorization: Slaves

I believe Cabeza De Vaca should not be placed in the category of Slaves, but instead a Slave of Native Americans. The general view of Slavery is usually African-American Slaves, so I believe a seperate category should be made for former slaves of Native Americans.

Sinclair <sup>talk/contribs</sup> 14:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Really? Who says that's the "general view"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.143.37.166 (talk) 22:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

migrated edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add this bibliography to the Cabeza de Vaca entry:

• MAURA, Juan Francisco. Alvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca: el gran burlador de América. Parnaseo/Lemir. Valencia:Universidad de Valencia, 2008.http://parnaseo.uv.es/lemir/Textos/Maura.pdf
• MAURA, Juan Francisco. Carta de Luis Ramírez a su padre desde el Brasil. Introducción, edición, transcripción y notas, Juan Francisco Maura. Lemir (Departamento de Filología Hispánica de la Universidad de Valencia), <http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Ramirez.pdf> 2007.

Thank you Servicio (talk) 09:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Copied from the above user's talk page.--Tznkai (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. -- Alexf<sup>(talk)</sup> 15:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Cultural references - Lord Buckley

I first heard of Cabeza de Vaca through Lord Buckley's comedy routine "The Gasser", a 50's jive talking rendition of the Diaries.

While the language is odd, Buckley is strictly correct on the facts and draws a great sense of mystical wonder from CdV's conversion from Conquistador to Healer. The last lines are drawn from the diaries [I quote from memory]:

  "There is a great power above
   That when used in beauty and honor
   Can and will cause miracles.
   When you use it, it spreads before you like a garden --
   When you do not use it, it recedes from you."

Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca, fifteen-hundred-and-leapin'-ten

If we mention the movie, then The Gasser ought to be linked as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timbabwe (talk • contribs) 13:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Cabeza de Vaca

Incluyo en la bibliografía el nuevo ensayo histórico sobre Cabeza de Vaca, que Rubén Caba y Eloísa Gómez-Lucena han publicado en Edhasa, Barcelona, 2008 tras recorrer y fijar la ruta de Cabeza de Vaca desde Tampa (Florida) hasta Culiacán (México). Gracias. Leo Fomento —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.146.129.1 (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Leo Fomento, 24 February 2009

New Bibliographie about Cabeza de Vaca

{{editsemiprotected}}Please add this bibliography to the Cabeza de Vaca entry:

• CABA, Rubén y GÓMEZ-LUCENA, Eloísa. La odisea de Cabeza de Vaca: Tras los pasos de Álvar Núñez por tierras americanas. Col. Terra Incógnica (Ensayo histórico). Barcelona: Edhasa, 2008. ISBN:978-84-350-2008.
• CABA, Rubén y GÓMEZ-LUCENA, Eloísa. Cabeza de Vaca: El Ulises del Nuevo Mundo". Clío Historia, nº 84, Octubre 2008.