Talk:Vulcan (Star Trek)

Format

Much of the article seems to imply that Vulcans are real and that Planet Vulcan really exist. Despite the die hard fans out there who may believe this, it takes away from the informative nature of the page because it is based on a false assumption. Such a format is quite appropriate on Memory Alpha because the entire premise is that it is the archive of the Federation on the planet Memory Alpha. But to suggest that a Wikipedia page follow the same format is ridiculous. This should be edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.181.252 (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

- Anyone who doesn't understand that the Vulcans and their planet are not real deserves any ridicule he attracts for it. The real problem with this page is the complete lack of any pictures actually from Star Trek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.200.52 (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge from T'plana-hath

Two years ago this article survived AfD, but mostly on the recommendation that it be expanded. It hasn't been, because there's nothing else to say on the subject.

Article content relates purely to Trek, and is only linked from two real pages (this one and Vulcan starships). It's a simple split. Chris Cunningham 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• Agree with merge. This should have its own article at Memory Alpha but here it's just too specialized. I've won Trek trivia contests but with a question on this I'd lose. ShutterBugTrekker 22:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Done --ShakataGaNai 21:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Technology level

There should be some section that emphasizes the technological level of the Vulcans at near the beginning of the Federation. Even one-hundred years after first contact, the Vulcans still seemed to be vastly superior to humans. Is/was there any source that indicated maybe when the Vulcans started sharing technology with humans? Or maybe when Humans and Vulcans became equals technologically? Obviously, by the time of the original Star Trek series, the Federation was still relatively young, but all of it founding members were equals technologically. I think some elaboration on these points would add significantly to the article, but I lack any of the required knowledge to create a proper section. Rajrajmarley 21:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vulcans (Star Trek)

I've been an avid Star Trek fan for going on six years now and this is the first time I've heard it mentioned that Spock's Favorite drink was carrot juice.

I would be willing to accept this as canon as I've yet to see 'every' TOS episode.(That really stinks by the way) But the sentence that immediately follows it is this:

"Leading scientists say that there is a 18% chance that Spock was gay."

Though I personally would love for this to be true, I don't think it is... Can anyone give cite/credit to this statement, or offer proof that this is true?

If you can I will be eternally grateful, and so will the thousands of slash fans. And If not could you please fix it or I'll fix it if it's not true because I nearly had an aneurism of happiness for the 2.3 seconds I thought it was true.

Thank you. --Herbsandlemons 12:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's obviously vandalism. Chris Cunningham 14:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean vandalism? Like someone edited the page just to be mean and/or mess with the fans?--Herbsandlemons 14:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Sadly all-too-common on Wikipedia. Chris Cunningham 15:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Spock

I do not mean to mock Spock, but I think we should replace the image with a pure Vulcan. I know that his characteristics are representitive of the vulcan race, but he's half human. Maybe Tuvok would be better. Supernerd 10 12:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Never mind I've replaced it with T'pol.

I don't think that is right. He is the most famous vulcan of any sort- anyone could recognize him. It is really racial discrimination to say that he is not vulcan enough just because he is only half vulcan. I have replaced the image and caption with Spock. --K1000 01:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Rhinoceros

"Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry said in a 1968 interview that the idea behind pon farr was inspired by African rhinoceros' alleged mating practices, wherein a female of the species dies once every five years after mating with the entire male herd population."

What? They die every five years? Someone please confirm or delete this! Cratylus3 03:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Still there, still baffling readers. (I'd change it myself, but I have no idea what the intended meaning of the sentence is either.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.121.229 (talk) 03:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Dissolution of the High Command ?

The article claims that the Vulcan High Command was dissolved following the discovery of the Kir'Shara by Jonathan Archer. However, I don't think the High Command as an institution ceased to exist as there are canonical references thereto in other Trek series that take place in the future (23rd century). Maybe, it was just V'Las' High Command that was disbanded, not the High Command per se. 161.24.19.82 11:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Origins

We must remove all Return to Tomorrow references placing Sargon’s people as settlers of Vulcan. The Chase reveals this planet’s true biological origins. (154.5.194.215 01:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC))

Why couldn't Sargon's people have settled Vulcan? The seeding by the humanoids took place billions of years before Sargon's people were traveling space. They could have been resulted from the seeding, and Vulcan was uninhabited until it was colonized by Sargon's people. 153.2.246.30 (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Vulcan First Contact?

The following line from the article confuses me.

In 1930, Spock of Vulcan was one of three Starfleet officers from the 23rd century who travelled back in time to New York City, in the original series episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". To date, this is the earliest confirmed contact between humans and Vulcans, although in the Vulcan timeline it occurred long after First Contact.

If it refers to Vulcan first contact with humans, what does it mean that "City of the Edge of Forever" occurs long after?

If it refers to Vulcan first contact with some other race, what is that? Tpellman 14:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a blob of OR; I'll delete it. --EEMeltonIV 14:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Borg, Worf (a Klingon) and Deanna Troi (half human half Betazoid) all encountered humans before the Vulcans, in Star Trek: First Contact. The Vulcans did not make an appearance until the end of the film by which time several human characters including Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane had interactions with Worf, the Borg and Deanna Troi. It is slightly ironic that the film was called first contact, when in reality according to the above comments it was probably about the 3rd or 4th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.124.16.28 (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Surak as Founder?

