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There is much talk of jazz trumpeters, but very little given about classical trumpeters and the evolution in that realm. I would like to see this expanded. [[User:Abh535s|Abh535s]] ([[User talk:Abh535s|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
There is much talk of jazz trumpeters, but very little given about classical trumpeters and the evolution in that realm. I would like to see this expanded. [[User:Abh535s|Abh535s]] ([[User talk:Abh535s|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Imagery ==
Is it just me, or is the trumpeter depicted under "Extended technique" actually holding a trombone. I'll leave it for a few days, but if no one objects I'm going to edit it out of the article.

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"Further reading" format

I am a little baffled by the format of the "Further reading" section. It has title, date and SBN but no author or other data. I know that from the SBN you can get other data till it is coming out of your ears but even so I would have thought that the author was part of the minimum requirement for display on the page itself. I do tend to think of "Smithers" or "Bate" rather than "0918194024" or whatever. I know this may be some new wiki policy since I stopped being very interested (coincidentally enough, in about 1721) so if it is please enlighten me gently. Otherwise I think some nice young person should please put the authors in, thus saving this nasty old person from having to do so. :) 138.37.199.206 13:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No reply. Is this utterly bizarre format seen as normal, or what? I am genuinely baffled. Nomorenonotnever (talk) 09:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The further reading section was added back in August [1] and I don't think it has been edited since. Feel free to add the authors names.--Dbolton (talk) 03:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That C and B-flat sentence

I believe the sentence was saying that the most common place one would find a C trumpet is in an American orchestra, not that the C trumpet is the most common trumpet used in American orchestras. I've changed it to say that more clearly (I hope!). The first sentence in that paragraph should just simply state that the B-flat is the most common horn, since it probably accounts for 99.9% of trumpets being used in any ensemble - jazz bands, concert bands, wind ensembles, rock and roll, etc. etc. Feel free to change it or tweak it further, but I think the problem was in that sentence being a little unclear. - Special-T (talk) 00:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Musical pieces

This is a seemingly random list of musical pieces that may involve the use of the trumpet. The Musical pieces section needs to be built up carefully with explanations of why each piece has been chosen, and those explanations backed up with sources. I move the list here for people to use as a starting point (or to completely ignore as useless - it's up to you!). SilkTork *YES! 13:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

→What I remember from a few years ago is starting a section with a list of orchestral excerpts used to audition for major orchestras. This list might be extremely useful. It perhaps has since wandered. dfrankow (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Solos

The chromatic trumpet was first made in the late 1700s, but there were several solos written for the natural trumpet that are now played on piccolo trumpet. Some important works of trumpet repertoire are:

Natural Trumpet/Piccolo Trumpet

Other

Homophony and the Role of the Trumpet

I believe the contention that, "The melody-dominated homophony of the classical and romantic periods relegated the trumpet to a secondary role by most major composers" to be false. While the trumpet often served a secondary role, much like the timpani, during the Classical period, this does not hold true during the Romantic period. Important 19th century composers such as Mahler and Bruckner often featured the trumpet. The opening solo of Mahler's Fifth Symphony, for example, features an unaccompanied trumpet. Trumpets, along with the other brass instruments, were often given melodic primacy and played important thematic roles throughout the nineteenth century. It is inaccurate, therefore, to say that the trumpet held a secondary role during the Romantic period. Sethbowers (talk) 17:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, but compared to the Baroque period the Classical orchestral trumpet was much less prominent, having a more-or-less punctuating role. 90.205.92.150 (talk) 05:31, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rectangular trumpets?

The sentence in the "construction" section about the tubing being bent into a rectangle is misleading at best - the straight sections are, of course, connected with curved sections and the overall shape is not rectangular. The statement is also not supported by the reference it claims as support (#8- which has very little actual info about the trumpet). The second sentence of the article also mentions "rectangular" shape. - Special-T (talk) 03:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question at Sinfonietta (Janáček)

In the instrumentation of the Sinfonietta (Janáček), are the trumpets in F pitched above or below the trumpets in C? Badagnani (talk) 04:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Above. Nearly all F trumpet parts are high, that is, they sound a fourth above the written pitch. It's quite unusual for them to be low and when it is it's always made clear. Low would put those Janacek parts into an alto register where they'd have trouble cutting through and would be mixed up with the horns and trombones, whereas on recordings you hear them soaring over much of the orchestra. Hope this helps. Nomorenonotnever (talk) 08:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Trumpet/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. Hi, I'm sorry to say I've failed this article's GA nomination. There are a few significant issues (see criteria) which need addressing. Namely,

  • References - need formatting ({{cite web}} is good)... publisher information, access dates, etc.
    • I'd expect there to be a lot of book references (Google Books at worst) as opposed to some random websites.
    • There are a lot of unsourced statements... random example; the Fingering section.
  • Prose and MOS - "A common method book for beginners is the "Walter Beeler Method", and there have been several instruction books written by virtuoso Allen Vizzutti." - books go in italics, not quotation marks, and this sentence needs rewording. This is one random example, not a rule.

Please do renominate when you think the article meets the GA criteria. Good luck, giggy (:O) 02:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History confusion

When it says "bronze and silver trumpets" in the history section, does that mean:

  • Trumpets consisting of bronze and silver, or
  • Trumpets made of bronze and trumpets made of silver?

This question may be confusing at first, but it'll come to you. Please answer this question ASAP! QuackOfaThousandSuns (talk) 02:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What would peoples' opinion be of a link to TrumpetGuru? It is an educational site with extended articles on subjects raised on the main page, especially trumpet history and construction. Also resources for trumpet players such as charts for scales and fingerings. Mdkingston (talk) 10:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Animated valve operation

I'm completely familiar with how trumpets work, but when I first saw the diagram explaining the valve operation, it confused me. On closer inspection, I can see that yes, it is technically accurate, just a bit difficult to interpret. I think it would be very cool if we could change this to be an animated image. It should use some aspect of 3d perspective so the construction of the valve is more evident, and it should have arrows zooming along showing how the air flows between the different valve positions. Am I going to do this? Probably not, unless I get extremely bored; I just wanted to throw the thought out there. -Verdatum (talk) 17:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Playing

There is a lot of important communal knowledge about how to play the trumpet. Some is captured in the "Embouchure" ref, but where is any discussion of breathing, mouthpiece pressure, etc? I started or contributed to that section long ago, and now it's gone. dfrankow (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOT#HOWTO - Wikipedia is not a "how-to" manual, but an encyclopedia, so that information is not appropriate. Also, information added needs to have published references. - Special-T (talk) 18:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Players

There is much talk of jazz trumpeters, but very little given about classical trumpeters and the evolution in that realm. I would like to see this expanded. Abh535s (talk) 06:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Imagery

Is it just me, or is the trumpeter depicted under "Extended technique" actually holding a trombone. I'll leave it for a few days, but if no one objects I'm going to edit it out of the article.

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