Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 11

May 11

Category:Youth broadcasters

Propose renaming Category:Youth broadcasters to Category:Youth television networks

Nominator's rationale: Rename - the majority of categories including the word "broadcasters" are for people, not corporate entities or networks. That usage is I believe correct and so this category should be renamed to reflect that it's for networks. There is a subcat for Canadian networks that uses the word "children's" so Category:Children's television networks is another possible rename, although I think I prefer "youth" as being somewhat more encompassing (The N hardly seems like "children's television" but it is definitely youth-oriented, for example). Otto4711 (talk) 15:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Olympic broadcasters

Category:Olympic broadcasters - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - performer by performance overcategorization, similar to recently deleted categories here and here. Olympic broadcasters can and do cover any number of other sporting events and categorizing on this basis would lead to category clutter. Otto4711 (talk) 15:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Intersex activists

Category:Intersex activists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Rename to Category:Intersexuality activists to clarify the intent of the category. The current name is ambiguous and could be construed as referring to either activists around the issue of intersexuality or activists who happen to be intersexual people. I don't really think we need the latter. Notified creator with {{subst:cfd-notify}} Cgingold (talk) 01:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. Robofish (talk) 06:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
• I'm not entirely sure we even need the rename, considering that there are only two entries, one of which is doubled with the unnecessary single-item American subcategory anyway. There are several other people filed directly in Category:Intersexuality, but none of them appear to be activists in any notable way. I'd propose a rename to just Category:Intersex people instead, and then refile the people who are directly in the parent category too. Bearcat (talk) 18:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 13:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - there appear to be several 'intersex people' as Bearcat points out; 1 is also an 'Intersexuality activist' and 1 is an activist in something else. Perhaps there are 'Intersexuality activists' as yet uncategorised who are not themselves intersex. It would seem a distinctly defining characteristic. I support Bearcat's suggestion - rename to Category:Intersex people, add any others and perhaps create a new Category:Intersexuality activists. Occuli (talk) 14:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Squeezeboxes

Category:Squeezeboxes - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Non-technical, colloquial term, and only has one article and one template. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Delete. As per nom. Squeezebox also refers to other things including computer software so it is ambiguous and therefore unhelpful. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete – but note that the category structure in the Commons is completely different (and more comprehensible to a non-specialist, having eg Category:Accordions, Category:Concertinas). Occuli (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Existentialists by ethnicity

Suggest merging Category:Italian existentialists, Category:French existentialists, Category:American existentialists, and Category:Lithuanian existentialists to Category:Existentialists

Nominator's rationale: Merge. Overcategorization - six Frenchmen, four Americans, three Italians, and two Lithuanians. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Comment. People are very parochial so these may be what people want. As long as the categories are accesible from the top one it would not cause me any offence to 'Keep'. Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
• Merge per nom, as Category:Existentialists (with a manageable 32 pages at present) is not subcatted by nationality apart from these few. Occuli (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:Americans of Jewish descent

Category:Americans of Jewish descent - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Violates Wikipedia categorization policy and guidelines.

This page lists Americans of partial ethnic Jewish ancestry. For those of full ancestry or who self-identify themselves as "American Jews" see Category:American Jews.

• Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Categories requires:
  • Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless two criteria are met:
    • The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question;
    • The subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources.
• Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Heritage requires:
  • In addition to the requirement of verifiability, living people must have self-identified as a particular heritage, while historical persons may be identified by notable association with a single heritage.
    • Heritage categories should not be used to record people based on deduction, inference, residence, surname, nor any partial derivation from one or more ancestors.
    • The place of birth is rarely notable.
• Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality#Special subcategories requires:

The basis for creating such a category is not the number of individuals who could potentially be filed in the group, but whether there's a specific cultural context for the grouping beyond the mere fact that [persons] of that ethnic background happen to exist.

As a currently included example, George Allen: he was not raised Jewish, and is currently a Presbyterian; he does not self-identify as Jewish; it has been speculated (not verified) that his mother was of Jewish extraction; his mother's possible Jewishness is not relevant to his public life, other than in a derogatory manner.

--William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Delete — This information is trivial to most people it applies to. Plus, we already have the American Jews category. --Vizcarra (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)