Surak was the founder of the modern philosphy but not the world, so why is he listed as their founder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.212.175 (talk) 02:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. It makes no sense. There were, of course, Vulcans before Surak; he merely founded the philosophy which was later embraced by almost all Vulcans. I'm removing it from the article. Aridd (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Vulcan Salute

I have noticed that it does not show the actual Vulcan salute, it shows the inspiration for it but does not show the salute. Here is a good picture to look at for an idea of how the Vulcan salute should look:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/556301623_0ff0c25c4f_m.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by RBugz (talk • contribs) 00:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Vulcan Diet

There is currently a line that reads "Vulcans are vegetarians, though they are known to consume seafood and were omnivores in ages past." I know about the previous omnivorous diet, but where in any canon does a vulcan eat fish? By definition (look at the appropriate wikipedia page for example), vegetarians do not eat fish (the "pesca-vegetarian" is not a form of vegetarian, it translates to "I would be a vegetarian, except I'm not because I eat fish"). So: do vulcans eat fish? I'm guessing the answer is "no" (at least for most ENT and onward vulcans), but if the answer is "yes," how do we best deal with the inaccurate use of the word "vegetarian" in cannon? Msheskin (talk) 08:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Jumbo Vulcan mollusks, best served when sauteed in "Rhombolian butter," are mentioned in DS9 "Melora." The Last Unicorn RPG supplement on Vulcans explains this discrepancy by stating that not all Vulcans are vegetarian, but most make that culinary decision, and almost none eat red meat. For a real-world parallel, I have read in the Brittanica that there are many Hindus who eat meat, as well.153.2.246.30 (talk) 23:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

As far as I recall, we're never shown Vulcans eating seafood. Contrariwise, it is repeatedly stated that Vulcans are vegetarians. The fact that animals from the planet Vulcan may be eaten by other species does not make Vulcans non-vegetarian. Aridd (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Surak and the Romulans

According to Enterprise episodes "The Forge" and "Awakening", the group who called themselves "those who march under the Raptors Wing" rejected Surak ideals and launched a nuclear war of which Surak himself became a victim. It dose not take too much imagination to figure out "those who march under the Raptors Wing" went on to become the Romulans so I have slightly rewritten the history section that deals with Surak and the Romaulans, before it said that the Romulans never rejected logic and may have had Suraks blessing, which was not the case. Starzaz (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge in Vulcan customs articles

Resolved

Both of these articles appear to have very limited notabilty, and would be safer here, and also would strengthen this article in a summarize form. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I just discovered the Vulcan IDIC article, and I strongly agree that it should be merged into this one. It seems to me to have little notability even within Star Trek itself, let alone in the real world - and as such, if left unmerged, risks deletion under the fiction guidelines sooner or later. Merging into this article would be the better solution. Terraxos (talk) 00:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

mind meld

What does "meld" mean? Might it actually be "melt"? After all, it is some kind of fusion when going together with someone else's thoughts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.200.110 (talk) 23:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

To meld is to merge, blend. It is the word used in Star Trek and it is correct.KenCribbs (talk) 17:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I second the correctness of 'meld'.Eleven even (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I third the correctness of 'meld'. Xyzzy529 (talk) 20:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Now I come fourth on that. Ha! There is in fact a whole documentary titled Mind Meld on Star Trek by Peter Jaysen. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 14:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge in Vulcan High command

It is very short, and would make this article more comprehensive and eliminate a stubby article that will probably stay that way. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, merge it in. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 03:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support Merge - While the Vulcan page is getting to be an informative page with a fair amount of information, the Vulcan high command page is very short. I suspect that we will get a fair amount of new information when the new movie comes out next May. At that time perhaps it will be worth splitting off some sections into their own pages. Ched Davis (talk) 01:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
• Support Merge - and while we are at it, maybe add a few hundred or so citations to the resulting melange. Seriously, the article needs citations. No, really - I am not kidding. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 02:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
• 'Support Merge' - it can always be spun-out later if it would grow to any measurable length. — Ched (talk) 23:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

hmmm ... seems I commented 2 months ago ... sorry, forgot my memory pills this morning. ;) — Ched (talk) 23:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging in the planet Vulcan article, as per other Star Trek articles. It doesn't really say much of note, here it can be guaranteed to be safe from deletion and add to the main article on Vulcans. Alastairward (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

• suppoert on condition it is put in a good place.  rdunnPLIB  10:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

As long as a search of "Vulcan (planet)" redirects directly to the section in this article, (and with no large changes of the original article itself) i'm fine with it. SincerelySubzerosmokerain (talk) 03:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Citation for use

• John Walsh (2009-04-23). "The Vulcan way: How to live long and prosper". The Independent.

Absolutely fantastic and in-depth beginners' guide on Vulcans: one could rewrite, trim and source the whole article just based on this! Alientraveller (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree! - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

copper-based blood

Someone has marked "due to Vulcans' copper-based blood." as [citation needed] Is this really relevant to a fictional race? Unless someone objects I will remove the tag Mtpaley (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Pretty odd. I think it was actually mentioned in at least one ep of TOS. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 03:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Life span

no where in here is the life span of the vulcan. --196.207.35.246 (talk) 10:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding uncited info

We are getting a lot of uncited - or poorly-cited - info being added to the article. We are getting definitions as to how long Vulcans live, the definitions/translations from the fictional language Vulcan. While we teeter dangerously close to in-universe writing, I am going to have to insist that we include only those bits of information that can be cited to secondary sources. This means we do not cite previous episodes for our intuitive/interpretive leaps. There have literally been hundreds of books published about every aspect of Star Trek. Surely someone can take a moment and do some research, find a solid-enough citation for use. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)